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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 23:21 GMT
#661
Who hasn't voted yet? Can we get a votecount?
Что?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 01 2012 23:32 GMT
#662
On September 02 2012 08:10 Shady Sands wrote:
After reading through the thread, here are my thoughts.

On SnB: I would suggest the cop check him. Hunting someone off a single claim like that as opposed to actual scummy behavior is a null tell, in my opinion, especially given that this game has rules so different from a normal mafia game. Heck, I'm not even sure about how the whole "suspicious detective" and "right arm detective" mechanic is supposed to work. It could be entirely possible that SnB got a different miller subtype than what Palmar got, or that Palmar was a traitor and not a miller, or he was a townie that was set up by a Mafia Framer with delayed flip.


On September 02 2012 05:41 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 02:01 strongandbig wrote:
How about this - we kill ghost today because he's scum. Hiro or some other DT checks me tonight. I come back town and we realize I'm telling the truth?


No

1. You're lying scum
2. I wasn't given a check today to waste on you.
3. I'm probably getting shot tomorrow.



Hi, please read the thread before you say stuff like this. There are no framers - and that part (Mafia Framer with delayed flip) makes no sense at all. Palmar was definitely not a traitor - his role PM was the VT PM (he's a miller). Suspicious detective is the equivalent of a guilty. I don't have a check to use today and I am probably not going to live long enough to give out a check which I would have to make tomorrow. It is not just the role itself- the big thing is the fact that he lied about what his role claim was in the opening post that was dedicated solely to explaining his role....

Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 23:34 GMT
#663
On September 02 2012 08:32 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 08:10 Shady Sands wrote:
After reading through the thread, here are my thoughts.

On SnB: I would suggest the cop check him. Hunting someone off a single claim like that as opposed to actual scummy behavior is a null tell, in my opinion, especially given that this game has rules so different from a normal mafia game. Heck, I'm not even sure about how the whole "suspicious detective" and "right arm detective" mechanic is supposed to work. It could be entirely possible that SnB got a different miller subtype than what Palmar got, or that Palmar was a traitor and not a miller, or he was a townie that was set up by a Mafia Framer with delayed flip.


Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 05:41 HiroPro wrote:
On September 02 2012 02:01 strongandbig wrote:
How about this - we kill ghost today because he's scum. Hiro or some other DT checks me tonight. I come back town and we realize I'm telling the truth?


No

1. You're lying scum
2. I wasn't given a check today to waste on you.
3. I'm probably getting shot tomorrow.



Hi, please read the thread before you say stuff like this. There are no framers - and that part (Mafia Framer with delayed flip) makes no sense at all. Palmar was definitely not a traitor - his role PM was the VT PM (he's a miller). Suspicious detective is the equivalent of a guilty. I don't have a check to use today and I am probably not going to live long enough to give out a check which I would have to make tomorrow. It is not just the role itself- the big thing is the fact that he lied about what his role claim was in the opening post that was dedicated solely to explaining his role....



So wait, Palmar was scum?
Что?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 01 2012 23:35 GMT
#664
No, he was a miller.....
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2012 23:50 GMT
#665
The more I think about it, the less sense it makes that SnB is scum.

But should I vote for Ghost or try to get a bandwagon rolling for Shady?

Hmm...
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 01 2012 23:55 GMT
#666
For those of you who want to see a current vote count (and correct me if I'm wrong).

Votes for SnB (7) - HiroPro, marvellosity, Node, MrZentor, ghost_403, Risen, Hopelessr1der

Votes for ghost_403 (3) - Mementoss, strongandbig, Shady Sands

Votes for Shady Sands (1) - mkfuba07


@Shady:

You mean like this?

On September 01 2012 09:04 ghost_403 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
I'm not too fond of the way ghost has been defending mamba at every chance he gets. It's fine to defend a player if you don't think they're town but leave it at that. Cause when he comes back to the thread he can just mirror the things that ghost said to defend him, or otherwise there is at least a lot less pressure on him to give an adquete response about his case and such. That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why?

My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much".

I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out.

