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On September 25 2012 00:31 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 00:26 HiroPro wrote:
Ok guys. I seriously don't understand what you're doing. I made a great case and none of you are actually reading it.
Let me put it this way to you. Serial killers have 1 KP. Mafia teams have 1 KP. How many people do you need to kill in order to get rid of the serial killer? Only 1. How many people do you need to kill in order to get rid of mafia? 2.
SO WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING THE SERIAL KILLER MARV!!!
Ok, while I don't believe marv to be the serial killer, the logic seems sound. Am I missing something why we should kill scum first before serial killer if we were equally sure/suspicious of them?
If the Serial Killer exists, we have no idea who he is. So it's beating a dead horse. Stop talking to Hiro and do other productive stuff.
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BL, stop talking to Hiro please.
That goes to absolutely everyone else. You are letting him derail the thread and by talking to him you are helping him fulfil his objectives.
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No, it's either 3-1 or 3-0 Mementoss. It won't be 2-1.
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On September 25 2012 00:59 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 00:57 marvellosity wrote:
No, it's either 3-1 or 3-0 Mementoss. It won't be 2-1. Wat how does that balance, 1 extra scum, double the KP. Same amount of players? :S
because SK is neither pro town nor pro mafia.
In other words, if mafia is winning, SK wants to hit scum. With two masons + JK + vigi, 2 scum setup is basically impossible.
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Just as a placeholder thought, more as a reminder to myself so I don't forget later:
when I made my original case on Hiro day 1, Ange was dead set on prplhz over Hiro at the time, for reasons that I thought to myself should make Hiro more likely scum than prplhz. I think there may even be a little back and forth day 1 where I pushed her on this. Food for thought.
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On September 25 2012 01:20 marvellosity wrote:
Just as a placeholder thought, more as a reminder to myself so I don't forget later:
when I made my original case on Hiro day 1, Ange was dead set on prplhz over Hiro at the time, for reasons that I thought to myself should make Hiro more likely scum than prplhz. I think there may even be a little back and forth day 1 where I pushed her on this. Food for thought.
Because I'm obsessed with fucking mafia, I went ahead and dug into this right now. When people are looking at this themselves, pay attention in filters/whatever to timestamps.
On September 18 2012 23:54 Ange777 wrote:
@marv:
I don't remember if I've played with Hiro (probably not). Is there some meta play I should be aware of? Otherwise I can't understand why you are pushing a HiroPro lynch when I feel like prplhz is far more scummy.
On September 19 2012 00:35 Ange777 wrote:
@marv: I am far more comfortable lynching someone I have a scum read on (prplhz) than a semi-lurker (HiroPro). Especially as I feel that his posting is exactly the same as GSL Open.
Why is prplhz scummy? From what I gather from Ange's filter, it's mostly because he hasn't scumhunted. Thus:
On September 18 2012 17:26 Ange777 wrote:Ok, after reading the thread there are a few matters which strike me. prplhz
Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:On September 18 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, you literally stopped posting when I posted the case on you, so there's that. Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down. I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy. As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in. Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.
austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now. Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him. marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game. We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more. Actually I am not that sold on the effort in scum hunting he has done. I was equally suspicious of his first post as the last game I played with him had the exact same kind of starting post. After having defended himself against Blazinghand's case he proceeded to give us 3 town reads and stated that he is suspicious of marv due to the lack of posts. The case generated so much discussion that I find it unlikely that all he gained from it was town reads. Where are your scum reads? @Blazinghand: I liked his explanation for the starting post as well but your case was not just based on the starting post but on his lack of activity/scum hunting as well. So why switch off of him? It seems like an easy way to change your vote even though he has not delivered what you were asking from him: scum hunting.
On September 18 2012 22:01 Ange777 wrote:@prplhz: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.
Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.
@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?
List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity. What makes you think my play is terrible? And why does thinking the Kenpachi/Zephirdd Rule is bullshit entitle you to just ignore cases? Just because someone posts bullshit does not mean that it can't help you uncover scum. Again I don't see any kind of scum hunting from you. Scum?
A lack of scumhunting, right. The problem is this: up to that point, Hiro had literally not done any scumhunting whatsoever, and Ange is dismissing it as a "semi-lurker lynch":
On September 19 2012 00:35 Ange777 wrote:
@marv: I am far more comfortable lynching someone I have a scum read on (prplhz) than a semi-lurker (HiroPro). Especially as I feel that his posting is exactly the same as GSL Open.
What prplhz had provided though, is this following post:
On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, you literally stopped posting when I posted the case on you, so there's that. Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down. I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy. As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in. Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.
austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now. Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him. marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game. We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more.
