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On August 22 2012 18:16 Palmar wrote: Just so it's clear I would probably be ok with lynching Shady at this point. I think you're ok with lynching anyone, not just shady. | ||
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On August 22 2012 18:22 Palmar wrote: Alright. I kind of liked your analysis on my play because you seem to be at least applying the thoughts required to scumhunt successfully, not jumping to a conclusion while still not being afraid to take a stance. I'm working on this project where I try to order the people in the game from the least scummy to the most scummy I'd like some input on where and why people should place. Are you familiar with the meta of any of these players? I don't know half the people in this game. I'm a little bit familiar with how shady plays. He lurked to the death as scum in Newbie MM 23 (which was his first game as far as I know), was pretty active and attended the scumhunt pretty well in 24 up until he got lynched at the end of day1. Meta analysis suggests that this Shady we have seen up to now is more like the scum one in Newbie MM 23. However (I don't know how big of a factor this is but) he could be a lot less easygoing in his first game of mafia, being a scum is another factor contributing to that, just like this being his first game against bigger dawgz (which I'm not one of) and not newbies might also cause him being less easygoing. On the other hand though he might have taken lessons from NMM23 as well, which may help him adapt his scum play better into bigger dawgz. I don't know and can't estimate how well or poorly he adapted though. Other than that, I'm not familiar with any of the players, except for the notorious troll Chezinu (from BH's explanations in this thread). | ||
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On August 22 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote: DJ marv kville Chez bluelightz obvious shady VE talis Lvdr This is my list at the moment, but it's still very, very rough. And to be fair, there's a distinct lack of people who are actively trying to look town, the closest thing is your analysis on my play. marv seems to not give many fucks but he hasn't actually said anything relevant in the game so far. I really need to refine this list of players to get an idea if I'm wrong or not. Do you agree with my ranking, and what would you change? Lovedoc looks less scummy imo, but my reads are probably not as sharp as yours, whereas bluelightz looks more scummy imo. My list would be something more like: Palmar marv Chez Lvdr obvious VE kville bluelightz shady talis | ||
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Palmar marv Chez Lvdr obvious VE kville bluelightz shady iamperfection is more accurate. | ||
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On August 22 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote: Thing is though, it seems very strange for a fairly new scum player to risk being so cocky about joining the thread and basically admitting to not doing much. So they are going to lurk to the death? As if we will allow that? I don't know actually what I would do if I had rolled scum in this game, which is my first. I'd probably try to look as protown as possible and try to conduct mislynches and avoid omgus nks. I probably wouldn't lurk in either alignment. | ||
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On August 22 2012 19:57 Shady Sands wrote: Should add that my first game was actually Newbie XXII, where I flipped mason and tried to follow Keir's lead on pretty much everything up until he got NK'd since he was the other mason and more experienced. I'm disappointed with the level of activity here. I think that we're letting lurkers get off a little too easy. I'm especially suspicious of people who haven't posted, as it's already been a full 12 hours since the game started, more than enough time for players to post. Moreover, this playstyle is unfair to town, since town by default has to go off of evidence to scumhunt and if everyone is lurking scum gets a free ride in terms of not having to give up much evidence. I'm going to go with a rando-vote on a lurker unless someone can claim me otherwise with a compelling case. I haven't yet seen a case that's good enough so far. I remembered that 24 was your last possible newbie game but I didn't remember which was the other newbie game you played in. You're right about lurkers to be honest. My opinion is that it's up to US that will determine if people can or can not get away with lurking to the death. Even as townies, they are doing scum's jobs for them. Distracting townies with actual suspects and lurkers, preventing town dynamics from forming etc. On August 22 2012 20:00 Shady Sands wrote: Basically, there's no reason for a green or blue townie