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On September 19 2012 01:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote:On September 19 2012 01:33 prplhz wrote:On September 19 2012 01:32 marvellosity wrote:
why do GK and Palmar look town to you, then? Well, goodkarma looks town because he was putting effort into his posts and because he was pushing the right agendas and because he replaced out (sorry, but town replaces out 10 times more than scum). Palmar is looking interested in this game and that's good enough for me for now. You will agree with me that HiroPro's case is not exactly overly convincing. No, it's not convincing, but I found his point about throwing a bunch of new candidates into an already divided town pretty decent. I disagree on GK for the reason I outlined earlier. Do you honestly think that this is a valid point? Should I just hold back my opinions because they don't match what's already going on? screw this, marv is scum. I'll prove it later ##vote marvellosity
nor that
On September 19 2012 01:53 marvellosity wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
fuck you
is a solid and well written case. I don't like Palmar presenting us this complete list without any kind of explanation. No one said anything about holding back your scum reads. But you need to back them up with reasons and evidence. At the same time marv's OMGUS vote is plain stupid. If you are town you should stop this. If you seriously think the other is scum present a case.
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On September 19 2012 03:53 Hapahauli wrote:Let's not get carried away on the marv thing yet (@ prplhz). I'm generally very hesitant when lynching vets unless there's a really good case against them. I still need some answers, namely... @ MarvShow nested quote +Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you being fairly critical of the town in DN Mini mafia for wanting to lynch Palmar D1. Also, are you voting Palmar because you think he's scum? It looks to me like you're using it as an insult as opposed to voting for scum.
that's not a question, that's a stupid statement
care to tell me how troll Palmar who made one post in Death Note is the same as retard Palmer in Rock Band who comes into the thread pointing fingers in an unsubstantiated fashion?
Still, I think Palmar might just be awful this game.
prplhz jumping on my vote, however, is scummy as shit.
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believe it or not from my previous post, exercising has calmed me down.
So
##Unvote
##vote: prplhz
Scumhunt or die like a squirmy thing that squirms. Don't want your stupid townlists that don't help anything or "lol nice catch I'm gonna vote this with no other reasoning".
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On September 19 2012 04:24 Ange777 wrote:
At the same time marv's OMGUS vote is plain stupid. If you are town you should stop this. If you seriously think the other is scum present a case.
Lecturing me has a provenly high success rate of altering how I play.
By 'provenly high' I mean absolutely zero. If you think I'm scum, vote me, if you don't, don't tell me how to play. And I mean this as politely as possible.
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@prplhz:
Where is your scum hunting?
You have failed to give a reason as for why you'd like to lynch me.
On September 19 2012 01:08 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 00:22 Palmar wrote:
prplhz you useless sack of shit, get in thread.
Do you want to kill marv? austin? Hiro? give me something. I don't really know. Contrary to popular beliefs, being the centre of attention for a little while doesn't entail a plentitude of scum reads. I guess I want to kill Ange777 but I don't really know why. The day is young though. I'm curious about your austinmcc read I felt that this post was pretty townie it seems like he's putting some thought into the game about my alignment. What you think? You seem to be pretty sure of him being scum and I was too until that post so I'm wondering what changed my mind but didn't change yours.
You have shut down any discussion regarding Palmar's alignment.
On September 19 2012 01:23 prplhz wrote:
HiroPro we're not lynching Palmar on day1 on anything other than a scum claim end of story. I'm sure you can see why so find something else to do with your time.
You have given another wonderful green townie list.
On September 19 2012 02:16 prplhz wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to post a townie list! Green for emphasis!
prplhz
Blazinghand
Palmar
iamperfection
Hapahauli
Mementoss
Gonna go read more filters.
And you have successfully jumped on marv's bandwaggon.
On September 19 2012 02:26 prplhz wrote:
hapa too good
##Vote marvellosity
Which by the way seems to be based on a ridiculous reason. He had his suspicions about Hiro because of the lack of content not because of suspicious content. So what's wrong with considering Hiro's statement?
Instead of finding scum by yourself you have others do the work for you. That's scum motivation.
##Vote: prplhz
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Ange, dear, what do you make of Hapa's point in the first place?
