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On August 25 2012 04:50 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 02:42 Shady Sands wrote:
I don't believe the JK claim. That's why I voted Kush. If you don't believe the claim, then you should pretty much auto-vote him. But that doesn't mean I think there's more to talk about with Kush than there is with Lvdr. Does that make sense? So basically you started accusing lvdr after he began to accuse you. I see this as you just trying to save yourself and again turn the focus on others. Tell me who to save and I will do it to prove that I am jk.
Pick the person yourself and claim who it is ~5 minutes before deadline. (so scum don't have time to react)
That person can just tell us if he was jailed afterwards.
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On August 25 2012 05:05 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 04:50 kushm4sta wrote:On August 25 2012 02:42 Shady Sands wrote:
I don't believe the JK claim. That's why I voted Kush. If you don't believe the claim, then you should pretty much auto-vote him. But that doesn't mean I think there's more to talk about with Kush than there is with Lvdr. Does that make sense? So basically you started accusing lvdr after he began to accuse you. I see this as you just trying to save yourself and again turn the focus on others. Tell me who to save and I will do it to prove that I am jk. Pick the person yourself and claim who it is ~5 minutes before deadline. (so scum don't have time to react) That person can just tell us if he was jailed afterwards.
EBWOP: That's what I'd do at least.
Well, not exactly, I wouldn't claim JK in the first 24 hours at all, but you know what I mean.
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@Lvdr:
@Shady:
It really seems to me like you are carrying over an existing argument/exchange from another ongoing mafia game.
I guess it's pretty hard to do (and coincidentially the reason I won't sign up for multiple games, ever), but please try to seperate this game from the other one.
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On August 25 2012 10:22 kushm4sta wrote:
I thinly spaghettis reasoning is exactly what I was trying to say. It makes no sense to vote for me after I roleclaimed, which is why shady voting for me instantly is the most suspicious thing any of us have dome yet. Therefore shady should be suspect number 1.
Your claim was really, really terrible. Just saying.
And I find it interesting that you feel the need to bring this up again, after literally EVERYBODY thinks we should concentrate on other things by now. You should be happy with that instead.
Meh, I'm really tired and getting...cranky, I guess. Gotta go to sleep now.
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I will be gone for the next few hours too - I didn't have time to read the thread yet, so I can't really comment right now.
I will be back (well) before the deadline.
Sorry
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Okay, I'm here and going to post my current opinions.
Sorry I was pretty busy the last days, I would have liked to be more active too.
Bigger post coming soon(tm)
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To start things off, responding to lvdr's case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=15#285
Dandel Ion is one of the most experienced players in this game, yet he has also been one of the most lurky. He has offered almost nothing but filler posts to appear active while doing basically no scumhunting. He is much too experienced to be as passive as he has been. The only time he has offered a FOS it has been to lightly suspect me, at a time when it was EXTREMELY safe to do so.
This is a flat out lie.
I have played a SINGLE game of mafia so far. (not counting the half-day that got restarted)
lvdr, shady and mkfuba have all played more games, thrawn just as many.
I didn't really push anyone but you yet, since all the "cases" so far were pretty much just screaming "bad newbie" to me, instead of "scum". Then there was you VS Shady, which I consider to have not much to do with this game.
Well, since that is the extent of your case, I consider it adressed.
Since you all seem to want my reads, here we go. (thoughts on other people coming after this, I'm getting pretty annoyed by the whole OMGOMG I'M WAITING FOR HIS POST, so I just decided to split it up.)
WeeTee: The extent of his first ~10 posts was either 1) insulting people, 2) not contributing or 3) both.
His last post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=14#266) reads to me like he's just trying to secure a lynch on somebody else, no matter who it is
I will put a
FoS on Alsn for this
But it is undeniable that kushm4sta is rubbing everyone the wrong way.
Let me know what you think about Alsn Fos-ing Kush,
Does Alsn see an easy opportunity to take someone out?
and why is he the only one that chirped up for the obvious?
In an earlier post, he FoS'd Alsn for going for the "easy lynch". Behold, just a little later he is doing the SAME thing, to the SAME person.
Even though he soft-defended him earlier.
The only other thing he has done so far is argue with thrawn.
He's not contributing and contradicting his own words.
Thus, Weetee is my strongest scum read at the moment
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EBWOP: Also,
##Vote WeeTee
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Town reads:
Alsn is my strongest town read at the moment. Posts well thought-out cases, seems to think about the game, nothing even remotely scummy. Just good play.
thrawn is being very active, but doesn't do "that much" actual scum-hunting. "that much" means in relation to his post-count. He did contribute though, and I get a solid town read on him.
mkfuba has been relatively quiet compared to thrawn/Alsn/lvdr, but he has contributed, and not shown flaws of logic. most likely town.
Spag has been the least active of those, in terms of posts. But I don't see anything in his posts that suggests he's scum. They also had good quality. Out of my town reads, he's closest to being a null-read, but I think it more likely he's town. About 60 : 40 if you don't mind me putting it in %.
Null reads:
Shady seems quick to jump onto people, for seemingly no strong reason. (This is actually indicative of his town "meta", when he was scum against me in XXIII, he was far more hesitant and reserved. I don't put too much stock into meta in general though) Had a big argument with lvdr for no apparant reason, except that they most likely carried the argument over from the other game. I don't like it, but I don't think it's scummy per se.
kush: I am reserving what to think about him until day 2. It's useless to speculate on him now, we'll see if his claim holds true or not. There's no rush here.
