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On August 20 2012 00:00 Obvious.660 wrote:Goodkarma is at the top of my suspects list right now. + Show Spoiler [the most ridiculous thing ever] +On August 18 2012 10:32 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 10:16 thrawn2112 wrote:-snip- Mkfuba made it very clear that he thought I was town, and he also voted against shady. According to the reasoning that darthpunk was using before the night post, shouldn't darthpunk also have thought mkfuba was scum? Nothing was said about mkfuba, and he was killed during the night cycle. Mkfuba wrote out the longest and strongest defense of me, and he is the one who got killed during the night. Why wasn't Archrun the one the mafia killed? Because I killed him with my 1 bullet received from my being Town Vigilante. It was completely reasonable for me to do that from a town thrawn perspective. I was already suspicious of Archrun because of his first few posts. I thought since before the lnych that there was a scum mission to get me lynched. Archrun was one of the first people to vote thrawn. Before the vote ended he stated that if shady is town, then thrawn should be lynched. After the lynch I began to focus on him, and he never replied to my posts. Killing him ended up being the wrong decision, but it was clearly in line with what my past reads on Archrun were. On August 18 2012 10:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Your Harry made an entire case about you being town which was based on Archrun being scum.
Shady had a scum read on you. Dead. Confirmed town.
Archrun had a scum read on you. Dead. Confirmed town.
Mkfuba07 had a scum read on Your Harry. Dead. Confirmed town. Mkfuba may have had a scum read on yourharry, but he VOTED for shady (who I voted for) and VERY STRONGLY defended me. He was killed, and flipped town. Why would I as scum thrawn kill mkfuba who was the strongest defender of me being town? Okay. So thrawn just claimed Vigilante. Guess what? That puts him in an even worse spot. Because if he were to look at my case against him, there is pretty strong evidence that him and Ochrow share a QT. Meaning that if they're not masons, they are scum. @thrawn: Thanks for clearing up that you're not a mason  . ##Vote: thrawn2112And, I've already said it once, but I'll say it again: ##FoS: Ochrow##FoS: YourHarryI'd be happy to see any of them lynched as I'm certain they're all scum. I'm just trying to wrap my head around this post, so bear with me. GK is convinced that Thrawn and Ochrow (now me) are of the same alignment. If we're not mason buddies, then we're scum together, and one of those scums is a vigilante? Is anyone else seeing how this is the most ridiculous claim ever? If we are backing up to question ourselves: "Is Thrawn actually a vigilante?" then I have something to say regarding that. It's a lot easier to prove you're a vigilante if you make a believable breadcrumb that when revealed shows you haven't lied, but we're in a pickle as far as that's concerned because all we seem to have is a weak breadcrumb and Thrawn's word that he is a vig and spent his one shot last night. On top of that, GK is CERTAIN of my alignment as scum. It seems that he knows more about me than I do, and I suggest everyone take a good hard look at GK today and see if you can agree that he's being pretty scummy here. ##VOTE: goodkarma
Are you saying that goodkarma thought that I was a vig and that I was scum? I didn't get that from gk's post. Actually gk seemed to completely distrust my vig claim. I don't think I understand your argument...could you explain it again?
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##Unvote
The "original ochrow" isn't here to defend himself and I need to hear more from Obvious before getting a read on him. I want to hear more from Obvious about his reads, and I absolutely need to hear from jhuyt.
Lurkers gonna lurk......the longer you (jhuyt gobalt solar) lurk the more closely I'm going to be looking at your filters.
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Could we get a vote count?
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On August 20 2012 00:37 Obvious.660 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 00:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 20 2012 00:00 Obvious.660 wrote:Goodkarma is at the top of my suspects list right now. + Show Spoiler [the most ridiculous thing ever] +On August 18 2012 10:32 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 10:16 thrawn2112 wrote:-snip- Mkfuba made it very clear that he thought I was town, and he also voted against shady. According to the reasoning that darthpunk was using before the night post, shouldn't darthpunk also have thought mkfuba was scum? Nothing was said about mkfuba, and he was killed during the night cycle. Mkfuba wrote out the longest and strongest defense of me, and he is the one who got killed during the night. Why wasn't Archrun the one the mafia killed? Because I killed him with my 1 bullet received from my being Town Vigilante. It was completely reasonable for me to do that from a town thrawn perspective. I was already suspicious of Archrun because of his first few posts. I thought since before the lnych that there was a scum mission to get me lynched. Archrun was one of the first people to vote thrawn. Before the vote ended he stated that if shady is town, then thrawn should be lynched. After the lynch I began to focus on him, and he never replied to my posts. Killing him ended up being the wrong decision, but it was clearly in line with what my past reads on Archrun were. On August 18 2012 10:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Your Harry made an entire case about you being town which was based on Archrun being scum.
