• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:45
CEST 00:45
KST 07:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru2BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack1Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation StarCraft 1 & 2 Added to Xbox Game Pass
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO8 - Group A Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread What do you want from future RTS games? Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 27886 users

Newbie Mini Mafia XXVI - Page 4

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 06 2012 22:40 GMT
#562
Im barely reading this thread anymore since Kville came back. Its all just a shitfest last 2 pages. Cant we just put the thread on hold until he gets kicked out and resume after?
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 07 2012 11:36 GMT
#610
How can people have townreads on imcasey? Actually, how can people have any reads on him? He isnt doing more than his predecessor WeeTee. One weak case on Xatalos and barely posting.

He is an absolute nullread. Which, considering we'll soon be down to 8 players, more and more looks mafia-ish.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 07 2012 12:05 GMT
#613
On September 07 2012 20:56 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 20:36 Kreb wrote:
How can people have townreads on imcasey? Actually, how can people have any reads on him? He isnt doing more than his predecessor WeeTee. One weak case on Xatalos and barely posting.

He is an absolute nullread. Which, considering we'll soon be down to 8 players, more and more looks mafia-ish.


Yeah cause our thing of lynching lurkers has worked out so well for us. Or wait no it hasn't... we should lynch someone we can actually find a scum slip on not someone who is convenient.

That didnt answer the question. How did you have a townread on him?

And Kville wasnt a lurker/policy lynch, as has been explained before. At the end he was also anything but lurkerish.

Im not saying Im advocating an imcasey lynch, but initially nullreads are 3 in 12 being mafia. Down to 8 players, nullreads and still no hit, nullreads are 3 in (8 - <your amount of townread>). That not bad odds.

Stutters remain my main suspect for now though. He is still on a grand total read-count of 1 throughout the whole thread and has given lackluster explanations to why he ignored replying to cases on him.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 07 2012 12:10 GMT
#614
On September 07 2012 20:56 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Also if you check back in my filter I give my reasons for town read on imcasey/WeeTee

The only thing I found was this:
Ok, So due to motivation stutters is likely to be scum. But I would like some answers out of Killing as to what he is thinking right now. Your only real strong read as the game went on was WeeTee but considering he didn't have time and had to leave the thread it is likely he is town without time. (now ImCasey)

Which isnt a imcasey read but a WeeTee read (carrying over to imcasey). And its a bit strange to assume someone to be town because they had to leave the thread.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 07 2012 12:13 GMT
#615
If that wasnt what you means Jacob, please repost your earlier reasoning.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 07 2012 12:20 GMT
#616
Same to kush: I'd like to see an explanation of your townread on imcasey.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 07 2012 18:30 GMT
#625
Oooo. My if-I-die-post will be good today, I might have figured out something.... hmmm. Just gimme some time to write a proper post.

Consider I think my survival chances are fairly limited, I'll make sure to help with what I can.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 07 2012 18:34 GMT
#627
Also.
On September 08 2012 00:43 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Well I have looked at krebs filter and honeslty I have nothing. He seems so completely town to me, the only thing that is odd is his frustrations regarding the kville thing

+ Show Spoiler +
No shit. His play was so terrible on so many levels. When we needed him to post he didnt, and when he was going out he went on an accusation spree and created a massive shitfest for a few hours. Kvilles play was complete bullshit and should not have been allowed. This is pretty much the same as if we started at a 7-3 player situation, except we've had 72 extra hours of discussion.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 07 2012 19:39 GMT
#630
Decided to take a different approach to this. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present: Logic.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Hey, I just googled logic and this is what I got, seems relevant enough! :p


Players remaining
1) KillingTime
2) drazak
3) kushm4sta
4) WeeTee, replaced by imcasey
6) Xatalos
9) Kreb
10) Stutters695
11) JacobStrangelove
12) Sonic Death Monkey

Assumed Town
SDM
Kush
Jacob
Kreb (for the rest of you)

1) We have, through attacks in the thread: Xata/Casey different alignment or both town
2) We have, through attacks in the thread: Kill/Stut different alignment or both town
Xata/Casey both town not possible unless Kill/Stut/Draz scum team (not possible according to 2)
Kill/Stut both town not possbile unless Draz/Xata/Casey scum team (not possib according to 1)
As such both must be different alignment.
->
Xata/Casey are different alignment
Kill/Stut are different alignment

Players remaining: Killing, Drazak, Stutters, Xata, Casey

Possible combinations:
A) Draz, Stut, Xata
B) Draz, Stut, Casey
C) Kill, Draz, Xata
D) Kill, Draz, Casey
What do these have in common!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
* Drum roll*
+ Show Spoiler +
Drazak


Some random further speculation. I focused on what these five players said about each other, ignoring what the rest said about them or what they said about the rest. I wouldnt put all that much weigth into this, but might be worth reading.