Like, Hapa is a clever fellow. The line of reasoning he proposed - "you think he's scum therefore why would you consider what he has to say" seems really off to me. Not quite as off as prplhz agreeing with it mind, but off nonetheless.
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On September 19 2012 04:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 04:24 Ange777 wrote:
At the same time marv's OMGUS vote is plain stupid. If you are town you should stop this. If you seriously think the other is scum present a case.
Lecturing me has a provenly high success rate of altering how I play. By 'provenly high' I mean absolutely zero. If you think I'm scum, vote me, if you don't, don't tell me how to play. And I mean this as politely as possible.
I'll keep that in mind.
As to hapa, I think he asked this question because you were voting Palmar and he doesn't want to lynch a vet right now. Not because he thinks that your reasoning was wrong.
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EBWOP:
I read his post with the emphasize on the bold part.
On September 19 2012 02:25 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv
-snip-
Why do you find Hiro's point compelling if you think he's mafia? You had your vote firmly on him at this point, and I don't understand why you'd be all of a sudden so willing to listen to, what appears to me as a weak observation about Palmar?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you being fairly critical of the town in DN Mini mafia for wanting to lynch Palmar D1.
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On September 19 2012 01:37 HiroPro wrote:
perfection, I'd like to hear what you think about my point on hapahauli.
Let's not get carried away on the marv thing yet (@ prplhz). I'm generally very hesitant when lynching vets unless there's a really good case against them. I still need some answers, namely...
Is this something that hapa normally feels? I remember him voting for Palmar in DN for no other reason than that Palmar was trolling.
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HiroPro, as I'm feeling lazy, can you dig out actual quotes with timestamps re: the Mementoss/Hapa early voting shenannies? Otherwise I'll have to do it myself and that makes me sad
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On September 19 2012 05:03 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 01:37 HiroPro wrote:
perfection, I'd like to hear what you think about my point on hapahauli.
Show nested quote +Let's not get carried away on the marv thing yet (@ prplhz). I'm generally very hesitant when lynching vets unless there's a really good case against them. I still need some answers, namely... Is this something that hapa normally feels? I remember him voting for Palmar in DN for no other reason than that Palmar was trolling.
lol nice catch
On September 01 2012 08:56 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Palmar
He's the only guy who's been useless and isn't heading for a modkill.
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marv:
The entire thing:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:56 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I read it. It seems like you played with him alot and can really differentiate between his scum and town. It's not the most for sure case of all time, but the post felt scummy to me as soon as I read it and even moreso when I realized he hosted a game with MKfuba in it. He's the scummiest player so far. Iamperfection seems like noobie, why would mafia out themselves like that, also I think he is bitter because of his history with marv. ##vote: prplhzBlazinghand what do you think of hapa immediately coming to prplhz defence? + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:Hai gais! Good to be back in a mini so I can actually keep track of people more closely =) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874You hosted a game he was in. More MKFUBA games if you want + Show Spoiler + Prplhz isn't exactly the most attentive host... I was in that game, and he basically forgot to make the last nightpost for a couple of hours. I wouldn't expect him to remember half the players in that game tbh =P Also what do you think of this clear contradiction from prplhz: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? On September 18 2012 06:08 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 Mementoss wrote:
I think day one should be discussing what da bands name is gunna be name my band ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8f6HH.png) On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. On September 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote:Alas! Austinmcc is at work so we won't be hearing from him for a while. One other post did catch my eye though: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. 1 It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. 2 If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. 3 But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic: 1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier! 2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?) 3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him) 4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc. On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote:Alas! Austinmcc is at work so we won't be hearing from him for a while. One other post did catch my eye though: On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. 1 It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. 2 If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. 3 But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic: 1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier! 2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?) 3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him) 4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc. 1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy? 2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day. 3) Nothing to do with one another. 4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy. I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol. On September 18 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote:##Unvote@ Austinmcc - Well posted and thanks for explaining your rationale. Enough for me to take the vote off for now. @ mmtoss - Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote:Alas! Austinmcc is at work so we won't be hearing from him for a while. One other post did catch my eye though: On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. 1 It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. 2 If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. 3 But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic: 1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier! 2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?) 3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him) 4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc. 1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy? 2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day. 3) Nothing to do with one another. 4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy. I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol. Point 1) is fine alone. It's the rest of your post that starts spiraling. Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it. Point 4 is a red flag for me in that you are soft-pushing suspicion on him. For reference: Show nested quote +But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Dayyyyum son. ##Vote mementoss
The important part:
On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss
On September 18 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote:##Unvote@ Austinmcc - Well posted and thanks for explaining your rationale. Enough for me to take the vote off for now. @ mmtoss - Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote:Alas! Austinmcc is at work so we won't be hearing from him for a while. One other post did catch my eye though: On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. 1 It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. 2 If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. 3 But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic: 1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier! 2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?) 3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him) 4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc. 1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy? 2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day. 3) Nothing to do with one another. 4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy. I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol. Point 1) is fine alone. It's the rest of your post that starts spiraling. Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it. Point 4 is a red flag for me in that you are soft-pushing suspicion on him. For reference: Show nested quote +But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Dayyyyum son. ##Vote mementoss
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On September 19 2012 05:03 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 01:37 HiroPro wrote:
perfection, I'd like to hear what you think about my point on hapahauli.
