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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 21:42 GMT
#2153
I think Shady is better than Gravan. I prefer Strongandbig but apparently many people don't like reading.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 21:43 GMT
#2154
On September 15 2012 06:41 Maverick32x wrote:
Ok, WOW- I'm switching to either Strong or Shady. They are scum. I dont know if I only have 20 minutes left or not, (just got home from work) but I will attempt to get some evidence out real quick.

I will be voting for whoever has the most votes right now, and I will type furiously to get my case together.

Cool, put it on SnB, I already did the legwork.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 21:47 GMT
#2158
Gravan you should reconsider your vote - we aren't lynching Shady today.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 21:57 GMT
#2172
On September 15 2012 06:49 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 06:47 slOosh wrote:
Gravan you should reconsider your vote - we aren't lynching Shady today.


Also I was wondering, when you intially switched off of Gravan, you being the one who made the case, why did you switch, what changed your mind?

I've always been on the fence of newbie town or terribad scum - basically for me it's hard to differentiate between poor play and scum play. I switched because if I look at it from a perspective of a new new newbie town, it's feasible and also the Mav thing brought out some stuff. I had the opportunity so I did.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 21:59 GMT
#2175
Awesome. I feel much better about this. I know SnB is capable of superior play. Or at least caring about stuff.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 21:59 GMT
#2177
Well if SnB flips town then I QQ hard and .... I don't want to even think about it.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 22:16 GMT
#2183
THE SUSPENSE!!! WHAT ARE YOU???
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 22:17 GMT
#2187
SUP
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 22:19 GMT
#2191
No hard feelings snb. Now to make a list to lynch into and win the game.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 22:26 GMT
#2195
Ok I think everyone who joined my wagon deserves a pass for at least the next cycle or two. Unlikely that the whole scum team helped me swing it that way, so even if a member slipped in we can catch the remaining ones. Strongest brownie points goes to Hopeless who I believe hammered the vote.

Shady Sands looks pretty bad. To be honest I haven't read his filter that cleanly but that one post where he echoes snb was just terrible and I gotta go back and look at it.

Still think Rewok and Gravan are newbie town. Would prefer if we don't lynch them for a while.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 22:30 GMT
#2197
No cookie for you grush. no cookie for you.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 22:35 GMT
#2199
Oh yea people please don't get lazy. I've expenditured most of my energies into the case and so I'm gonna take some time off to recharge. Please give me stuff to work with when I get back later in the day / tomorrow noon.

Shady you should be working your hardest right now to present a good lynch candidate for tomorrow.
People should be looking into snb's filter and people's relation with him to find more connections.
Uhh ... yea I can't do any more reading right now.


Oh yea Toad you look extra terrible for weird interactions with snb if I recall. You should present a good lynch candidate for tomorrow as well.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 22:38 GMT
#2201
On September 15 2012 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
Can I has a cookie?

You get biggest cookie. But please don't get lazy I can't do all the work.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 22:46 GMT
#2203
On September 13 2012 12:39 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 10:32 grush57 wrote:
Either him or Toad is scum.

Hey Grush, what is your current read of strongandbig & Toad?

Funny how this keeps coming up.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 22:47 GMT
#2204
Oh yea - I'm gonna be direct. What is your current read of Toad and why?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 23:00 GMT
#2207
On September 15 2012 07:51 grush57 wrote:
Hmm, the way he handled the auto confirm is a bit suspicous, and he like soft attacked Toad, so maybe botha re scum.

Not too sure if I'm understanding correctly. Could you post the quotes that show this and specify the auto confirm thing a bit more?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 14 2012 23:02 GMT
#2208
On September 15 2012 07:52 Kreb wrote:
S&B was buddying Toad a bit at the start though. Not sure why you'd buddy a mafia teammate....