to lurk and wait for others to "make the first move", but there's plenty of reason for scum to lurk and post second. That's why I think that scum are just playing a waiting game. One thing I am going to require: all lurkers who are making their first posts in here from now on, if you don't make a case in the post (given all that's happened in the thread already) I am going to vote for a lynch on you. Why? This forces scum to choose to bus or shoot for a mislynch right from their first post in the thread, giving them zero opportunity to "test the waters" on the town's reaction to their claim. A townie should have no problems with this. Only scum should be made uncomfortable by this requirement. Yep, but let me fix that: Contrary to my friendly neighbourhood friends who are considered as BIG DAWGZ over here, I can read chinese symbols/letters/hieroglyphs/whatever better than I can read scum behavior. + Show Spoiler + Newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN, remember? So mind if I tell you what I'm going to do? Until I get better at reading scum behavior, what I'm going to do is I'm going to vote for lurking scumbags and uhh, the ones that don't make cases in their posts. In short: I'm going to vote lynches for any person who isn't helping us friendly neighbourhood townies with our jobs. I have 2 reasons for that: 1- I'm bad at this and I need help. 2- People helping scumbags are no different from actual scumbags to me. On August 22 2012 20:00 Palmar wrote: It's easier to take a stance. Admitting lurking is something I'm not sure scum would do. This, I agree with. But from this point, what would your actions be if you happened to be a scum and lurked all the way up to here? | ||
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For which lurker should I go ##Vote: Kville | ||
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On August 22 2012 21:19 Kville wrote: Cute, guess i came in good timing. Just finished reading and reviewing. Although, it is quite interesting, however, how marvellosity and djagulingu just random vote correspondingly on same person. Even though I never found marvellosity to kind-like during my reads. #FoS marvellosity These votes aren't for good, y'know? Considering for how long you waited before making a post, we were assuming to find some good content in it. But what do we have instead? An OMGUS vote and a pile of words with no content. | ||
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On August 22 2012 21:30 Kville wrote: No need to be so irrational. How does it not make sense? I just claimed that you(marvellosity) and jang may perhaps be associates of somekind just based on how you "randomly" voted for someone becuase of inactivity with no leads on the first day. What isn't there to make sense about? btw- Was at work and just got a new phone so I was setting up, plus full time student(no web blocks=sweetness ^.^). We were discussing our reasons for ages, or rather pages, in terms of lurker lynches, we casted our votes with the person who then had zero posts after the game began, I refresh the page and the first thing I see from you is baseless accusations on me, marv and shady followed by an OMGUS vote. You're not even my top 2 suspects and the only reason I'm casting my vote on you right now is because you're doing the scum's job for them. You're not being helpful to the good and constructive discussion we're trying to create, you're making us waste our time with you (which is no problem for me if you're a scumbag) and you're giving the real scums (if you're not one of them ofc) an opportunity to hide themselves by stalling us for them. I think I made my point pretty clear about these votes, which can be revoked and put on someone else. The rest is up on you. | ||
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On August 22 2012 22:10 iamperfection wrote: ## Vote Bluelightz Guy comes into the thread announces his suspicion on someone then quickly retracts it simply because obvious gave a response. Didnt give good reasoning and only provided some insight when pushed to do so. Got into the game only after someone had left and was excited by the player list so you would think that his actvity would be greater and has lurked just as much as me. True, bluelightz is my top suspect along with you, but bluelightz's posts currently are pretty similar to yours. Can you please explain why we should suspect bluelightz while thinking that you're completely innocent? Thanks in advance. | ||
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On August 22 2012 22:28 iamperfection wrote: There is no way for me to prove that im completely innocent and its silly for you to suggest me to prove it on whats been posted. I havent been here but now im here time to find scum. Going forward ill be much more active that is all i can do. Well, I can't estimate scums and innocent people with this little amount of materials, all I can do is to hope that you're going to give away scumbags anyway (including yourself, if you're one of them too.. oh and yes you will). By the way I have never asked you to prove anything, I just asked you to explain why. A proof would be good though. | ||
