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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 10:37 GMT
#437
austinmc aka autismnc
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 10:40 GMT
#438
@Milton another good catch. Notice the interaction with Doyouhas? Seems like scum coaching. "Hey, your vote on BM sucks"

We may have caught 4 scum on d1
that'd be remarkable
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 10:55 GMT
#441
ahhh, man, i just thought I could clear blackmamba and myself via vigilante talk...
i just realized MAFIA HAVE A VIG TOO? ASSUMING it's in the game
i was looking to see if we had a double lynch, but then i guess i should be just trying to break the setup. it would require people to go out on a limb, and I don't want that yet, so i won't propose any ideas until we have consolidated better

current lynch: Mattchew - Reasoning: Claimed a role he can't possibly know he is...
100% logical - 50% he's trolling? doubtful. Positive chance of lynching mafia. If he was blue, I feel like he would have claimed by now. If not, well, he's not playing to the town, and he's showboating... nobody likes a showboat.
Maverick had a bad defense of Mattchew's claim. Now, this wasn't just defending Matt for him to build cred, it was defending a claim that any sane person who was a part of this town would be all over. If he's town, I don't want him in lylo. I urge the vig to take action tonight... maybe even an n-word. This guy could easily be a ninjuitsu. awful. Mafia claiming townie is one thing, but who wants to be in a position of the town we are a part of having to let people off.......?

weigh in on this theory: townies who are found visiting people as nosy neighbors claim tracker?

new FoS presented: Hapahauli. Milton catches him using the word scummy in a way you'd not want to use as town. Admitting something you've done is scummy is one thing, like I did, but the way Hapa used this makes me want to scream scum. His interaction with my 1st suspect Doyouhas is also pretty bad.

Doyouhas looks like he is bussing mattchew to me. He tried to get a quick wagon on a good player (me) who is also a policy lynch (i am... i lurk... play scummy as shit as town... etc) seems like something someone would do with a scum agenda.

Too long, didn't read: FOS Hap, Mav, DYH from thread
prefer to lynch Hap tomorrow ... vig on mav as BlackMamba said


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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 10:56 GMT
#442
On September 04 2012 19:45 Ottoxlol wrote:
@Brood
Well I am EU, so when the game started at 0:30 I wrote a joke about lurkers, you shouldn't take the first couple of posts seriously come on man. Then I went to sleep. Also I had no idea on what stance to take on the whole sloosh vs Toad thingy so I am waiting on my scumbuddies to tell me what to say.

Meh, last game I was one of the main pushers for the d1 claim lynch and that didn't work out in the end.

Town-Mattchew would claim Nosy Neighbour if he what ??
Scum-Mattchew would claim Nosy Neighbour for what ?
I have seriously no clue, someone help me

he messed up and didnt realize nosy neighbors didnt get role pms as nosy neighbors
he slipped
scumslip
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 11:53 GMT
#445
as per 3 I don't see it from a townie perspective
if he's blue he shouldn't have claimed on day 1.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 11:53 GMT
#446
going to bed as well...
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 20:42 GMT
#513
got a little bit to catch up on, but i'm too busy right now - eating subway, have a friend coming over, and am going fishing with my neighbors. all of this may fall through, and i could be stuck with you guys. however, we have a lynch decided, and i have been keeping an eye on the scum interactions (or what i think to be) in the thread, comprising a shortlist (check my filter)
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 20:42 GMT
#514
HURRAY 6K
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 20:44 GMT
#515
BC says coaching is scum

bc coaches grush in the same post
*facepalm* smh
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 20:45 GMT
#516
however, I don't think BC is scum, and I feel it is because he has a townread on grush, so it is pretty null. it's just awkward.

