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Gravan
Profile Joined October 2010
59 Posts
September 14 2012 20:02 GMT
#2137
Okay. Everyone voting for me: this post is for you.

Read my filter. I know some of you have not done this.

First off, I am Vanilla Town.

Now, read through my filter again, looking at me as if I were scum. What am I doing? Am I pushing mafia objectives? No. Am I trying to cause confusion and mayhem; trying to derail the thread? No. Am I trying to blend in? Maybe; although I would expect a little more aggressiveness in the way of jumping on the people I voted for, probably in an attempt to get towncred.

As a townie, if you read my filter, you'll notice I am pretty consistent. I make that one poor comment on Matt, but it was really a confusing time and you might notice that that is my first attempt at contributing in a mafia game ever. I honestly think it is a reasonable thing to post, as a newbie.

So, this is my 'meta' argument, in a way. Looking at my posts, you know that I have to be a smurf or a newb. As a newbie town, my posts make sense. As a newbie mafia, I think my posts are really strange, and don't really fit. As a smurf, my filter in general is really bizarre.

As Maverick said, why would I start posting more as the thread goes on if I were mafia? The only reason I would do so is if I were trying to further mafia goals - something which I believe my posting doesn't back up in the slightest. Yes, I voted for/was an opponent of BKE, but so was most of the thread. Otherwise, I feel as though my posts reflect my true nature quite well.

Basically, if you're voting for me, I want you to actually read my filter and justify to yourself why you are voting for me.

And, please, don't try the whole 'lurker' argument - I am far from the worst of the lurking players here.
Gravan
Profile Joined October 2010
59 Posts
September 14 2012 20:04 GMT
#2138
Oh, and as for my voting on Forumite, I defended my actions here already. I won't quote it, because...

Read my filter, damnit!
Gravan
Profile Joined October 2010
59 Posts
September 14 2012 20:18 GMT
#2141
On September 15 2012 05:12 Kreb wrote:
Mementoss/Gravan? Not considering switching?


Are you asking me if I am considering switching?
Gravan
Profile Joined October 2010
59 Posts
September 14 2012 20:20 GMT
#2143
On September 15 2012 05:19 Kreb wrote:
Well, ofc you are? But why arent you in that case?


Sorry, I am confused as to what you are getting at/trying to communicate.

Explain it to me like I am 5?
Gravan
Profile Joined October 2010
59 Posts
September 14 2012 20:24 GMT
#2145
I am leaving my vote on Shady because I am not necessarily convinced of the other voting prospects. I don't want another mislynch.

If BM or Rewok came up, I would consider it - but don't think switching to Mav is necessarily any better. If he is town (I am leaning that way) then lynching him is no better than lynching myself, really.
Gravan
Profile Joined October 2010
59 Posts
September 14 2012 20:27 GMT
#2146
Obviously the optimal thing for the town is to lynch mafia. However, if we really want to mislynch, I think I am a better mislynch as it will open up good information. As strange as that sounds.
Gravan
Profile Joined October 2010
59 Posts
September 14 2012 20:44 GMT
#2149
On September 15 2012 05:41 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 05:24 Gravan wrote:
I am leaving my vote on Shady because I am not necessarily convinced of the other voting prospects. I don't want another mislynch.

If BM or Rewok came up, I would consider it - but don't think switching to Mav is necessarily any better. If he is town (I am leaning that way) then lynching him is no better than lynching myself, really.


zzzzzzzzzzzzz you know your own alignment
so voting anyone out other than yourself if your town
has better chance of killing mafia if it comes to it



I guess you could say that I am all in on Shady, then.
Gravan
Profile Joined October 2010
59 Posts
September 14 2012 23:22 GMT
#2212
On September 15 2012 08:06 Shady Sands wrote:
In light of the S&B flip, I think Toad is scum, because Toad has continually tried to paint S&B as an assassin.

Based on this assassin read, Toad has used this as an excuse for himself to not pressure S&B or even mention him in the thread.

+ Show Spoiler [evidence] +
On September 11 2012 01:21 Toadesstern wrote:
Let's be honest here:

I think if we lynch into one of either Forumite, S&B, BM or Z-Boson we're going to hit "not-townie" all the way.
That's the reason I didn't want to talk about S&B because I suspected him to be an Assassin (you're welcome \o/ ).
If BM is Mafia Foru's got to be an Assassin (again, you're welcome \o/ ) and isn't actually mafia himself.
Foru basicly claimed he's playing cautious on purpose so that fits the Assassin as well.
Z-Boson and BM have some weird connection this day.
I really don't like how Boson gets in here telling people BM is confirmed because of the blue thing, on top of that he instantly finds another breadcrumb BM apparently did and the knowledge BM had about austin is supposed to make him somehow town when there's no way mafia would have shot a vig n1, even if they knew about one.

So if you take them all apart I'd be all up for lynching Forumite today.
If we're considering them as a whole I'd rather lynch Z-Boson.

I mentioned S&B as well but as I said, he's probably Assassin so noone should care about him right now unless we see another 3rd party flip and he's still kicking.

On September 13 2012 19:57 Toadesstern wrote:
I said either BM or Foru are mafia later on. Something like d2, n2 or d3 I guess? So that one would be the more updated read on BM but not sure if that still holds.
It was based on the "there has to be a mafia vet" assumption and forumite flipping green (=neither red nor black) pretty much destroyed that, or at least it now has an interesting twist to it:
As far as I know we don't actually know whether we've got Assassins in this game or not. If we have some it's highly likely that BM and S&B are those Assassins because hosts don't usually give 3rd party roles to new guys because they're hard to play. If that's the case we obviously don't have a mafia within those 2.
If we don't have Assassins to begin with we probably still have a mafia within those 2.

Not sure I want to take that gamble today.


Then shortly before he leaves, he tries to narrow town's options to anyone but S&B.

Show nested quote +
30 more minutes until I've got to leave. Shady Sands or Gravan?

That's more than three times over the past 2 votecycles. During (and before) those 2 votecycles, Toad was pushing BKE, Z-Boson, and Forumite, all of whom flipped town or blue.

Furthermore, look at who has questioned Toad over the game:

BKE
Hapa
Z-Boson

Notice a pattern? They're all dead.

TLDR: Toad has soft-defended S&B for awhile, pushed three straight townies for lynches, and anyone who made substantive cases on him has been NK'd.



Now onto my post about S&B.

I made that in the heat of the moment in my effort to get Gravan lynched. In retrospect, it looks scummy and stupid. That being said, I misread what S&B wrote about Gravan--I thought he was agreeing that Gravan was scum, when it is apparent now that S&B was actually soft-defending him.

Since I thought at the time that Gravan was scum, anyone who came out before a lynch was inevitable on Gravan and made noises about lynching him earned town points in my book. Now that S&B has flipped scum, I retract that and I think Gravan is just a bad town who other scum tried to latch upon. Grav's behavior, in particular, over the past few hours has been very townie and returns my read on him to null.

I have a few other players who look scummy to me:
Rewok
ShiaoPi
Mementoss
DarthPunk

I'm going to be looking through their filters and will get something out before the daypost.

Final note: in case this isn't obvious already, S&B lynch should serve as strong town-tells for Sloosh and Hopeless1der.


This really feels like scummy backtracking to me. Nothing that you used against me in your 'case' has changed. You haven't interacted with my defending myself at all - I think that you were hoping that by ignorning it i would get lynched anyway.

I really think you are trying to sweep your previous actions and suspicions under the rug, and changing them to whatever is convienent at the time. Other people have voiced some opinions on toad, so you are latchig right on.
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