If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now..

##Vote: Mr.Zentor

Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days.



This is the post done by Mementoss that makes me think that he's scum. Take a close look at what he's saying in this post.
  • Ghost is defending BMB
  • BMB is scum
  • Risen is a bit off
  • Hey, let's lynch a lurker

To the first point, he points out that I've been defending BMB, which is not true. I've been trying to force a discussion about BMB with the people who have been voting BMB. I specifically point that out in this post and this post. Look at what he said real carefully. It's not that he disagrees with what I did. I think he's misrepresenting what I've done in the game up until this point in order to undermine my position in the town.

Reading his position on BMB, you realize that he's all over the place in his read. "bit scummy", "make himself look town", "the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective"... All of this would make you think that given a bullet, he'd shoot BMB dead. So why isn't he voting BMB, or at the very least pressuring on him hard? If I was that convinced someone was scum, I'm going to do everything I can to make him sweat bullets and get him lynched. MMToss just kind of admits it, and leaves it hanging.

Next, Risen is a bit off. Everyone said that. Next!

Finally, he votes Zentor. His vote on Zentor isn't based around the fact that he think's he is scum, he's simply voting for him because he feels compelled to vote. I don't see him putting a lot of thought into his vote, which is exactly what a mediocre scum player does.

TL;DR - I think MMToss is scum because of this post. I'm going to be rather upset if the town lets him off the hook.

Do you not see this as reasoning behind his vote? Or do you not see it as being "independent" enough? Or did you not read his filter before saying that he didn't support his vote?

As for this quote:
He also tells town to pressure Risen over the Palmar lynch, which looks to me like scum trying to set town up for a second mislynch after stumbling on D1. Why not blame yourself, Ghost, for offering no independent analysis on why you voted MMToss?

He provided his own reasoning for voting for MMToss, and actually voted for someone other than Palmar. How can you try to place the blame for the mislynch on him in any way? Maybe he should have been here spamming "Vote for my candidate guys! He's scum!" a few hours before the deadline. Maybe that would have stopped that mislynch that he didn't promote.


@All:
I'm actually not understanding how ghost's post is so scummy. Is that the general feeling when posts like this are seen?
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2012 00:00 GMT
#667
## Unvote
## Vote Ghost_403
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 02 2012 00:16 GMT
#668
On September 02 2012 08:55 mkfuba07 wrote:
For those of you who want to see a current vote count (and correct me if I'm wrong).

Votes for SnB (7) - HiroPro, marvellosity, Node, MrZentor, ghost_403, Risen, Hopelessr1der

Votes for ghost_403 (3) - Mementoss, strongandbig, Shady Sands

Votes for Shady Sands (1) - mkfuba07


@Shady:

You mean like this?

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 09:04 ghost_403 wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
I'm not too fond of the way ghost has been defending mamba at every chance he gets. It's fine to defend a player if you don't think they're town but leave it at that. Cause when he comes back to the thread he can just mirror the things that ghost said to defend him, or otherwise there is at least a lot less pressure on him to give an adquete response about his case and such. That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why?

My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much".

I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out.

If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now..

##Vote: Mr.Zentor

Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days.



This is the post done by Mementoss that makes me think that he's scum. Take a close look at what he's saying in this post.
  • Ghost is defending BMB
  • BMB is scum
  • Risen is a bit off
  • Hey, let's lynch a lurker

To the first point, he points out that I've been defending BMB, which is not true. I've been trying to force a discussion about BMB with the people who have been voting BMB. I specifically point that out in this post and this post. Look at what he said real carefully. It's not that he disagrees with what I did. I think he's misrepresenting what I've done in the game up until this point in order to undermine my position in the town.

Reading his position on BMB, you realize that he's all over the place in his read. "bit scummy", "make himself look town", "the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective"... All of this would make you think that given a bullet, he'd shoot BMB dead. So why isn't he voting BMB, or at the very least pressuring on him hard? If I was that convinced someone was scum, I'm going to do everything I can to make him sweat bullets and get him lynched. MMToss just kind of admits it, and leaves it hanging.