so is this.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 20:48 GMT
#517
On September 05 2012 00:33 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 19:55 Bill Murray wrote:
ahhh, man, i just thought I could clear blackmamba and myself via vigilante talk...
i just realized MAFIA HAVE A VIG TOO? ASSUMING it's in the game
i was looking to see if we had a double lynch, but then i guess i should be just trying to break the setup. it would require people to go out on a limb, and I don't want that yet, so i won't propose any ideas until we have consolidated better

current lynch: Mattchew - Reasoning: Claimed a role he can't possibly know he is...
100% logical - 50% he's trolling? doubtful. Positive chance of lynching mafia. If he was blue, I feel like he would have claimed by now. If not, well, he's not playing to the town, and he's showboating... nobody likes a showboat.
Maverick had a bad defense of Mattchew's claim. Now, this wasn't just defending Matt for him to build cred, it was defending a claim that any sane person who was a part of this town would be all over. If he's town, I don't want him in lylo. I urge the vig to take action tonight... maybe even an n-word. This guy could easily be a ninjuitsu. awful. Mafia claiming townie is one thing, but who wants to be in a position of the town we are a part of having to let people off.......?

weigh in on this theory: townies who are found visiting people as nosy neighbors claim tracker?

new FoS presented: Hapahauli. Milton catches him using the word scummy in a way you'd not want to use as town. Admitting something you've done is scummy is one thing, like I did, but the way Hapa used this makes me want to scream scum. His interaction with my 1st suspect Doyouhas is also pretty bad.

Doyouhas looks like he is bussing mattchew to me. He tried to get a quick wagon on a good player (me) who is also a policy lynch (i am... i lurk... play scummy as shit as town... etc) seems like something someone would do with a scum agenda.

Too long, didn't read: FOS Hap, Mav, DYH from thread
prefer to lynch Hap tomorrow ... vig on mav as BlackMamba said




Hey BM - are you proposing that nosy neighbors should do this in the future? That sounds like a terrible policy, it basically sets up a free claim for scum who get caught doing scummy stuff - especially for ninjas using their ninja DT checks.

i'm not saying we won't be potentially lynching trackers
keeping scum on a leash having to claim every day who they tracked, where they went, etc?
how is that a bad idea?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 20:49 GMT
#519
i mean generally
1) maf don't read the thread as much
2) maf will lie and claim townie(OR NOSY NEIGHBOR LOL) because there are nosy neighbors [see: mattchew]
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 20:51 GMT
#521
On September 05 2012 05:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 04:20 Miltonkram wrote:
On September 04 2012 20:59 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 04 2012 19:29 Miltonkram wrote:
Now that we're 99% sure Mattchew is scum I'd like everyone to turn their attention to Hapahauli.
On September 04 2012 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
As for an early-game scumread, I'm suspicious of DarthPunk.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&currentpage=15#285

In his only substantial post, he's very critical of the early-game play of two players. He calls mattchew's vote "retarded" but doesn't attempt to say if it's scummy or not. He doesn't ask questions about their motives - he's just critical, and that seems scummy to me.

##Vote DarthPunk

He chainsaw defends Mattchew after Mattchew recieves pressure from DarthPunk. All the while he avoids actually commenting whether he thinks Mattchew seems guilty or not.

Then he spends time needling the conversation to a point where DarthPunk is willing to unvote Mattchew until BC comes in and blows that shit up (like a bauss).

Other than that he's been plenty forthcoming with town reads, but he has yet to seriously pursue a scum read.


I'd like everyone to turn to Miltonkram for straight up lying about post history. This would be the biggest pile of crap I've seen in the thread if it wasn't for the Mattchew fake-claim. Scum coming in late and trying to make the best of a bad situation IMO.

Then he spends time needling the conversation to a point where DarthPunk is willing to unvote Mattchew until BC comes in and blows that shit up (like a bauss).


At that point in the game, DarthPunk hadn't voted for mattchew yet. DarthPunk never votes until Palmar confirms the lie.

Looks like we have scum #2 - using misinformation to make a key component of his "case" stronger.

Or I just thought DarthPunk had voted for Mattchew already. My mistake. He had put pressure on Mattchew though and thus I would call Hapahauli's attack on DarthPunk a chainsaw defense. If you look at the back and forth between Hapa and Darth you see that Hapa backs off only when Darth starts backing off from Mattchew.
On September 04 2012 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 04 2012 10:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Okay this is getting nowhere fast. Howbout this - other than being "retarded", does it make you lean one way or another toward Mattchew's alignment?