Shady had a scum read on you. Dead. Confirmed town.
Archrun had a scum read on you. Dead. Confirmed town.
Mkfuba07 had a scum read on Your Harry. Dead. Confirmed town. Mkfuba may have had a scum read on yourharry, but he VOTED for shady (who I voted for) and VERY STRONGLY defended me. He was killed, and flipped town. Why would I as scum thrawn kill mkfuba who was the strongest defender of me being town? Okay. So thrawn just claimed Vigilante. Guess what? That puts him in an even worse spot. Because if he were to look at my case against him, there is pretty strong evidence that him and Ochrow share a QT. Meaning that if they're not masons, they are scum. @thrawn: Thanks for clearing up that you're not a mason . ##Vote: thrawn2112And, I've already said it once, but I'll say it again: ##FoS: Ochrow##FoS: YourHarryI'd be happy to see any of them lynched as I'm certain they're all scum. I'm just trying to wrap my head around this post, so bear with me. GK is convinced that Thrawn and Ochrow (now me) are of the same alignment. If we're not mason buddies, then we're scum together, and one of those scums is a vigilante? Is anyone else seeing how this is the most ridiculous claim ever? If we are backing up to question ourselves: "Is Thrawn actually a vigilante?" then I have something to say regarding that. It's a lot easier to prove you're a vigilante if you make a believable breadcrumb that when revealed shows you haven't lied, but we're in a pickle as far as that's concerned because all we seem to have is a weak breadcrumb and Thrawn's word that he is a vig and spent his one shot last night. On top of that, GK is CERTAIN of my alignment as scum. It seems that he knows more about me than I do, and I suggest everyone take a good hard look at GK today and see if you can agree that he's being pretty scummy here. ##VOTE: goodkarma Are you saying that goodkarma thought that I was a vig and that I was scum? I didn't get that from gk's post. Actually gk seemed to completely distrust my vig claim. I don't think I understand your argument...could you explain it again? The short answer, since I have to leave for a few hours, is: What possible motivation is there for putting two people I am confident are town on the same list and claiming with absolute certainty that they are all scum. The only answer is: it comes from someone who knows their alignments. Scum motivation.
"If we're not mason buddies, then we're scum together, and one of those scums is a vigilante? Is anyone else seeing how this is the most ridiculous claim ever?" This was what I didn't understand, gk did not say that I was both vig and scum. I'm still confused about that part of the argument.
Notice how a mislynch on me can be cast aside as "he was a lurker anyway" among the other points brought up against Ochrow. Notice how a mislynch on you can be cast aside as "his vig claim wasn't strong enough and his breadcrumb was weak so we had no reason to believe him anyway". Goodkarma has a history of policy talk that really gets the town no where, followed up by going after lurkers.
Gk did some policy talk at the beginning but from what I've read in other threads opening up with policy talk is standard. I don't see how gk "has a history of policy talk that really gets the town no where" and I also disagree with the "going after lurkers" accusation. Recently gk has claimed to have scum reads on myself, you, and yourharry and most of gk's posts have been scumhunting posts.
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##Vote Jhuyt
I went over my case against him again, and his entire play just screams scum. I don't think he gave an adequate response to my post, and his recent vote for harry looks like a scum motive.
On August 20 2012 00:36 Jhuyt wrote:
This is the problem with YourHarry, he makes posts that consist of nothing and he makes claims he immediatly retract. It doesn't matter if you're scum or town, this is just bad play on all parts and super anti-town.
For this I'm going to vote for YourHarry
##Vote: YourHarry
The bolded part looks like a scummy way to get people to vote for yourharry. Prior to investigating jhuyt I had a scum read on yourharry but I think jhyut's overall play looks scummier and for that I'm going to assume that unless jhuyt flips green, yourharry's constant flip flops are just due to what yourharry described as his "over-active imagination." My initial read on yourharry after he gave his explanation for his solar/gk mason theory was that he reads too much into things and is too quick to make reads, and now I'm going to accept that again. I'm not going to vote for Obvious because I need more time to get a read on him.