Next, Risen is a bit off. Everyone said that. Next!

Finally, he votes Zentor. His vote on Zentor isn't based around the fact that he think's he is scum, he's simply voting for him because he feels compelled to vote. I don't see him putting a lot of thought into his vote, which is exactly what a mediocre scum player does.

TL;DR - I think MMToss is scum because of this post. I'm going to be rather upset if the town lets him off the hook.

Do you not see this as reasoning behind his vote? Or do you not see it as being "independent" enough? Or did you not read his filter before saying that he didn't support his vote?

As for this quote:
Show nested quote +
He also tells town to pressure Risen over the Palmar lynch, which looks to me like scum trying to set town up for a second mislynch after stumbling on D1. Why not blame yourself, Ghost, for offering no independent analysis on why you voted MMToss?

He provided his own reasoning for voting for MMToss, and actually voted for someone other than Palmar. How can you try to place the blame for the mislynch on him in any way? Maybe he should have been here spamming "Vote for my candidate guys! He's scum!" a few hours before the deadline. Maybe that would have stopped that mislynch that he didn't promote.


@All:
I'm actually not understanding how ghost's post is so scummy. Is that the general feeling when posts like this are seen?


All Ghost did there was repeat what others already said on an 18 hour old post. MMToss had moved far beyond that post already by the time it was posted.

Now the votes are:

Votes for SnB (6) - HiroPro, marvellosity, Node, ghost_403, Risen, Hopelessr1der

Votes for ghost_403 (4) - Mementoss, strongandbig, Shady Sands, MrZentor

Votes for Shady Sands (1) - mkfuba07
Что?
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 00:17:19
September 02 2012 00:16 GMT
#669
Current Vote Count:

HiroPro(1) - Hapahauli, Shady Sands

Risen(0) - Node

Strongandbig(6) - HiroPro, Marvellosity, Node, MrZentor, Mementoss, ghost_403, Risen, Hopeless1der

Ghost_403(4) - Mementoss, Strongandbig, Shady Sands, MrZentor

Shady Sands(1) - mkfuba07


Not Voting: Not Everyone.

Currently, Strongandbig is set to be lynched. Deadline is set at 9:30 CDT (-05:00).
About an hour and a half left to vote. A reminder that voting is NOT mandatory, and you can't vote for yourself.
Bio - Breaking it down
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 02 2012 00:18 GMT
#670
Just two more to switch. Don't let me down.

Also, it's not that 1 individual post that's scummy. Read through Ghost's filter, and tell me ghost is scumhunting with individual and original thinking.

He isn't.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 02 2012 00:19 GMT
#671
RISEN! HOPELESS! GET IN HERE!
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 02 2012 00:19 GMT
#672
Why is it that every time we attack one of HiroPro/Ghost/Mkfuba, they all end up pushing other candidates/defending each other immediately thereafter?
Что?
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 02 2012 00:49 GMT
#673
I'm awake. Holy shit I take a nap and suddenly this? I have to think about this. I don't know if this is a unified town effort or an effort led by scum trying to save sab.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 02 2012 00:52 GMT
#674
Honestly, I'm looking at the two lists and Shady I already have my doubts about you, MrZ is a lurker, mt seems townie, sab seems like a liar. Why are we saving sab, again?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 02 2012 01:10 GMT
#675
On September 02 2012 09:52 Risen wrote:
Honestly, I'm looking at the two lists and Shady I already have my doubts about you, MrZ is a lurker, mt seems townie, sab seems like a liar. Why are we saving sab, again?


This isn't about saving SaB, it's about lynching someone for their play as opposed to a claim/fakeclaim. Ghost has been playing like a scum for most of D1/D2. The one time he tried to present independent casework, it was a simple repeat of what Hapa had already written. Other times, he just sheeps people and votes without any justifications at all.
Что?
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2012 01:17 GMT
#676
If you were a mafia and fake claiming to be a miller, why would you lie and say that sometimes you appear innocent?