Speculation 1:
+ Show Spoiler +
Page 26
KillingTime:
I think Kreb, Drazak & Sonic are town

-> Doesnt mean anything, but might point towards C or D. A and B only means Killing is a town genuinely not thinking Drazak is mafia.

Specualtion 2:
+ Show Spoiler +
Page 26
KillingTime:
I don't think Xatalos or Kville are bad lynches.

-> Assuming this means Xata and Killing arent scum together
-> Possible: A, B, D

Speculation 3:
+ Show Spoiler +
Page 26
Xatalos:
Stutters has been making okay-looking posts recently as well.

-> Assuming Xatalos has genuine reasons
-> All still possible, but C unlikely (why would Xata let Stut off the hook otherwise?).

Speculation 4:
+ Show Spoiler +
Page 21
Casey:
Stutters seems to have good post, spent time on analyzing/writing them, i think he got good content in his post, definitely not a vote candidate as i see it.

-> All still possible, but D unlikely (why would Casey let Stut off the hook otherwise?). Might point towards B. A and C only means casey is a town genuinely not thinking Stut is mafia.


Please note:
- If Jacob, Sonic, Kush or I am mafia, all this is null and should be ignored.
- If the Xatalos/Casey situation is fabricated, all this is null (though, that means you have two mafia and just need to find the third)
-If the Killing/Stutters situation is fabricated, all this is null (same)
But.
-- Supposing all these three are true, Drazak is mafia.

My own take on this:
-The Killing/Stutters situation is as real as it gets.
-The Xatalos/casey situation is a bit wierd. It seems two quite inactive players found each other somewhat randomly. I wouldnt completely put it past them to fabricate this, but I consider it not likely. Worth noting might be that in a previous mafia game Xatalos bussed his fellow mafia friend into glorious mafia victory all solo. So he is no stranger to crafty moves.
-I consider Kush, Sonic, Jacob to be fairly solid town reads.

Worth thinking about: What about roleclaiming after N2? I dont know, theres so many possibilities what could happen. But should there be a detective around with some solid reads, he might seriously consider roleclaiming. We also got rid of a (the?) miller. Only Godfather left (or 2nd miller, lets hope there is none....) to fuck up reads. A detective could fill in some blanks.

Also, if anyone sees any problem with my reasoning, or find a reason to believe either or the three assumptions to not be true, its probably a good idea to tell. I dont wanna be the guy putting the final nail in the coffin for town.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 07 2012 23:05 GMT
#637
Anyway: Short update just on reads. It is to be taken separately from my post above.

Given the reads I do think Stutters still remains the person who I think have been getting away with doing the least (excpet casey who I still believe to be a nullread). But Drazak might be the most solid vote given what I posted above. Xatalos, hard to read, neutral or nullread simply because he has barely been posting. KillingTime, havent really got time to dive into him as much as I maybe should have. Should I survive I'll probably do that. Casey is a nullread.

Regarding townread. Kush and Jacob I both get the feeling they genuinely try to contribute and that their motives and actions are pro-town. Sonic still remains as someone who does thoughtful posts and solid reads imo. Out of the three townreads he is the one I'd most likely to believe has mind fucked us all and is a sneaky mafia :p But no, he seems very townish.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 08 2012 11:09 GMT
#662
/obs too

GL town, but you can do it =)
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL: GosuLeague
19:15
Quarter Finals
Hejek vs Herbmon
Semih vs Kyrie
cavapoo vs TousaN
ZZZero.O101
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 158
JuggernautJason102
EnDerr 35
PiGStarcraft24
CosmosSc2 8
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15962
Sea 1234
Artosis 612
ZZZero.O 101
Aegong 56
Dota 2
PGG 182
League of Legends
tarik_tv10277
Counter-Strike
fl0m6124
olofmeister2735
rGuardiaN110
Super Smash Bros
PPMD106
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3483
Khaldor106
Other Games
summit1g7108
shahzam895
ViBE84
Maynarde54
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream3594
Other Games
BasetradeTV150
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 53
• davetesta37
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity4
• HerbMon 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22334
League of Legends
• TFBlade1474
• Shiphtur680
Other Games
• imaqtpie953
• Scarra921
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
1h 15m
GSL Code S
10h 45m
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 3h
GSL Code S
1d 10h
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
1d 11h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
OSC
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
[ Show More ]
SOOP
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Cheesadelphia
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
GSL Code S
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.