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15:00 GMT (+00:00) should be ok as well. 06:00 GMT (+00:00) or 07:00 GMT (+00:00) would be a bit troublesome as I would not always be able to post in the last 8-9 hours before deadline. | ||
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On September 05 2012 07:25 grush57 wrote: I think I made it? 18:25 EST right now but you guys keep changing times so idk. I think we are already full. Don't lynch marv! I like him <3 | ||
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Edit: Okay, apparentely not. I am confused :D I always read that as noon. | ||
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![]() Why isn't prlphz' vote an OMGUS? Basically I understood his post this way: Risen can't be seriously voting for me. Actually he is seriously voting for me. This is so bad. He gets my vote. (I don't get a different "feeling" from the other game linked.) I am not liking Risen's case on prlphz either. Both are equally stupid. @V7: Isn't Risen's first post standard fluff as well? My TL Mafia history: + Show Spoiler + Scum in Newbie Mini XII Town in Newbie Mini XV Town in TL Mafia LV Town in Newbie Mini XXII I had to leave Newbie Mini XV and TL Mafia LV earlier but I've officially used up my newbie games. | ||
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On September 06 2012 15:49 prplhz wrote: Uh, and then he back down and says that his first two posts were just to start discussion but they absolutely don't look like that to me. But they look like that to the others including me. | ||
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Anyway, Zeph's reasoning sounds more reasonable to me than V7's. I see Risen's first post as a common seen fluffy first post. | ||
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I don't know about Zeph. Has there been any real success with the (extended) Kenpachi rule? Anyway, Zeph's reasoning sounds more reasonable to me than V7's. I see Risen's first post as a common seen fluffy first post and therefore don't understand V7's vote. | ||
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On September 07 2012 01:04 Risen wrote: Hmm, I can't tell if Marvel is actually an upset towny (though why would he be, from an outsiders perspective look at all the juicy posting that has occured!) or scum trying to make the appearance of bussing me. I think I've only ever played with him as "scum", and he's always posted a lot less. He knows this, though, and he's a smart cookie. Is he posting more now BECAUSE he knows I'm in this game and since he's scum he can' tplay like he did, or is it b/c he's genuinely town? Verdict: WIFOM as fuck. At least with this much posting if he is scum it won't come down to something retarded like in Death Note (ITSMARVELBABYYY YEAHHHHH) You pointed it out earlier and I haven't seen a direct reply from Risen. Why would you say that as scum marv would appear to bus you? From town Risen's perspective scum marv would be happy to pile up more evidence on a Risen mislynch. | ||
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On September 07 2012 02:10 Keirathi wrote: I certainly had that thought. But in context it doesn't really make sense. You (marv) are trying to appear like you are bussing him (Risen)? Huh? I know! It's confusing. @Risen: Explanation please instead of deflecting. | ||
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@Risen: The more you post the less I am convinced of town motivation for your play. @Dirkzor: What exactly is it in Keir's play that you don't like? | ||
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On September 07 2012 03:03 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote no particular explanation right now than something feels wrong. What feels wrong? The case on Risen? Or Risen's defense? | ||
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How am I supposed to take this? And why does it feel like every second post you make has to have a reference to marv? | ||
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On September 07 2012 00:19 prplhz wrote: I can totally buy that and since Risen isn't going down today. ##Vote Keirathi You posted this within the first half of day 1 and switched your vote from Risen to Keir. Why? Though you explain that you believe your vote won't matter much if it stays on Risen, it probably won't matter much if it is on Keir as well at this very moment. Now that the Risen case has gained more momentum will you be switching your vote back to him? Your voting behaviour seems odd. | ||
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On September 07 2012 02:10 Risen wrote: Ange I think you're wrong in the bolded section. Marvel is sneaky as fuck. On September 07 2012 05:40 Risen wrote: However, if Risen is town and Marv is scum it IS the perfect opportunity for Marv to get a mislynch on Risen going. Maybe now that the wagon is going you've realized town will do the job for you? I doubt that, though, since there really isn't a wagon moving except by Keir/Dirk/prpl, and I'm not really scared of their votes since their actions have been so scummy. On September 07 2012 06:05 Risen wrote: Wait what doesn't make sense about it? If you were scum you'd use that as an opportunity to make an easy lynch. | ||