Hiro had not even provided this. So we're left with the situation where Ange is pushing prplhz because he's far "scummier" than Hiro, based on the fact that prplhz hasn't scumhunted. HiroPro is only a "semi-lurker" despite the fact he had done absolutely no scumhunting himself and hadn't even provided a post like the one prplhz had above.
I think Ange is the final scum.
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Now I've done my scumhunting bit:
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well, I will still be sexy. That's flip-independent.
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On September 25 2012 04:16 HiroPro wrote:
Don't be fooled by the pictures, guys! He did it only under pressure from me so it doesn't really count. And if you look carefully he's holding a knife, so he's subconsciously indicating that he's a serial killer!
Ah, I see you take issue with the knife. Not the "Hiro is scum" bit. <3
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Guys, don't get lazy. Comment on what I had to say about Ange.
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On September 25 2012 21:47 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 20:22 marvellosity wrote:
Guys, don't get lazy. Comment on what I had to say about Ange. Well it kind of hinges on how much she looked at hiro those first days. I could see a scenario where she didn't take that hard of a look as town. From my own perspective players come and go from my radar so maybe hiro wasen't on her radar and she didn't consider him that much.
the difference is that i pushed her on why prplhz and not Hiro
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On September 25 2012 22:30 Ange777 wrote:
The difference is that prplhz has posted things which made him scummy in my opinion while Hiro had not posted things which made him scummy in your opinion. We had totally different arguments and view points in this matter. Usually I try to refrain from reading to much into day 1 activity because it is only day 1 and it's not always accurate to judge people from their day 1 activity.
Actually Day 1 is arguably the most important day, imo.
What was specifically scummy about prplhz? I mean, I pulled up the quotes and your main argument was that he wasn't scumhunting. What else?
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On September 25 2012 22:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 22:30 Ange777 wrote:
The difference is that prplhz has posted things which made him scummy in my opinion while Hiro had not posted things which made him scummy in your opinion. We had totally different arguments and view points in this matter. Usually I try to refrain from reading to much into day 1 activity because it is only day 1 and it's not always accurate to judge people from their day 1 activity.
Actually Day 1 is arguably the most important day, imo. What was specifically scummy about prplhz? I mean, I pulled up the quotes and your main argument was that he wasn't scumhunting. What else?
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On September 25 2012 22:36 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 22:33 marvellosity wrote:On September 25 2012 22:31 marvellosity wrote:On September 25 2012 22:30 Ange777 wrote:
The difference is that prplhz has posted things which made him scummy in my opinion while Hiro had not posted things which made him scummy in your opinion. We had totally different arguments and view points in this matter. Usually I try to refrain from reading to much into day 1 activity because it is only day 1 and it's not always accurate to judge people from their day 1 activity.
Actually Day 1 is arguably the most important day, imo. What was specifically scummy about prplhz? I mean, I pulled up the quotes and your main argument was that he wasn't scumhunting. What else? Why is day 1 the most important day? Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:28 Ange777 wrote:
prplhz' two pages filter contains a lot of fluff and useless stuff. He has not made much effort in scum-hunting, just some occasionally prodding. He gives himself excuses for not reading the thread closely. His case on marv is really weak. And he is already back-paddling from said case. Scum.
Right, that quote was from a day later than when I was pushing you on prplhz/Hiro differences, before prplhz had made the case on me.
At the time the only differences were that... prplhz had posted a bit more than Hiro? There had been no scumhunting from either of them, and indeed as in my post last page, at least prplhz had made a post with thoughts on players.
Day 1 is important because you can pick up on interactions with players that are made before the game has been steered down a certain course.
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When had he done that by the time stated?
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ok, that adds up a bit better. we could beat around that bush for ages 
I guess most of all I want to know who you want to lynch and exactly why (apart from Hiro ofc :D)
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well, if Hiro doesn't flip scum there's gonna be some post-game talk about playing to win-cons.
about zeph... gonna wait until after the flip when we have more info
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well, this is going rather well, if i do say so myself
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On September 26 2012 07:19 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 07:17 marvellosity wrote:
well, this is going rather well, if i do say so myself your going to die according to hiro so leave a nice death note plz
I have lots of thoughts.
What I really want from everyone during this night phase is everyone's best efforts in finding the final scum, and discussing why they think their read is the final scum.
I want you guys as much as possible to do this before I die tonight, so I'm around to talk about it with you, as obviously it'll affect my deadline post too.
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On September 26 2012 10:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Moar unconfirmed townies need to post. Still waiting on Zeph, Bluelightz, and Ange.
I'll get to my reads sometime tonight (or tomorrow), but my voting decisions tomorrow will be heavily influenced by how willing unconfirmed townies are to provide original analysis.
Also: @ Ange
What's with your activity level? You're much more active in your other town games, and you mentioned you'd be more available after the weekend.
Yeah, cmon guys :<
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