Easy / planned dialogue, feigning contribution, avoiding connections for late game etc. Gotta look at what he is trying to achieve with it. Alright I think this is my last post of the night. Please don't let thread die. Otherwise we might repeat the D1 lynch -> D2 / D3 mislynch business again.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 15 2012 20:01 GMT
#2266
On September 14 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
Guhh ... why do you guys wait until now to play properly?

What Maverick did just now was a very very town thing. Feigning activity and making cases is easy. Calling the runner up lynch candidate town when you have the most votes is not. The only motivation to do that is that you are town, and you think this person is town. You can see that he doesn't value his specific survival over the town's interests. His case really shows his thinking process and also clarifies past contradictions (e.g. he left out Graven from his scum reads) - consistency like this is hard to setup as scum.

Gravan ... it's really weird with him. As Maverick points out he is playing consistently (regardless of quality). I remember thinking he was newbie town making lots of mistakes, and it could be he is scummy because of this. Also strange is the nature of the maverick counter wagon. Still thinking this one through.

ShiaoPi: his treatment of Mav is townish. Timezones are timezones. Select stuff in his filter make me think he is town and explain his actions but will not divulge unless there is a large enough body of evidence against him.


This leaves me with two people:
SnB has not cared at all about the past two lynches. You can see from his filter that he jumps on the Forumite lynch with little to contribute while also discrediting Rewok. He jumps on the maverick lynch with little to add and also makes sure people know that everyone could be scum ("MMT made the case on Mav but you never know maybe he is scum"). His latest posts are pure setup speculation. He treats Toad very strangely - I'm not sure if he thinks Toad might be scum and hunting for reactions or he is pretending to engage in meaningful conversation.

Toad is someone who has flared up upon a proper reread of the Z-Boson mad hatter business. I originally thought him town after our little spat at the start of the game. However if you reread his filter carefully, you will notice that he uses "vet balance" to get Forumite lynched, but after that he says "oh I guess I was wrong, oh well". He seemed to taunt Z-boson near deadline and called for vig shots on him even if he was town because he would die anyway. I know I said mafia wouldn't kill a potential mad hatter but I forgot that there is a very good chance of a roleblocker in the game, as we still don't know about austin's 2nd shot. I find the explanations for his dismissal of SnB and BM to be beyond just strange, as he is ignoring possible scum on raw setup speculation.


Thoughts please, we need to get this lynch right.
On September 14 2012 20:13 Shady Sands wrote:
These are my top lynch candidates at the moment:

Gravan
Maverick


I also have a strong townread on SnB, and my previous townread on sloosh is slipping into null territory after his weak list above.

Yea I dunno how you gonna backtrack on this one Shady. "weak list" you say? It's not something you can really respond to that well, so here's the followup question.

On September 15 2012 08:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Since I thought at the time that Gravan was scum, anyone who came out before a lynch was inevitable on Gravan and made noises about lynching him earned town points in my book. Now that S&B has flipped scum, I retract that and I think Gravan is just a bad town who other scum tried to latch upon. Grav's behavior, in particular, over the past few hours has been very townie and returns my read on him to null.

Can you point out said posts, and how they are "very townie", and only return him to null? Cause I think you're bluffing. And scum. And tomorrow's lynch.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 15 2012 20:03 GMT
#2267
On September 16 2012 04:56 Shady Sands wrote:
ebwop meant to say over the final day of the heated D4 lynch. Toad was ambivalent to who got lynched that day, which makes sense if you think of him as scum and all of the prospective candidates at the time (me, Grav, MMT) as town.

Also that's some heavy confirmation bias once again. Also you left out Maverick.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
September 15 2012 21:59 GMT
#2286
Yea, Shady Sands totally keeps dodging my questions. I ask which of Gravan's posts look townie and he responds "I misunderstood SnB". Pretty sure he is scum.

Also just noticed Mementoss' huge case. Unfortunately I won't have time to read thoroughly and comment before deadline (don't think there are any medics so I'm sure I'm going out this cycle) but I agree with the general points presented.
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