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On September 07 2012 05:05 prplhz wrote: Yea okay. marvellosity points out that Risen does a scumslip. This scumslip isn't just for Risen though, it also implicates marvellosity as well. Bussing requires two scum, not one. marvellosity realizes that if Risen is lynched it is only a matter of time before someone figures this out and so he backs off. His backing off is also weird, it's allegedly because the lynch gained momentum but he doesn't say this before he is called out, he just says "I have my reasons but I'm not going to explain" and then the explanation is like, 10 words long. I don't like this one bit and I'd rather lynch Risen and then we can talk about marvellosity tomorrow. ##Vote Risen Is this the only reason why you are voting Risen over Keir? The alleged scumslip was that stupid that most of us have brushed it off as a misunderstanding about the term bussing. I am really not a big fan of Risen, especially as he has contradicted himself more than once and has yet to provide a satisfying response to my last question but I am not convinced by you either. First you unvote Risen who was tied in votes with you to vote Keir. I still don't get the need to vote for Keir and I especially don't understand why you would have to switch your vote this early in day 1. (It really did nothing!) I know you'll say it was simply a pressure vote as the Risen case didn't get much consent. But I don't think you have done much to get that consent. If we look through your posts around that time it's a lot of discussion with Risen about who made the "real" OMGUS vote and then suddenly a vote switch. Why? You have plenty of time to convince people of your scum read. But no, you don't. Instead you jump back on Risen once people have done that job for you. Scummy! | ||
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Why not lynch prplhz? | ||
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And what do you make of Bluelightz? He gave some reads and has not posted since popping into the thread 3 hours ago. | ||
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I know but at least we can hold him respon sible for this stance at some point. Bluelightz however with his weak and wishy-washy reads is more scummy to me than Zeph right now. | ||
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On September 07 2012 22:05 Dirkzor wrote: I'm pretty sure BL is town. Based on what? Meta? | ||
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On September 08 2012 00:14 Risen wrote: Ange I just meant now that there's people on me, a scum Marv would hop off me for that tasty town cred. No. He was early enough on you to avoid direct suspicions for voting you if he had not switched away from you. It's his unvote that actually made him scummy. You don't even explain the contradiction in your post. First you claim that I am wrong in my assumption that marv would try to pile evidence on a town Risen mislynch as he is "sneaky as fuck". You say that he stays away from your case to get more town cred when you flip green. On September 07 2012 02:10 Risen wrote: Ange I think you're wrong in the bolded section. Marvel is sneaky as fuck. But then you stay this: On September 07 2012 05:40 Risen wrote: However, if Risen is town and Marv is scum it IS the perfect opportunity for Marv to get a mislynch on Risen going. Maybe now that the wagon is going you've realized town will do the job for you? I doubt that, though, since there really isn't a wagon moving except by Keir/Dirk/prpl, and I'm not really scared of their votes since their actions have been so scummy. On September 07 2012 06:05 Risen wrote: Wait what doesn't make sense about it? If you were scum you'd use that as an opportunity to make an easy lynch. Now the case on you is the perfect opportunity for marv to get a mislynch on you going. Scum squirming while explaining himself? As people have pointed out prplhz plays according to his town meta, I am willing to lynch Risen first and observe prplhz' play for another cycle. ##Vote Risen @Bluelightz: Someone else pointed it out already. What's the matter with your vote on V7??? You are voting your null read who had not posted in the time between your read and your vote? Why not vote for marv who was at least a slight scum read for you??? | ||