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Z-Boson, a good town player wouldn't dismiss my case against Jhuyt. Even if you think that I am for sure scum, ignoring any case is not pro-town. I think you greatly misrepresented how I've responded to people's cases against me. I've not responded to a small number of posts, but they were a few posts out of the many I've had to respond to. I've spent more than enough time responding to people's cases against me and I don't think most of the people that voted for me are likely to change their vote. These people are so convinced I'm scum that they just ignore most of what I say and twist the rest of it into evidence against me. And the quotes you referenced only look bad when you take them out of context like you've done; they were made days apart and the town atmosphere and conversations were very different.
Keep your vote on me if you want but for the sake of scumhunting could you read my case against jhuyt and tell me what you think?
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On August 20 2012 04:50 Jhuyt wrote:Thrawn, look at the bold part of this quote: Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 21:11 Jhuyt wrote:When I looked at the case GK made in this post I got the feeling that you might be scum, but I wasn't sure. When I couple that with your scumslip it makes more sense that he's right and therefore I think you're scum. The benefit of the doubt line was one that I was considering to cut out of the post because it doesn't add anything and I'm pretty sure I misused the expression.I should have said that while I do think you're scum I think that YH's behaviour is way scummier and so much more anti-town that a lynch on him is necessary so that we can have a clearer discussion. That's a reasonable defense if you think that such a misuse of that phrase is likely but I don't think it is. He apologizes for posting it instead of just admitting it was a mistake which IMO is scummy. The last part, "YH's behaviour is way scummier and so much more anti-town that a lynch on him is necessary so that we can have a clearer discussion" gives off a town feeling to it. now look at the bold part of this quote: Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 00:36 Jhuyt wrote:
This is the problem with YourHarry, he makes posts that consist of nothing and he makes claims he immediatly retract. It doesn't matter if you're scum or town, this is just bad play on all parts and super anti-town.
For this I'm going to vote for YourHarry
##Vote: YourHarry The bolded part looks like a scummy way to get people to vote for yourharry. Prior to investigating jhuyt I had a scum read on yourharry but I think jhyut's overall play looks scummier and for that I'm going to assume that unless jhuyt flips green, yourharry's constant flip flops are just due to what yourharry described as his "over-active imagination." My initial read on yourharry after he gave his explanation for his solar/gk mason theory was that he reads too much into things and is too quick to make reads, and now I'm going to accept that again. I'm not going to vote for Obvious because I need more time to get a read on him.
I use the same arguments and draw two wildly different conclusions from it, please be more consistent.
I would also like to hear what you did not find sufficient with my defense of you FoS, it's pretty scummy to dodge the bullet like you did.[/QUOTE]
What bullet did I dodge that makes me look scummy? You dodged the bullet. I made a very long case against you and you only bothered to respond to a small portion of it. The parts you did respond to you basically restated what I said. My case was that in each of your posts, you deny scumhunting responsibilty by giving excuses such as "I don't know" and "first day is silly" and other example that I pointed out. Most of your posts are suspicious on their own, and when you look at all of them as a whole the picture gets even worse.
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On August 20 2012 04:50 Jhuyt wrote:Thrawn, look at the bold part of this quote: Show nested quote +On August 18 2012 21:11 Jhuyt wrote:When I looked at the case GK made in this post I got the feeling that you might be scum, but I wasn't sure. When I couple that with your scumslip it makes more sense that he's right and therefore I think you're scum. The benefit of the doubt line was one that I was considering to cut out of the post because it doesn't add anything and I'm pretty sure I misused the expression.I should have said that while I do think you're scum I think that YH's behaviour is way scummier and so much more anti-town that a lynch on him is necessary so that we can have a clearer discussion. That's a reasonable defense if you think that such a misuse of that phrase is likely but I don't think it is. He apologizes for posting it instead of just admitting it was a mistake which IMO is scummy. The last part, "YH's behaviour is way scummier and so much more anti-town that a lynch on him is necessary so that we can have a clearer discussion" gives off a town feeling to it. now look at the bold part of this quote: Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 00:36 Jhuyt wrote:
This is the problem with YourHarry, he makes posts that consist of nothing and he makes claims he immediatly retract. It doesn't matter if you're scum or town, this is just bad play on all parts and super anti-town.
For this I'm going to vote for YourHarry
##Vote: YourHarry The bolded part looks like a scummy way to get people to vote for yourharry. Prior to investigating jhuyt I had a scum read on yourharry but I think jhyut's overall play looks scummier and for that I'm going to assume that unless jhuyt flips green, yourharry's constant flip flops are just due to what yourharry described as his "over-active imagination." My initial read on yourharry after he gave his explanation for his solar/gk mason theory was that he reads too much into things and is too quick to make reads, and now I'm going to accept that again. I'm not going to vote for Obvious because I need more time to get a read on him. I use the same arguments and draw two wildly different conclusions from it, please be more consistent. I would also like to hear what you did not find sufficient with my defense of you FoS, it's pretty scummy to dodge the bullet like you did.
