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BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 02:44 GMT
#343
All the role information is in the OP as far as I know. nothing says the person does not know they are the nosy neighbor only that they do not know who they visit. If the VT role pm is any indication, people do not get any information in their role pm other than the name of their role.

If BC can point out how he knows 100% Mattchew is lying then he'd have a case but he won't even say it it's just a bad scum play, lynch him
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 02:44 GMT
#344
apparently we are all scum for not knowing this too lol
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 02:46 GMT
#345
1. Burden of proof is on you to prove mattchew is lying

2. whether or not it makes sense as a fakeclaim does not indicate his alignment whatsoever. your case is that you know 100% he is lying, ok and on what grounds can you support that? you haven't shown any so far

bad bc
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 02:51 GMT
#347
because the setup says everyone gets their role names and has to refer to the op to know what their role does, it just seems strange that in the description for nosy neighbor it's written as though it was meant for someone who knows they are a nosy neighbor

so no it is not 100% accurate, that's just your guess based on knowledge of past games.

2 easy solutions to this question:

1 . someone ask palmar

2. other nosy neighbors claim
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 02:57 GMT
#357
why do refuse to point it out yourself

if you're so right just point out the thing in the setup, go ahead, make a quote

don't play this bullshit "haha just figure it out for yourself and you'll see im right!"
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 02:57 GMT
#360
Roles and game specific rules



The role PMs will only include your role name. Refer to this post for information on how your role works.

Vanilla Townie

You are a regular townie, your only weapons are your voice and your vote.

Nosy Neighbour

You are a Nosy Neighbour. This means that you are basically vanilla town, except every night you will visit a random player in the game. You will not know whom you visited.


go ahead point it out
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 02:58 GMT
#363
On September 04 2012 11:57 Mattchew wrote:
he's trying to say he pm'd palmar

now he's making up fake scum motivations for your claim

not even really reading your post just cherrypicking and trying to push his fake case. hes scum.
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 03:05 GMT
#370
On September 04 2012 12:00 goodkarma wrote:
@BlackMamba:

Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 11:30 BlackMamba24 wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:03 goodkarma wrote:
Hey all

A couple general observations for what I've just read:


-I don't follow some of the voting that's already taken place in this thread. I don't get why some of us feel the need to vote for each other this early with little to no information to back a vote up. Imho, we should be working to establish a strong, pro-town atmosphere just as much as we are to find a lynch candidate for today.

-I remember Hapa saying this once before: lynching one of the most vocal members day one is typically not the best idea. Looking back at how NMM XXIV turned out (Shady's lynch), others here should agree with me that there's at least some evidence to support this. Town loses so much more from a mislynch of a vocal town than of a semi-lurker, and, at least in my experience, you're much more likely to lynch a town than a scum when you target the most vocal day one player.

I'm not going to assume that sloosh is town at this point, but the effort he's taken to pressure others with his posts is definitely conducive towards a pro-town atmosphere. Along those lines, I feel that Z-Boson's early vote on sloosh could very well be scum motivated. I disagree that sloosh's discussion is unhelpful. Maybe scum or town could pressure people like sloosh has, but he's pushing for more information so he's not stuck making a weak case against others, as Z-Boson has with sloosh:

##FoS: Z-Boson


Can you explain why it's scum motivated? Why does scum want sloosh out of the game when all he's doing is arguing with Toadesstern and asking dumb questions



First, I'd like to specify that asking questions that get others to discuss their reads on other players, or to defend themselves for something suspicious said in their posts, is not "dumb." I in fact find it suspicious from a townie perspective to call many of the lines of questioning recently presented in this thread as "dumb," since so far most of it has produced productive discussion. From a scum perspective, though, a statement like this does make sense. Scum has the knowledge of who is and isn't scum, so to them watching people they know to be town attacking each other could look pretty "dumb."

Second, at the time I posted that sloosh was one of the most outspoken people in the game. From a scum perspective, it would make sense to remove an outspoken person day one. Especially if said person was furthering discussion by poking and prodding others with a lot of questions.


While we're at it, I'd like to ask about this:

Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 11:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Anyway - ##vote BloodyC0bbler. Nosy Neigbor specifies that you will not know who you visited, not "you will not know that you are the nosy neighbor" which implies that they would at least know they are the nosy neighbor.