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Keir: town read marv: scum read Zeph: town read V7: null read On September 07 2012 21:56 Bluelightz wrote: My promise from yesterday: Keirathi: I think he's town, he's been tunneling Risen, but is persistent to his read (which I think is townie because he doesn't take the easy way of voting and makes a case and defends it), he also defends himself when accused by marv. I have an odd feeling on marv, meta check! Scum marv (NMMII) This game's marv Do you guys see a similarity?I think I do, when I look at his post's, they are: one-liners!, some useless, some pointing out x,y or z. Particularly, his post's don't have much content (or do they :O?), his stances, are understandable, but we don't know why: See the stance? yes, see why? no. (Marv could you explain please?) marvellosity: Odd feeling he might be scum, filter's look the same, but i'd see if he dies N1 or not (Sorry marv, it's normal nao ![]() My final stance on v7/Zeph: Zeph: Townie v7: Still null. Why? v7: He believes Risen IS scum, he has posted mostly (all) about him, but he has not posted about anything else. Zeph: How he was very open, how he provided information willingly as soon as Death Note ended, I consider townie. | ||
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On September 08 2012 03:18 Dirkzor wrote: You have done so many things that are either useless or slightly scummy for me to feel very good about lynching you. If you are town (which I hope you are not) you have still done your duty as town and have made people react and thus we can use that information going forward. If you take the complete quote, it makes sense and shouldn't be taken as a scumslip. | ||
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What kind of questions were you expecting? Talking about your play should wait for the post-game discussion right? + Show Spoiler + Or where you expecting questions like what's your favorite kind of ice cream? ![]() | ||
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On September 08 2012 04:31 Risen wrote: You're probably right. I was expecting people to go through and ask questions about my play. I'd respond by saying what I was thinking at the time. By doing this people would actually read the thread and realize I'm town b/c I can respond to any "contradiction" posted in this thread, and have, to show that there are no contradictions. People still harp on it, though, b/c they're too lazy to actually read the thread. That's why v7's claim of having read through the entire thread rings really, REALLY hollow to me. I doubt he did, or if he did he skimmed it. So either lazy town or scum claiming lazy town. Post-game discussion from me will revolve around how atrocious town is, and how awesome scum is for relying on a lazy town (or rather, how sad it is that a scum team can rely on town to be lazy) As for favorite ice cream? Tie. Mint chocolate chip or cookie dough for sure. Damn that sounds tasty. In case you didn't get it from that, I'm town. We'll see what excuses derp townies come up with to excuse how bad they are. So what made you contradict yourself regarding marv? Or are you simply too lazy to answer questions directed at you? | ||
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And you are changing your mind about your top scum read all the time. I don't think there is anything wrong with having several scum reads, but you can't just go on and completely change your mind in 2-3 hours without explanation! Especially as there haven't really been any posts by marv which might have changed your top scum read. On September 08 2012 02:24 Risen wrote: Dirk is my strongest scum read. zeph follows for asking me for my thoughts in chronological order, then when I do give them in chronological order he calls me out for being inconsistent? My first sentence states why I made my first post, my second sentence states why I felt he was scum. My opinion on prpl has since changed due to the possibility that he's just lazy town (and so much scummier stuff from other people) Marv is number three. He knows I'm trying to change, it's the reason I hydra'd with him. I've complained in Skype with him how I hate having to be rage Risen every game bc that's my "meta". He knows this, why is he calling me on meta? It's so simple. He doesn't point to anything else in his vote post, just meta. He's calling me out for changing my mind. So I should stay on one person even when someone else comes along and I find them more scummy? That's silly. Mary is really smart, if he's alive day 3 lynch him. On September 08 2012 05:08 Risen wrote: I was ok when it was just 4 on me, two of which could be scum. Now that there's like what... 6? It just means there's idiots voting for me who can't back up their shit. Marvel is not this bad. Marvel is not this bad. Marvel is scum. Marvel is scum. Lynch him tomorrow. Lynch him tomorrow. Lynch him tomorrow. Lynch Marvel tomorrow. Lynch Marvel tomorrow. Lynch him tomorrow. I'm convinced the rest of you are just horrible. I KNOW Marvel isn't horrible. Marvel is scum. Lynch Marvel. Don't let him weasel his way out of this, he's good at that. Lynch him. | ||