For the record, I don't and didn't believe him. It's a possibility, but I'm not buying it yet. But since he is a terrible day 1 lynch, I won't vote him.
lvdr's interactions with Shady are null to me, as I already outlined. He's been active and tried to keep the discussion alive day 1, which would be good for town, but he's done it in a... weird way, like his whole "shady is town" spiel at the start. I wouldn't be confident about him one way or the other.
As I write this, he's trying very hard to get my lynched. Maybe I'll have to change my judgement on him very soon, but for now I'll leave what I wrote in.
That leaves WeeTee as my only scum read atm.
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On August 26 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I think we can safely bandwagon onto Dandel now. Please lynch I take full responsibility!!
First of all, dandel tries to claim my case is mostly about experience or meta reads. Let me be clear: Dandel's filter has HARDCORE LURKING in it. Scummy, mafia, lurking.
Second, I think a good case has been laid out for WeeTee being a BAD choice of D1 lynch. Dandel's vote here is essentially 'I pick the more scummy of kush vs. WeeTee.' This also SCREAMS mafia. Also, if you read the end of Newbie III D1 (second time around) you see that Dandel is capable of decisive action towards a quality lynch for town. WeeTee is not a quality lynch!
Are you even reading my responses?
It was 2 paragraphs:
1 saying you LIED about the experience thing.
1 saying I didn't HAVE strong reads to push. just "bad-town" reads. I was also too busy to spam this thread with useless posts like you did, hence why I'm "Lurking"
Make up your mind. You attack some for being too fast to push for easy and obvious lynches, you attack me for not pushing easy and obvious lynches.
I think you are trying very hard to cover up your blatant lie with your spam right now. And I can't see a town motivation for that.
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On August 26 2012 04:09 Lvdr wrote:
Dandel had to make a pick for his vote. Kush and WeeTee have been two of the most scrutinized players, and they are by far the most obvious and non-controversial targets. He needs to provide a better lynch target than himself and those two are the major possibilities.
Kush is not an option for me day 1. It'd be far better to leave him until day 2. I don't wanna risk him being the JK, no matter how small I think this risk is. (and as I said, I do think it small)
weetee is my ONLY real option right now, apart from maybe shady or you.
I ain't gonna vote my town reads. And I'd much rather vote a scum read, than a null read.
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lvdr, why are you tunneling me so hard?
I really don't get it.
You spew a bunch of baseless accusations, and even lie. All your recent posts are just one-liners how "we NEEEEED to lynch Dandel"
You ingore what I say, or you twist my posts into fitting your agenda.
For what? to defend WeeTee?
Why is it so important to you that Wee stays alive?
I think you are trying to "defend" him by pushing to lynch me instead. I think you 2 are a scumteam. Since Wee is obviously not present. Or he's just content to let YOU do your thing.
Give me some reasons for tunneling me, apart from supposedly "lurking".
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I told you guys beforehand in the thread that I was gonna be busy today.
I just didn't have time to post my reads yet, and in the beginning, I didn't have reads I felt like I could push yet.
You're lynching me for being busy, and because Lvdr MADE UP arguments.
I don't get how you people DON'T find it's suspicious that he needs to lie to make a case.
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As I said, I think Weetee is leaving his defense to lvdr.
I suspect him to still be here and lurking, so he can last-minute switch to me....
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On August 26 2012 06:00 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 05:04 kushm4sta wrote:On August 26 2012 05:00 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 26 2012 04:58 Lvdr wrote:
Also, I am still super disappointed that people are just missing at the key lynch time. Yeah i'm kinda irritated at shady, he was super active then goes afk from the thread. Dude shadys is hella mafia you will realize this soon. Also if WeeTee is mafia it will also be easy because he plays pretty bad. So I guess I will cave to the pressure and vote dandel ion ##vote dandel ion He sheeps onto Dandel and then goes AFK from thread. But Lvdr doesn't attack him. What?
Because Lvdr think's I'm scum I presume.
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Meh.
Work just cut into my freetime like knife into butter.
I didn't know it would, or I wouldn't have signed up in the first place. But now I'm here.
I'll have about ~2 hours of time today in the evening. And probably the same amount for the rest of the week.
Not that I expect this time will help any, with how it looks. So I'm just gonna play GW2 for most of that. I'd much rather do that anyways. If my best fucking efforts to still be active despite everything are still not enough, no need to bother.
Usually the sensible thing would be getting replaced I guess, but the replacement would just get lynched day 2 too, so no need to bother, hm?
A dick move?
Yeah. But I don't care anymore.
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It's not that I'm getting pressured.
I really have shit to do, believe it or not.
If you want me to pz out and get replaced, I can do it. But I don't see the point.
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eeh, guess I'm gonna ask for a replacement.
Don't think it'll do shit, but w/e you guys want.
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My reads before the flip:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=16#314
Pretty much the same now, except that Lvdr has lied on multiple occasions now.
It's puzzeling that nobody seems to have a problem with that, but w/e.
I don't believe kush's claim, and somebody asked me why I didn't vote for him then. It should be a no-brainer, but:
If he isn't JK, it's gonna come out after night 1.
If he is, we have a JK.
No matter how small I find the possibility, lynching kush day 1 would have been the worst play in fucking history, and I may be a lot of things, but I'm not THAT much of a moron.
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