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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 21:19 GMT
#39
/in
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:12 GMT
#261
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.


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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:17 GMT
#263
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:20 GMT
#265
On September 04 2012 09:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Yaaaay. Howbout answering my question instead of throwing your vote around like that. Feeling threatened or something?

how about reading the setup
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:25 GMT
#271
On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli

need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:

a) People not thinking while posting / reading
b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him.

lol... could you have asked this more rhetorically?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:26 GMT
#272
On September 04 2012 09:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah I know what the role does, so what about it? I'll ask a question if I don't understand something.

there is no information given to the role, it is a VT that (randomly) visits people. If a tracker or watcher see me on their check it could lead to a stupid mislynch
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:33 GMT
#277
On September 04 2012 09:30 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:25 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli

need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:

a) People not thinking while posting / reading
b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him.

lol... could you have asked this more rhetorically?

yeah probably.

Answer?

well you think its b. your wording says that, and I agree.

however it completely depends on the situation.

to play devils advocate, many TL towns have been blinded by stupid discussions about players that take up a lot of the thread and often lead to tunnelling and mislynches. If a simple defense post could avert this it would be better to have that post.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 00:43 GMT
#282
On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.

Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well

if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 01:00 GMT
#291
On September 04 2012 09:49 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:30 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:25 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli

need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:

a) People not thinking while posting / reading
b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him.

lol... could you have asked this more rhetorically?

yeah probably.

Answer?

well you think its b. your wording says that, and I agree.

however it completely depends on the situation.

to play devils advocate, many TL towns have been blinded by stupid discussions about players that take up a lot of the thread and often lead to tunnelling and mislynches. If a simple defense post could avert this it would be better to have that post.

here comes the actual question:

Did you realize which post I was referring to?

On September 04 2012 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Toad, you seem pretty fixated on picking a fight with slOosh. It's only been a page, of posts, and he seems pretty townie to me.

amirite?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 01:43 GMT
#310
On September 04 2012 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.


Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim?

##vote hapahauli


Am I missing something here or is this vote just ridiculous? I completely understand claiming nosy neighbour or miller day one, and encourage people with those roles to claim in order to stave off potential mislynches in the future. But immediatly voting someone who questions you seems overly defensive IMO.

Talking about retarded voting


do you want me to respond to this?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 01:43 GMT
#311
lul at that ninja shit
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 01:48 GMT
#314
On September 04 2012 10:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Because if you've read the last page, it should be pretty clear why he did so.

or the fact that i didn't even actually vote you
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 01:50 GMT
#316
On September 04 2012 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Then why did you ask the question in the first place if it was so blindingly obvious that it was something so obviously bad to ask that you would be insta-voted with no explanation? And I will not apologise for calling Mattchews vote retarded. Quoting a question and voting does not satisfy my need for a reasonable case before a vote.

what are you harping on about?

the vote was to make him realize he was being thick
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 02:10 GMT
#321
On September 04 2012 11:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.






Just saw this post. You are scum sup.

?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 02:25 GMT
#329
On September 04 2012 11:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 11:10 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.






Just saw this post. You are scum sup.

?


you claimed miller. How would a miller know they are a miller? thus you are scum.

i received my role. it told me what it was.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 02:26 GMT
#330
On September 04 2012 11:25 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 11:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:10 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.






Just saw this post. You are scum sup.

?


you claimed miller. How would a miller know they are a miller? thus you are scum.


You did read the setup right?

he knows the setup
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 02:40 GMT
#341
On September 04 2012 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.

Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye


If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him.

Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_-

pokemon?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 02:56 GMT
#354
On September 04 2012 11:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.

Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye


If you think I am wrong prove it. I wouldn't make the statement if I was not 100% sure I was right. As such you have defended a confirmed liar and are scum with him.

Seriously people do you think I would call someone out if I didnt know my shit? -_-


So your rationale is "How would a miller know they are a miller?"

Well if he's telling the truth, he would know he's a Nosy Neighbor, because according to the setup rules, he would have knowledge of his title.

Thus if telling the truth, he would know he's a miller.

So... you're 100% sure he's lying? Something I'm missing here?



I am 100% sure. Nosy Neighbor is a miller role. A player never knows they are that role and a miller is always included in OP as a potential role. Again I say I am 100% right and nosy neighbours are for all intents and purposes a miller for this game and do not know they are a nosy neighbor.

This is information 100% accurate given setup information. If you think I am lying prove me wrong, there is a way to do so.

there have been games with self-aware millers
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 02:57 GMT
#358
On September 04 2012 11:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 11:46 BlackMamba24 wrote:
1. Burden of proof is on you to prove mattchew is lying

2. whether or not it makes sense as a fakeclaim does not indicate his alignment whatsoever. your case is that you know 100% he is lying, ok and on what grounds can you support that? you haven't shown any so far

bad bc



You can prove I am lying with 1 action. As you have yet to do so (hey its even in the OP to find out how to prove me wrong).

You are right, his fakeclaim doesn't prove he is mafia on its own. However, HIM ASKING FOR CLAIMS DOES. Why would a townie fakeclaim and attempt to get all blues to claim ? No townie day 1 should ever be this fuckign stupid. Even if he gets caught as mafia (as I have caught him) had anyone or if anyone proceeds to claim and a bunch of retard blues out themselves mafia is instantly ahead.

Use your head DrH. You know how I play and know even as Mafia I don't spout complete bullshit. If I am calling someone out like this I know I am in the right. So in the offchance I am mafia I know hes lying, and as I am town I know hes lying.

There is only one way for me to know he is lying given that this is a setup mechanic. Figure out how I know and you then you will know the same thing I do and realize hes fucking lying.

woah... i asked for all other nosy neighbors to claim, not blues.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 04 2012 02:57 GMT
#359
he's trying to say he pm'd palmar
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