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On September 08 2012 05:32 Risen wrote: Anything else Ange? I swear I already told you somewhere that there is no contradiction there. Why are you asking again? The contradiction is the following. First you say that marv wouldn't just go on and try to push for a town Risen mislynch. A few hours later you accuse marv of doing the exact same thing. No explanation. Why denying the possibility of this theory in the first place when you are going to pick it up later yourself? And what made you change your mind? | ||
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![]() I said I can understand his frustration because partially people were accusing him based on his starting post which I have stated more than once seems like a normal fluff post to me. I did vote for him as well but not because of that post. On September 08 2012 06:06 Risen wrote: Lynch order: Marv > Dirk > Zeph > Keir > prpl. Pray you guys hit scum sometime in those first three or it's just over anyways. So this is the lynch order Risen has suggested. Out of his list there are a few players I have my suspicions about. One of them is: Zeph Zeph initially started off with a defense of Risen based on meta. When re-reading his case and vote on Risen there is something odd which didn't trigger any bells earlier as I was too preoccupied with Risen's own posts to notice this. On September 08 2012 01:45 Zephirdd wrote: First time he actually calls prplhz being scum(without actually saying that directly to him) which was after my post. Point: He thinks prplhz is scum. He still thinks prplhz is scum Wait a second. I asked you to tell us why did you think he was scum chronologically, which is the moment you first thought he was scum, why was that. But you never actually thought he was scum? Secondly, he was the scummiest guy in the thread!? I mean, I don't know about you, but the moment I think someone is scummy, is the moment I think someone is scum. There are varying degrees, but that's how it works. If he was the scummiest, how was he NOT scum? What so he is scummy. IS HE SCUM OR NOT RISEN? DO YOU THINK HE IS SCUM OR NOT, AND WHY? (that was a rhetorical question btw) -snip- ##unvote ##vote Risen HAMMER THAT There is anything wrong with calling someone the scummiest guy in the thread and not being 100% sure if he is scum or not. Especially this early into a game when we only have a handful of posts to judge the alignments of every single player. Yet you paint it as if Risen had contradicted himself. I can see no contradiction in his posting regarding prplhz. Going for an early pressure vote, you can't sound weak or people will not take the pressure seriously. So there is nothing wrong with calling someone scum directly and than when having to clarify stating that he was the scummiest player at that time. While Keir was following the same line of thought in his own case previously, I feel a town vibe from his posts given the fact that Keir was posting actively and was discussing the said case with Risen. Zeph however only sheeped Keir's case without adding anything substantial of his own. And he only voted when it was pretty sure that Risen was set to be lynched. Now Zeph is taking an easy way out with this post: On September 08 2012 12:53 Zephirdd wrote: In two days I should have some clear reads on players though, making sure who is on whose's side. I'll start with bluelightz - I won't let you get away. Why does it take you two days to get more reads? As long as we actively hunt for scum there will be discussion in this thread even without Risen and with that everyone of us should be able to get better reads. All you are doing is calling Bluelightz out without applying any real pressure. Right now, Zeph's play feels incredibly scummy. I have yet to see real scum hunting. Instead all I see is sheeping another player's case in voting a town player. No effort in looking for scum yourself. Because you yourself are scum? @Bluelightz: What made you decide to vote for V7 and not one of the other players whom you haven't commented on. I suppose you have a null read on the rest of us as well? | ||
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What makes you guys suspicious of vader7? | ||
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Reasons for voting him are in my filter. Basically it's the contradiction in his stance regarding marv (marv switches his vote off of him is scummy. marv switches his vote back to him is scummy) and the fact that he flip-flopped his scum reads all the time. | ||
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You have only voiced suspicions on Risen and Keir. With Risen dead and Keir taken off of your list who is your scum read right now? | ||
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![]() I've never been nightkilled before, observing the game from the sidelines was somehow really frustrating especially with the low activity. I don't know if I'd have been able to catch both scum but I'm sure that at least I'd have been able to push for more activity ^^ It was sad that I had started to give my first better read on Zeph and not on another player, maybe that would have been more useful ![]() | ||
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