As to Mattchews alignment. He claimed Nosy neighbour. As far as I am concerned if he is not a nosy neighbour it will become apparent over time if he was lying. So I would like to take a wait and see approach. I don't feel like his posts are pro town. Perhaps I am missing things and it is going over my head. But clarity and Transparency are preferable to what has been going on during the last few pages.


That's fair. Your responses seem townie enough - I'd ##unvote if votes in this thread actually counted =P

This sticks out to me because it tells me that Hapa's goal was not to pressure Darth, but to take pressure off of Mattchew. What had Darth done to deserve the BOTD from Hapa?



I may be blind here, but where did Darth seriously push mattchew? I see him point out voting for someone who distrusted the claim as retarded and happa jump on him for it. Would that mean everyone who called me a liar for calling mattchews claim bullshit chain saw defending him?

I honestly do not see this case you are seeing, I see two people moderately arguing over a choice of wording being in this case "retarded".

Everything I can see (maybe my dyslexia is kicking in here) is that they argued over poor word choice and darth never stood down from his opinion, nor did happa. They commented on word choice, it was explained out by both people and once discussed they moved on.

I honestly think unless you can provide me any real analysis here a new case as I just do not see or comprehend what you do here.

I see. See, what is happening here is both distancing and trying to divert the wagon. Hapahauli also has scummy interaction with Doyouhas in the said suspicious post. Doyouhas's vote on me early reeks of scum pushing policy on town

feels like a bus... Hapahauli has bad language use which makes him look like scum.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 20:52 GMT
#523
On September 05 2012 05:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 05:41 Gravan wrote:
This post is passive and is just here to give you guys some information about me.

I am reading through all the filters and will be making a real contributive post sometime soon. I haven't been keeping up with this thread as well as I ought to have. For some reason, I can't seem to access the voting link from my phone - I am trying to work out when the vote is due, but I will be submitting one in a few hours after reading and pondering, once I get back to my computer. I hope I am not missing a deadline because I really would not like to be modkilled so early on.

I am done traveling after today, so I will be properly active very shortly. Sorry for lurking and not contributing.

Again, sorry for the spam, hello and expect to start hearing from me.



You have one cycle. If you fail to contribute into the night period you should be vigi'd for not following through on your promise.


All vigi's / hatters mark this target, if he fails to contribute please deal with him.

I disagree. His post feels sincere to me. He is letting us know why he hasn't been posting, is apologetic, and truly American.

I don't even care if he's European, dammit, he's acting American. It doesn't matter where he's from.

Why would you want to vig him for this, when you have people like Maverick defending Mattchew?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 20:53 GMT
#524
On September 05 2012 05:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 05:44 Bill Murray wrote:
BC says coaching is scum

bc coaches grush in the same post
*facepalm* smh


not so much coaching as it is me saying that I am watching him

I have to explain my reasoning to people or I get auto attacked remember?

i play support; i rarely auto attack LOL
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 20:57 GMT
#525
On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.




The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.

That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway.

check this scummy post from forumite
1) misreads the setup
2) attacks him with a smirk for the claim, which looks scummy as shit
3) takes the visiting thing a step further, saying "if they die" which clears a ton of scum roles... forumite is scum with a role
FoS: Forumite
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 20:58 GMT
#526
oh, yeah, add rolefishing to a claim, and the "why would you do this?!" or claim this, or whatever he said, seems like scum mad at his partner being stupid
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 05:38 GMT
#652
No, Forumite. I don't see how you get that whatsoever. I see you as being scum with Mattchew for not jumping on voting him there.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 10:08 GMT
#657
Milton's backtracking of his read has him slipping down from my list of town I'm mentally keeping
was pretty null before

but, yes, I'd love to explain, Milt. You see, when people coach others on their play without suspicion, it looks like they're buddying. You're buddying hapa right now even calling him null.

He did the same thing with Doyouhas, who I obviously don't like for his previous vote on me.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2012 11:51 GMT
#660
i dont care what matt's role is at this point
his original post is either a slip, or trolling
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