Show nested quote +Let's not get carried away on the marv thing yet (@ prplhz). I'm generally very hesitant when lynching vets unless there's a really good case against them. I still need some answers, namely... Is this something that hapa normally feels? I remember him voting for Palmar in DN for no other reason than that Palmar was trolling.
You'll know that I got off my palmar vote in that game pretty quickly - you of all people should know this, because I spent the latter half of Day 1 in DN tunneling you.
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The fact is that you made the vote at all, Hapa.
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guys guys guys guys
hi.
guys, listen. Palmar trolls day 1. It's his way of avoiding being shot night 1(and works quite well on msome games). His play clearly shows his transparency and thoughts while reading the thread; He tells us exactly what he is thinking and who he feels to be good or bad. that's not scum palmar. Scum palmar comes into the thread and talk useless shit that have nothing to do with the game. When pressured, he throws a terrible case and goes into lurk mode. Here he is being active.
Going "I'll explain later" is reasonable for a vote, as long as he does it before the end of the day(preferably before the last 24 hours imo), and what should be suspicious is anyone that jumps into that vote.
I don't want to see a repeat of DN mini mafia. That was utterly ridiculous. Palmar is objectively horrible as scum, and he has not shown to be objectively horrible here in my opinion. So stop.
Also goddamnit prplhz is being useful right now. Gotta think a bit and reread.
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for the record, the game I'm referring is quite old but I don't remember anyone commenting that Palmar had changed his play since then. The game is Zona's Purgatory Mafia. He was shot by a town vigi.
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sorry, how has prplhz been useful in any way?
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On September 19 2012 04:39 marvellosity wrote:
Ange, dear, what do you make of Hapa's point in the first place?
Like, Hapa is a clever fellow. The line of reasoning he proposed - "you think he's scum therefore why would you consider what he has to say" seems really off to me. Not quite as off as prplhz agreeing with it mind, but off nonetheless.
How is it off? It can be scummy in a certain context, and your explanation makes sense enough.
What I have an issue with, is your completely off-the-wall stance on Palmar this game that you still have not answered for.
You have vocally made known your displeasure for voting Palmar in a previous game, saying it was a really stupid idea. Then all of a sudden you are more than willing to throw an OMGUS vote against Palmar for no sane reason I can think of. It's not even clear you did it because you thought he was mafia. Your rationale was based around that you think he's "awful" this game, and that Palmar somehow wouldn't get a D1 read wrong.
I think you're a much better player than this, which bothers me. Until I get a straight answer:
##Vote Marvellosity
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not sure, I've seen a few big posts and i thought that. will read and if i think he is scum i'll vote again. standard stuff
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On September 19 2012 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
The fact is that you made the vote at all, Hapa.
So what? I made a mistake that game and I've since learned from it. Lynching Palmar D1 is a bad idea. Problem is, you know that lynching Palmar D1 is a bad idea, and yet you voted him in pure OMGUS.
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