Wouldn't it be easier to just say you're a normal miller, because not only does it seem more likely for there to be only normal millers, but also in the unlikely scenario that somebody does check you, you'll appear guilty like you claimed you would.

It doesn't make sense for a mafia to claim to appear guilty to alignment checks part of the time.

Unless there's some weird mechanic that gives the godfather an extra power if chooses to appear guilty for the night.

In which case, SnB is the godfather and he's fooling us.

But that doesn't seem probable..
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
September 02 2012 01:35 GMT
#677
Next daypost incoming. Freaking Na'vi vs IG man.
Bio - Breaking it down
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 02 2012 01:37 GMT
#678
On September 02 2012 10:17 MrZentor wrote:
If you were a mafia and fake claiming to be a miller, why would you lie and say that sometimes you appear innocent?

Wouldn't it be easier to just say you're a normal miller, because not only does it seem more likely for there to be only normal millers, but also in the unlikely scenario that somebody does check you, you'll appear guilty like you claimed you would.

It doesn't make sense for a mafia to claim to appear guilty to alignment checks part of the time.

Unless there's some weird mechanic that gives the godfather an extra power if chooses to appear guilty for the night.

In which case, SnB is the godfather and he's fooling us.

But that doesn't seem probable..


Zentor, this is why I try not to think about the SaB claim as hard as scumhunting. Dwelling on the claim is like trying to swim through a sea of WIFOM. It doesn't help. Focus on the scumhunt, and tell me Ghost doesn't look scummier than S&B.
Что?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
September 02 2012 01:38 GMT
#679
An hour early isn't it?
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 02:10:38
September 02 2012 01:39 GMT
#680
Day 3

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"Take him away, far away, where he cannot interrupt the search."

The investigation continued to take it's toll on the detectives. One was found dead eating his breakfast, and yet another lost his mind trying to find Kira. Solarsail, the latter, was deemed insane and removed from the group, to be placed under close watch in one of Japan's high security insane asylums.

As the day wore on, however, people began to notice Strongandbig acting suspiciously, leaving scraps of paper around the office and carelessly leaving other detectives' notebooks around and open. HiroPro was the first to notice this, and as more and more evidence was presented, more and more detectives agreed that he needed to go.

"No, this is a mistake!" Pleaded Strongandbig. "Can't you see that Ghost_403 is actually the killer?!? It's too soon to come to this conclusion!"

The other detectives would hear none of it. They all moved to arrest Strongandbig, BioSC taking out his handcuffs. Strongandbig, however, would have none of it.

"You can't take me like this!" he screamed! He pulled out his gun and began to shoot at the detectives, who immediately scattered and returned fire. BioSC took several hits to the shoulder and arm, and immediately fell.

Strongandbig, however, was out manned and out gunned. He was riddled with bullets from the remaining detectives, but miraculously was still standing and breathing! The detectives gathered around him to remove his weapon, and as he drew his final breath, he spoke his last words.

"Kira is justified in his crusade. I know he is right, and cannot be stopped. In the end, perhaps you all will realize it too."

He fell to his knees, and then to his chest. Strongandbig was no more.

BioSC, the Idiot Co-Host, has been shot for stupidly standing in the way.
Strongandbig, the Traitor, has been lynched.

Flip:
+ Show Spoiler +
You are a Detective, however you do not believe that Kira is wrong on his massacre and, as you have your hands on a Death Note, you want to help him.

Every cycle, you can check a player by PMing all hosts. If that player is Kira, you gain rights to communicate with him and his allies. If that player is the Head Investigator, however, he will be notified that you were stalking him.

You will show up as Detective to investigations while more than half of the town Detectives live, and as Suspicious Detective otherwise.

Once per game you may chose to Kill any player by PMing all hosts his name, time of death and cause of death. Notice that the time of death must have at least 4 hour delay from the time of the PM.
Notice that you cannot kill Kira, and if the kill fails by any reason you won't be notified of the reason, and your shot will not be refunded.

You win when you, Kira and any other possible ally combined are equal or superior in number than the rest of the Detectives.
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