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I thoguht lvdr legitimately slipped d1 but then after re-reading it I decided I was probably wrong about that part.
but then this from today is kinda funny:
On August 26 2012 14:33 Lvdr wrote:Hmm my read on chez is that he is engaged in the game. His voting patterns look pretty pro-town (extremely active at deadline, seems to be trying to find a good lynch even if he doesn't actually state reasoning) Unfortunately it is very hard (at least for me) to read a troll player. YourHarry's scum game was deadly effective, and it doesn't seem that a troll townie could be all that useful to the town. Not sure why he voted for me, but hopefully there is an explanation at the other end of the rainbow. That being said, I think a vigi shot could be a good call at this point. Does the town know who made the shotRegarding talis, I would give him no better than a null read. 2 points that stuck out to me. 1. The activity is quite low, and not particularly filled with content. I wouldn't call it downright scummy though. 2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=25#497This post latches on to a stretch of a case, complete agreement, no further points made, never revisited beyond his initial AHA moment. Maybe I've talked myself into a scum-read. I have to see how I feel after some-more activity.
On August 29 2012 14:08 Lvdr wrote:
I like my previous read on talis being scum. Also, I disappeared mainly because (as you noted) I was extremely involved in the other game, esp coming down to lynch deadlines, and I was unable to deal with shady because I was mad at him (oops).
The lack of activity makes me really uncomfortable. Also, it may be a cross game gambit, but Shady's actions here seem similar to those in the other game (where he flipped scum). I keep getting a "He is either really bad town or clumsy scum" read across the two games.
I would say lets just lynch him, but I don't think thats actually good play.
Hence, ##vote:Talismania
classic scum forgetting what he wrote earlier.
##vote:lvdr
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I do hate playing scum and prefer town of course. That said what I wrote stands - I didn't get into this game because it was so normal from the beginning. Usually there's like a little setup juice (masons or something) for me to make a dumb plan off of going in (and you can't deny that I do that). Here there was nothing going on except palmar's let's rando-lynch thing. Plus I've been busy as shit with work stuff and everything. Plus plus I don't really know anyone in the game except you and formerly VE. Dunno stuff just hindering my ability to really really care and try superhard like madmen.
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On August 30 2012 05:05 marvellosity wrote:
talis' defence is
"i don't give a shit about this game"
brilliant.
Lynch this guy.
to be honest it hasn't seemed like you've cared much either. or anyone else except maybe shady. sometimes games get like this.
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On August 30 2012 05:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 05:10 Shady Sands wrote:On August 30 2012 05:04 marvellosity wrote:
Shady you're so dumb sometimes Jeez Marv. I just posted my interpretation of Talis' actions. Why don't you post your interpretation of how Lvdr could forget his own fucking read on someone? he said null. then he listed a couple of things he found scummy and said maybe he'd talked himself into a scumread. Later he said he was scum. Fairly obvious progression. it's in the fucking quotes you pasted. talis, I have 11 pages of filter despite being away for the weekend. Screw you about me "not caring".
it's one thing to say "ok now that he's done some stuff I now think he's scum" and quite another to say "I agree with myself previously when I said he was scum". One is a progression, the other is forgetting what he wrote.
also you always have long filters marv. but why is it that shady seems more like a town leader than you?
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alright so I guess I'm losing this for town but here goes anyway. tomorrow will be my gf's birthday and I won't be around to fight.
1) All anyone seems to have on me is that I have been inactive. I have been inactive. I have also been busy. Because I am busy, I am inactive. I even said pre-game that I thought I wouldn't be able to be as active as I was in mad men and I even I underestimated how much shit I would have to do then.
2) If I'm scum the NKs don't make sense. Why do I kill BL, who had a townish read on me coming into this lylo situation? Why is marv still alive, when he's been gunning for me forever? Milton wasn't on my case either - why him and not shady, for instance?
3) DJ is one of the scum. Pregame - spammy, eager. During the game - composed, longer posts, less active. Day one - first post is a giant commentary on nothing. All thread response and talk about palmar's randokill thing, the perfect topic for scum to talk about in order to look like they're contributing without doing so. Many of his day one posts are nothing but following the way the wind blows. Obvious comes up, he'll look into him. Marv votes kville? DJ will go for kville as a lurker. Etc. Day two - the lvdr and bait debacle. He votes for lvdr because he supposedly thinks he's scum and if he's not suspects that a wagon on him will draw out real scum. Nevermind that this is a stupid way to trap scum in the first place, it's also likely he invented his explanation for the sequence of events posthoc. Day three - after catching me in his trap (somehow? I vote at the end of day two without even reading and saw he had four votes and I was already suspicious of him), he completely reverts his vote off me, happy to lynch lvdr:
On August 30 2012 05:17 Djagulingu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Lvdr
From one of my top scum reads to another. I'm going to bed now, it's 11 PM here and I got work tomorrow, shift starts 3 hours after voting deadline.
Uh, look at his filter going backwards from this post. Lvdr was nowhere near the top of his list near as I can tell. It was me, chezinu, maybe iamp. This is scum opportunism.
4) Marv is one of the scum. VE was right about him. He should be more in charge than he is. He has pushed me nonstop on the basis of nothing but meta. If he were town, I can't see him being like "oh let's do this and lynch talismania" at lylo. He may feel very strongly about me, but he would pressure everyone else in town to get their reads on everyone. He would carefully consider his options. His confidence in my lynch is misplaced for what it should be. This goes for DJ as well. Contrast this with how iamp and shady are actually thinking about things before they make up their minds and whatnot for example. Leads into my last point:
5) People this is the end of the game. Think carefully about what you're doing.
##vote: dj
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Marv shouldn't have been that hard to see lol. He is Marv. He is a town leader. He was clearly underperforming his town play.
Biggest problem was that all the townies didn't know the vet's meta and didn't respect the idea of meta in the first place. I was supposed to be lynched day two. If the deadline wasn't so late we would have won with a last minute vote switch day four and had a perfect game.
Ve having to sub out was a blow as well.
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also townies need to remember to think about things from scum's POV. They never realized that I'm a lot smarter than I was playing, if I was town. They should also realize that when I died, I probably knew I was going to die and probably behaved in order to do so. I'm a really really easy player to figure out if I'm town or scum. Marv even told you what I do as scum (bus early and often and sacrifice myself) but no one paid attention.
also I lied about most of the irl stuff >_>
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On September 05 2012 13:54 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 13:47 talismania wrote:
also townies need to remember to think about things from scum's POV. They never realized that I'm a lot smarter than I was playing, if I was town. They should also realize that when I died, I probably knew I was going to die and probably behaved in order to do so. I'm a really really easy player to figure out if I'm town or scum. Marv even told you what I do as scum (bus early and often and sacrifice myself) but no one paid attention.
also I lied about most of the irl stuff >_> Broken leg all over again 
Nah it was a fake broken wrist before =P
The true stuff was that I really only can post when I'm at work. And weekend posting is therefore difficult but I never went camping
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On September 05 2012 17:22 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 16:36 DoYouHas wrote:
This makes two games I read you like a book Marv. Haha! You teach me how to read marv and I teach you how to read Chezinu OK?
read marv's mad men filter. read his filter here. you should be able to spot the difference.
(while you're at it, compare my mad men filter to my filter here LOL)
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