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On August 22 2012 23:42 Bluelightz wrote: Defense in points: 1. If the response is townie, then I believed he is townie, why should I NOT retract my suspicion? It's kinda pointless if ye see. 2.Why is the reasoning I provided bad?(Hint: your reasoning is pointless bullshit) 3.Didn't give insight till pushed because I didn't feel the need too. 4.Why is when I got into the game a factor in me being scum?(Hint: explain), It's not like I should always post when I'm not ready. Your points are not bad, the major reason why you were read as scum is that you did this and faded away. The timing of it also made you look more suspicious. We were trying to get a good base of discussion and all you did was to bait someone, get a response, decide that it's townie and go away until you came back now. That's what made you look suspicious. On August 22 2012 23:42 Bluelightz wrote: Palmar: Yes, we should vote our best scum read. Y U NO VOTE?! Actually Obv is worth a filter check. His quotes that you shared and even the one which made you see him as a townie look suspicious to me. ##FoS: Obvious.660 Completely off-topic: [color=green]Where can I find myself a coach?[/color] | ||
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Code fail. It is supposed to be: Completely off-topic: Where can I find myself a coach | ||
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On August 23 2012 00:07 Bluelightz wrote: @ Lingu Why is the quote I think he is town suspicious to you? Your just cruising around, throwing baseless bullshit here and there, please explain. With only this much material about any given person, it's not easy to make good and accurate reads about anything. I'm just trying to go over stuff that seems a little bit off. Example: I FoS'd Obvious before doing a filter check on him because the following things seemed twisted to me: First I read the "town confirmation post" of Obvious, it didn't look like a town confirmation to me. Then I read this: On August 22 2012 08:18 Obvious.660 wrote: Oh, to follow up for VE, yes, I am OK with a Palmar lynch based on evidence that he IS serious about random lynch. Seemed a bit twisted to me. On August 22 2012 07:39 Obvious.660 wrote: Lurkers absolutely suck past day 2, so I agree that lurker lynches are a good fallback option. I'm also wary of easy lynches too. My experience with TL mafia has been that if it's too easy it's probably too good to be true. We're not even past 24 hours yet though so let's not get too ahead of ourselves by focusing on lurkers just yet. Also, I agree with Shady that the LoveDoctor doesn't smell right. His olfactory glands are probably on his elbows. Then I read this bolded part. Then, the following things I read also seemed more twisted than they actually are. After re-checking his filter now, he seemed less and less suspicious. At least for now. | ||
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I suppose it's the DT part that you're asking. I don't know. Maybe it's because of the step by step investigation of every single suspect, one by one, from top of the list to the bottom. At least that's what I got from what he said. I don't know. | ||
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- Read Shady's filter considering what VE says - Read talis' filter - Read KVille's filter - Catch up to the stuff | ||
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On August 23 2012 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay dats some scummy shit (Kvilles filter). I need to think. That was my view as well. But I couldn't decide if he's town or scum. Then this comes up. On August 23 2012 05:24 Shady Sands wrote: Thrown under the bus? Who threw you under the bus? Your defense is: --people are picking on me --I tried to defend but I was at school/afk --point fingers at shady, obvious, and marv (forgetting about the other lurker, talis? or are you not looking at lurkers anymore?) --then saying "fuck it, im just gna sheep VE" and finally a semi-slip by using the phrase thrown under the bus This is either terribad town play or... terribad scum play. It's so off the scale, i'm not even sure how to read it Be it town, be it scum. He's terribad at it, doing scum's job for them if he's townie, doing nothing but his job if he's scum. My vote currently stands on KVille. On August 23 2012 05:49 Chezinu wrote: Greetings town, Not Chezinu is back. When I was reading the thread I noticed a lack of accusations and name calling, except