Nosy Neighbor makes a lot of sense as a scum fakeclaim it's probably what I would claim if I had to and thinking about SNB from Death Note mafia I have no reason to implicitly trust mattchew but the fact that you're throwing suspicion on him this early and this stupidly is completely consistent with your scum meta so bye



What's with the vote for BloodyCobbler? He's pretty much a lurker at this point, but you're voting him for non-policy reasons... This feels like a scum getting behind a safe lurker lynch vote, at least at the time you wrote it (it just came to my attention as I'm about to post this that another page of postings have taken place, and cobbler has just made another post...)... My guess is this is a pressure vote, but I would appreciate a bit more of an explanation if you could provide it.


because BC is full of shit and also making up stuff mattchew never said

i'll never policy vote, i hate even reading the words next to each other

i respectfully disagree about sloosh and how productive he has been but i'm not going to argue about it. i won't say anything about my read on him or toadesstern right now.

hope that satisfies you
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 03:06 GMT
#373
On September 04 2012 12:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 11:58 BlackMamba24 wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:57 Mattchew wrote:
he's trying to say he pm'd palmar

now he's making up fake scum motivations for your claim

not even really reading your post just cherrypicking and trying to push his fake case. hes scum.



Yes, the liar is town and the not liar is scum. Drh Logic ftw. Now people know why I play less, because logic doesn't exist here.

You are right, I did misread his post for that I apologize, i skimmed saw what I thought was bs and posted on it. He still clearly lied. Give me a town motivation for lying at this stage in the game drH. Please tell me what a townie gets from lying about his role this early into the game.


here we go

prove he's lying or shut up and get lynched

if it's so obvious why have you gone this long without providing any evidence or any information from the setup at all that proves he is lying 100% as you claim

why is it that no one believes you if it's that obvious. we must just all be "stupid" right. stop pretending to be frustrated, if we're dumb explain it to us and play to win.
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 03:07 GMT
#374
On September 04 2012 12:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 12:04 Mattchew wrote:
On September 04 2012 12:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:58 BlackMamba24 wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:57 Mattchew wrote:
he's trying to say he pm'd palmar

now he's making up fake scum motivations for your claim

not even really reading your post just cherrypicking and trying to push his fake case. hes scum.



Yes, the liar is town and the not liar is scum. Drh Logic ftw. Now people know why I play less, because logic doesn't exist here.

You are right, I did misread his post for that I apologize, i skimmed saw what I thought was bs and posted on it. He still clearly lied. Give me a town motivation for lying at this stage in the game drH. Please tell me what a townie gets from lying about his role this early into the game.

devils advocate answers:

vanilla trying to look blue and draw a shot

blue trying to look vanilla



No mafia will shoot a nosy neighbor and any vig who does is stupid, blue trying to look vanilla would claim vanilla. You don't claim miller. Miller is a mafia claim to explain why they do shit at night. Pre claiming is to add "legitimacy to it"

i agree with this i'm surprised you didn't point out why this was the good mafia claim instead of making stuff up about how he's trying to draw out blue claims

can you prove he's lying now or are you done making a fool of yourself
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 03:20 GMT
#384
On September 04 2012 12:17 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 03:03 Palmar wrote:

Questions
All questions should be PMd to the moderator. You are not allowed to say in thread you’re going to ask the moderator something, and you are not allowed to share your answer with the thread. If the question is a clarification all town needs to know, I will simply post an announcement in the thread.

Do not ask questions in the thread once the game has started (you can do it during sign-ups).



this is what BC is trying to say are you all this dumb?


right, so if he gets the information from the mod we all should be able to do that as well

i mean if i pm the host and get the answer that nosy neighbor isn't aware then i'll be voting for you too so
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 03:20 GMT
#385
On September 04 2012 12:17 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 12:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On September 04 2012 12:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 04 2012 11:57 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Roles and game specific rules



The role PMs will only include your role name. Refer to this post for information on how your role works.

Vanilla Townie

You are a regular townie, your only weapons are your voice and your vote.

