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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Hapahauli
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 06 2012 14:13 Hapahauli wrote: Mmhm, I think me picking up on "townies don't think like this" was alright (considering he was L), but I should've considered the guy was a blue. Geebus that was bad. yeah but you didn't have a case not even like one single point against him nothing he did or said was untownlike or scummy | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On September 06 2012 14:53 syllogism wrote: What a painful game to read. Should have lynched marvel when he claimed L's right hand for no reason ?? He WAS L's right hand. I think Hiropro would have protested if marv's claim was wrong. That would have been the complete wrong reason to lynch him. There were enough hints before that that he was scum. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On September 06 2012 16:09 phagga wrote: ?? He WAS L's right hand. I think Hiropro would have protested if marv's claim was wrong. That would have been the complete wrong reason to lynch him. There were enough hints before that that he was scum. That's not the point, if you are town there is little reason to claim that, or at least I didn't see any reason unless he was instructed to do that by L | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 06 2012 12:19 Zephirdd wrote: post-game thoughts: Palmar lynch WAS FUCKING RIDICULOUS KTHX I liked people's activity, but I was surprised that nobody realized marv was the kira when he wasn't contributing at all compared to other players. Node realized it too late. Z-Boson pointed marv/risen scum team on the post 51 of the QT, which was on day 2 IIRC. I'm overall happy with the setup, even if it felt it was insanely hard for scum. It was, in fact, a town-favored setup. By a bit I might add, but anything would throw scum into deep hell. Also, I loved strongandbig's claim. It was bad luck that palmar, the miller, flipped end game. GG scum Yes, Node was right. I did not make a single case all game. Just sheeped to varying degrees. Z-Boson picked up on how I didn't go after Risen which was also a tell. On September 06 2012 12:21 HiroPro wrote: eh, the balance is kinda changed by the fact that town has very little time to discuss anything. Same with scum, though. As we can't scumhunt legitimately, it was hard not having downtime to work out what to do next. EDIT: also, thinking about it, to win, I needed FOUR mislynches (inc. strongest townie day 1), town vigi hitting town, AND a townie modkill. Hard shit in a mini, man. Also good to see Zeph in obsQT realising that Vet for Hiro was maybe a bit much. On September 06 2012 12:25 Zephirdd wrote: True. it was a primary thought when creating the game. Originally, it was a 2-scum(14 players) setup, where one of them was the traitor, because I was so worried about the 24hr thing. GMarshal helped with the balance(as well as probulous and bluelightz), but ultimately the setup was still a bit town favored because scum kills were so hard to manage. here's how they work: 1- You can only kill 24 hours after you PM the name of the person to die 2- If that person dies before it, you have to select someone else 3- if the kill fails somehow(medic/veteran), Kira can change the future scheduled kills 4- you can't change who is to die otherwise This ended up causing a suboptimal kill in Shady Sands, for instance. Not that I don't like it, it was intended; it still makes life a hell. It doesn't help that scum knows traitor is looking for them, but they can't recruit the traitor themselves. Plus the traitor has to hit Kira himself. Even if they were to play without caring about it, the mere knowledge of the fact impacts their play into being scummier than they should be. I killed Shady just to be rid of him. But it was suboptimal. Regarding the traitor, it's my main quibble with the setup. I found it slightly ludicrous that I could not recruit the traitor despite knowing who it was. Don't think that's the way it should be. On September 06 2012 12:27 Zephirdd wrote: 2 millers Risen. ghost was a miller too also I might add EVERYTHING went as wrongly as possible: HiroPro checked marv, who was godfather, and proceeded to waste a check in order to protect him on a cycle, as well as giving him the mason status and ultimately the M role, which made mkfuba use his ability to protect him. This goes down to wp marv, I feel, infiltrating the town's consciousness (I got protected twice I think?). On September 06 2012 13:22 BlackMamba24 wrote: I'm kicking myself. Marvellosity was my top gut scumread near the end of day 1 but I was too lazy and felt it was too late to pursue it. This was the post that made me "know" in a sense. Lazy me can't accomplish much. Then you got lucky. I would 100% post that as town. See above for what actually is alignment indicative. Edit: reading obsQT, significantly later you named like 5 possible scummers and I wasn't one of them. So meh. On September 06 2012 14:53 syllogism wrote: What a painful game to read. Should have lynched marvel when he claimed L's right hand for no reason Also just dumb. I would have done the same as town. I always bring information I have to the thread. Holy shit endgame flavour played to my ego. Risen: I told you to keep the faith  Now, you may all bow down to your new master, Kira! gg <3 | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
gg! And huge thanks to the hosts ^^ I had a blast. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 06 2012 23:07 syllogism wrote: Marvellosity: that's just awful play then. That's not bringing town information that is actually useful, but rather revealing something that can only help mafia. Not much better than just randomly role claiming. Perhaps as town you would have considered it more and wouldn't have done it, I would hope so. how does it help mafia? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
They know that you are not L, assuming they believe you (townie would rarely lie about it in near lylo). Not sure how much you knew about L's role, but from what I understand the successors (that's what you were?) inherited some of his powers, so if L flips they would then see who got the powers. How did revealing that information to town at that point help at all? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 06 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote: They know that you are not L, assuming they believe you (townie would rarely lie about it in near lylo). Not sure how much you knew about L's role, but from what I understand the successors (that's what you were?) inherited some of his powers, so if L flips they would then see who got the powers. How did revealing that information to town at that point help at all? I became RHM long before lylo (previous one died day 2 i think?). Didn't know about successors at all, so that's a totally null point. From townie pov i'm bringing instructions from L to the thread without L having to reveal himself. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On September 06 2012 23:20 syllogism wrote: Okay, you still should have assumed the possibility of there being more to it than just "instructions" from L, not that any really ever came. Certainly it's possible for a townie to immediately and needlessly reveal information that can only hurt town, but it's far more likely for mafia to do that. If L had actually told you to post something, then revealing it would make more sense. That was the whole reason I believed Marv was town. Hiro checked him, it returned green, and never confronted Marv when he claimed right-hand. He was alive for more than long enough to do something about it if Marv had lied. Hiro was giving marv the words that 'confirmed' Hiro was L. I put way too much faith in that greencheck. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Also woohoo first win as scum! | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On September 06 2012 23:32 strongandbig wrote: Fakeclaiming like that was pretty fun. I knew I was dead as soon as a real miller flipped, though - it was just unfortunate it happened with the first lynch. Still, I effectively traded for palmar and drh, and I'm pretty happy with that trade. Also woohoo first win as scum! When you posted that, I immediately thought you were town. Throughout the day, though, I was thinking "this guy doesn't look all that townie...", but without Palmar's flip, I wouldn't have done anything about it for at least a few more cycles. It was a good play! | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
FUCKING MAMBA AND L VIGI POWERS!!!! Rofl. I would have pulled it off, too. Node was with me, fuba would have been with me, last second marvel swap and boom. Scum just wins. | ||
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