that provided by VE. Good work! We need to scare the mafia and make them think we are serious about lynching them and their teammates. We have to act quickly and turn mafia into a panic so that they out of desperation attempt to save their fellow mafia neglecting all long term goals by exposing themselves. I have develop techniques with my persona Chezinu to do this. Day 1 I troll for the first 24 hours goofing around and getting everyone's guard down. I play dumb and act scummy.. so scummy that scum thinks I'm an easy target and try to lynch me. Then the vets notice that it is my usual fishing methods and defend me while attacking the first one who accuses me. It is normal a mafia member who never played a game with me. However, I couldn't troll and act scummy this game because I am playing the sane game. I couldn't call obvious an obvious scum not shady a shady scum. So, I had to devise a new method to catch scum. If you don't gather reactions within the game your playing, you have to rely on others to do it for you. Or you will have to go research people's meta in past games which can be a real pain. I have decided not to do the latter. But I did not want to heavily rely on other people to get mafia to panic. So, I have come up with a plan that I cannot disclose at this time. Fear me mafia, for I have won. PS: What are your methods to find scum? Mine is to eliminate people who are doing scum's job for them scumbags. Then scumbags have to their jobs themselves, which will reveal them. Might be one of the worst plans though. On August 23 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: He's wondering if I'm "reading you accurately" while voting me. He's SAYING he thinks I'm scum, but he slips my alignment in asking if I'm "reading you accurately"...which is something only town can do (scum don't read anyone, they know everyone's alignment). Whoa... Nice, nice, how'bout that! Nice catch there. Lovedoc or Dr.Evil is now on the tops of my suspect list. Talis, trying to sheep on VE and generally posting pointlessly is high up there as well, then there is this Kville. This must not be that easy though, I'm losing my sharpness. Duh. I shall do something to bring it back. Dear Chezinu: Whatever you did to VE, I want that too. I'm losing my sharpness and I don't know why. Please help me bring it back. PLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZ. Thanks in advance. P.S: PLZ HELP ME. I'm really losing my sharpness though. I need to get refreshed. | ||
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On August 23 2012 20:07 Palmar wrote: Alright this is the lynch I want ##Vote Obvious For reasons outlined in my post. tl;dr version: 1. Posts generic stuff (discussing lurker lynches and such) 2. Spends an absurd amount of time obsessing about my random lynch idea 3. His only attempt at scumhunting is basically rehashing what people already said about Kville 4. Wants to lynch me on something that's a null-tell, without any attempt at further analysing my play. Please go along with this guys. Well, at least I was right about what Palmar was trying to achieve with random-lynch bullshit. He's picking off the guys who got overly obsessed with it. While liking his read on Obvious, I'm also reading something stupid from Lvdr. He basically defended Shady for the whole day, doing his job for him, which brought 3 options in my mind: 1- Lvdr is a scumbag defending his fellow scumbag 2- Lvdr is a scumbag defending Shady to make him look like a scumbag, after seeing people thinking that Shady is a scumbag. 3- Lvdr is a townie and trying to defend someone who he sees as a townie. Then I see this: On August 23 2012 20:37 Shady Sands wrote: back in thread. Why is everyone dropping the focus on Lvdr right now when we had him cold yesterday? and think. Think about the reason why would one of the 2 scumbags defend the other while getting bussed by the scumbag he's defending. This kicks the option 1 out of the window and brings another option in its place: 4- Shady is a scumbag trying to pick on controversial townies one by one, trying to create wagons for them. This eliminates option 3 in my mind. Right now, all I know is they both can't be townies. Checking both filters, I see that Shady is reading the thread, producing cases, participating the scumhunt, trying to be helpful at the very least. His attention is pretty scattered though. On the other hand, I look at Lovedoc and see that all he ever posts is some fluff showing no intention to participate in scumhunting, microscopic to no attempt on reading players and sharing his leads, almost like he doesn't even need to read other guys in the thread. All I know is; scum does not have to read people because they know everything, town on the other hand has to. ##Unvote ##Vote: Lvdr | ||
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