Nosy Neighbour

You are a Nosy Neighbour. This means that you are basically vanilla town, except every night you will visit a random player in the game. You will not know whom you visited.


go ahead point it out


BC clearly stated that he is making an assumption based on his experience with previous games. This discussion is pointless until someone hears from a mod.



It isnt an assumption.


Well Then, Provide evidence that is not based on assuming this game operates in the same manner that previous games have.

@BlackMamba

I think that BC is wrong to misrepresent something as factual when it clearly is not. But that is not alignment indicative necessarily. He seems more like a townie than anything.

If this is scum BC trying to get a Mislynch day one it has backfired spectacularly and would even more so when Mattchew flipped. It would be an extremely short sighted play.


he's misrepresenting him intentionally, that's scummy
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 03:49 GMT
#393
Well, I'll be withdrawing my vote or FoS from BC until I get some form of confirmation about the role. Until then, please by all means everyone continue arguing about this.
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 03:50 GMT
#394
On September 04 2012 12:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 12:35 Hapahauli wrote:
@ BC

Regarding the "Nosy Neighbor" claim, I just can't see mafia doing that. If the role isn't self-aware as you suggest, aren't you just shooting yourself in the foot from a mafia perspective? Because if no one else claims, you get auto-lynched.


Conversely what would a townie gain from lying about Being a Nosy Neighbour? This argument works both ways and thus has little value. If NN are not self aware it looks pretty bad for Mattchew.

and vice-versa. Town is actually in a great spot now because there has been a major split and the fact that no one is backing BC up by now has made me feel suspicious. If we can confirm this objectively in a matter of time, I think quite a few scum will be getting the noose.
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 03:50 GMT
#395
There are a few other odd things i've noticed since cooling down (I wonder if you noticed it too BC assuming you're not lying) but I have to wait until I know for sure so whenever I know what BC knows I'll lay the smack down I guess
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 04:03 GMT
#399
On September 04 2012 13:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 12:50 BlackMamba24 wrote:
On September 04 2012 12:47 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 04 2012 12:35 Hapahauli wrote:
@ BC

Regarding the "Nosy Neighbor" claim, I just can't see mafia doing that. If the role isn't self-aware as you suggest, aren't you just shooting yourself in the foot from a mafia perspective? Because if no one else claims, you get auto-lynched.


Conversely what would a townie gain from lying about Being a Nosy Neighbour? This argument works both ways and thus has little value. If NN are not self aware it looks pretty bad for Mattchew.

and vice-versa. Town is actually in a great spot now because there has been a major split and the fact that no one is backing BC up by now has made me feel suspicious. If we can confirm this objectively in a matter of time, I think quite a few scum will be getting the noose.


Vice versa somewhat. I think it looks worse for Mattchew to be caught lying than for BC to have pushed for a lynch he obviously 100% believes in.

One of them is lying. I've come to suspect it's probably Mattchew but there's no grey area for either of them at this point.
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 05:33 GMT
#405
I see nosy neighbor claiming nosy neighbor, there's no reason to vote for anyone until it can be confirmed that he is lying. Unfortunately, BC's word doesn't cut it.
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 06:47 GMT
#408
congrats rewok you just madet he most useless post ive ever seen

no one needs to know your "reads". no one cares or should care.
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 06:50 GMT
#409
I'm not sure the mafia would be stupid enough to let you post something that bad and scummy so I'm going to assume you're brand new. Basically, lists of reads are useless because it reveals nothing about you because you're not weighing in on anything pertinent to current town arguments/bandwagons and it doesn't pressure anybody. You actually posted so much Ic an bet almost everyone isn't going to read your whole post so you can say basically whatever you want and pretend you're contributing. You also make a lot of predictions/plans about your own play that are completely irrelevant, no one needs to know any of that shit except you, it makes you look like a scared scum trying to look useful.

But usually players that come out of newbie games seem to always do this same thing so idrk i'm just waiting until this mattchew/bc gets some objectivity on my end. anyway don't post anymore unless you have an actual argument or some pressure to apply. can you explain how a giant list of empty reads and summaries is helpful to anyone
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 06:52 GMT
#410
also you simultaneously call me probably town but then say that's a null read?

some vigilante hit this dude tonight
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