no post whatever you want. the thing that made me originally click on debears was when at some point you were talking about various mafia tells and one of them was that town people are suspicious of everything and mafia aren't. I don't know when exactly you said that but as I was reading one of the mafia guides I came across something similar... remembered what you had said.... then I went OH SHIT DEBEARS IS SCUM

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 26 2012 05:29 GMT

#1507

lol I recommend that everyone should have to read guides between their newbie games. I've noticed something happening in each of my games... there is often a dominating type of "scumhunting" that everyone in town starts using even tho it's not the best way. In this game it was talking about inconsistencies. (I did it a lot especially with arteides and remedy) But there is always something that somebody gets accused of... such as being defensive, having slight inconsistencies, and stuff like that which could be attributed to town or mafia. (especially since we're in newbie games) Once somebody makes a case saying "player X is scummy because he does Y" then another person makes the same type of accusation: "player Z is scummy because he does Y" and then the rest of the game is people searching for other people doing Y and everyone gets tunnel vision focusing on Y and they become oblivious to all the more reliable characteristics of mafia mentality. For mafia that's great. All you have to do is make cases based on people doing Y and it looks like you're scumhunting as well as anyone else... when in reality nobody is doing a great job of it.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 26 2012 06:06 GMT

#1510

lol it's happened in all my games. as the game progresses there is always one thing that people like to include in their cases more and more as the game continues until it reaches the point where reads get pretty awful. I guess it happens because A) everyone is a noob so they don't know exactly what to look for when catching scum and B) mafia pick up on it and start including it in their cases

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 26 2012 06:18 GMT

#1511

Hapa wanna guess how many pms I sent you? The answer is: + Show Spoiler +

Thanks for responding to those I know it must have been a lot of work. You may as well have played in this game for all the words you had to write about it.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 26 2012 14:07 GMT

#1540

I haven't read your post yet but I see that it's based on assumptions... I was expecting pure maths

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 26 2012 14:15 GMT

#1541

kush can flame me as much as he wants, it's part of our mutual meta

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 26 2012 14:18 GMT

#1543

yeah lol that's why I was so eager to see it... I was expecting some amazing game solving formula

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 26 2012 19:26 GMT

#1546

with me being sk and all, should I have claimed roleblock?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 26 2012 19:28 GMT

#1547

it wasn't something that I put very much thought into before I did it. I guess I was just wanting to get people's reactions to it

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 26 2012 21:13 GMT

#1549

? how could I claim being roleblocked earlier than like a minute after day post?

are you talking about the vig roleclaim? well while I was up for lynch my last shot options were to claim vig or sk. the vig claim seamed like it would be less believable than an sk claim, but if people did believe me than my chances at winning the game would be a lot higher than if I claimed sk. if I were to claim sk then I have no doubts that I wouldn't have been lynched.... but then I have to manipulate town in to keeping me around long enough, and I would also have to avoid being nk'd. scum are terrified of sk is what I'm thinking. I hadn't used my 1 kp protection yet but at that point in the game there were 3 mafia, and 4 town. So on the day I got lynched, I would have had to convince town to lynch debears (which I guess was a long shot because of killing's investigation check, and because of... sharky not seeming to care enough about the game in order to reevaluate his read on everything). From that point on I would have to not get nightkilled, while maintaining a close balance of mafia/town so that town would be scared to lynch me. I just really didn't see all that happening as sk. So I took the intitailly riskier choice of claiming vig but long term it was much safer imo.

The reason I did it so late was because it took me forever to make a decision on all that shit in the above paragraph, and I didn't want to roleclaim anyway because that's risky no matter what I claim.... and when I finally made a decision it took me so damn long to find my breadcrumb lol cuz my filter was ridiculous

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 27 2012 12:37 GMT

#1555

On September 27 2012 21:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
Our gamewinner, if only he was allowed to play:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548&currentpage=51#1003

At first I thought it was a smurf account of somebody in the game.... guess it was just some guy who really wanted to play in our newbie

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 27 2012 18:37 GMT

#1557

yea... he must have at least read enough of the thread to see sharrant talking about L-1 and then decided that nothing had happened over the next 20 pages