What bullet did I dodge that makes me look scummy? You dodged the bullet. I made a very long case against you and you only bothered to respond to a small portion of it. The parts you did respond to you basically restated what I said. My case was that in each of your posts, you deny scumhunting responsibilty by giving excuses such as "I don't know" and "first day is silly" and other example that I pointed out. Most of your posts are suspicious on their own, and when you look at all of them as a whole the picture gets even worse.
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On August 20 2012 05:08 goodkarma wrote:As the deadline is now only 4 hours away, I would like to encourage everyone to make a post to either re-affirm or change your votes. At the very least please discuss your reads on the two players that have gained the most support: Thrawn and YourHarry. If you could also chip in on the others who have received a vote (Obvious and myself), that would be great .
jhuyt too please
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On August 20 2012 05:45 goodkarma wrote:@Thrawn:I looked to the latest votecount, and missed your vote. Jhuyt, too, should be discussed. As the only person on the list I haven't discussed on day 2, let me briefly share my thoughts. I did find Jhuyt scummy enough to vote for day 1, and I don't feel the reasons I originally had for voting him have really changed. And then there's the quote you brought up in your voting post: Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 00:36 Jhuyt wrote:ok, I found something in Harry's filter, it isn't much but I thought it was kind of interesting. On August 15 2012 12:48 YourHarry wrote:
I will explain later, or maybe it will sort itself out.
FOS Following people still have not posted:
Golbat
Jhuyt
Z-BosoN
Ochrow
In this post he was very clear with whom had not yet posted, so I assume he made the effort to look through the filters and found us. later on he says this: As to why I did not call out Ochrow: I was not even aware of it. How many times did I call lurkers out - I did not make sure that I got every single lurkers out. In fact, I thought in one of the list, I copied lurker list provided by previous poster and eliminated names who posted since then. I simply missed him for some reason... Here he claims that he did not try to find everybody, so he lied, or forgot about it, I'd say he lied. This is the problem with YourHarry, he makes posts that consist of nothing and he makes claims he immediatly retract. It doesn't matter if you're scum or town, this is just bad play on all parts and super anti-town.
For this I'm going to vote for YourHarry##Vote: YourHarry In other words, Jhuyt has chosen to prioritize lynching YourHarry even if he is only a bad town. So in one word, yes. I find him scummy. However, I never really had a strong scum read on him. My day one vote was a combination of a vote based on wishy-washy behavior and semi-lurking. Combined with this one "scumslip," I don't see enough there to convince me he's scummier than Obvious, as "scumslips" can be made by town or scum. Especially with Obvious so hesitant to present any kind of defense against my case posts against his predecessor (and by extension, him) or him.
What did you think about the case I made against him at the top of the page, especially the summary? I think both his words and his actions throughout the game have been scummy.
On August 20 2012 00:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
In summary his posts rarely give off a town read. He often states how useless his opinions are and his scumhunting is mostly based off of hypothetical scenarios containing information a town player wouldn't have. For that I want to issue a very strong FOS against Jhuyt.
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Zobalt
Many of the accusations you made against me other people also made, and I responded to those. On the point of my reading abilities and me proclaiming newbie (which I admit is something I have not responded to until now) I want to point out that a lot of my newbie questions were things I posted in the thread before the game even started. And saying that I'm scum because I didn't (green /green) a question I asked before the game even started (which other people did as well) to me seems about the weakest reason you could use to call me scum. Having not ever played mafia before a lot of what was in the OP and guides didn't make sense because I had no experience of what context to apply the stuff I was reading, so just because I read a guide did not mean I could have understood everything I read.
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I have no idea why i said "zobalt" lol. sorry Z-Boson
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yourharry what does you knowing your alignment have anything to do with your thoughts on the thrawn/ochrow qt theory?
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also @obvious
the vig shot I claimed was completely in line with everything I had said during the last half of D1 and all of N1
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Goodbye post:
GG town it's gonna be rough. My advice is to not settle on one target when scumhunting because this stifles discussion which is exactly what the mafia wants. The game started out great for me... but the last few days have been pretty rough. There were several times in D1 and D2 when I gave up hope and decided I was going to take a break from the game, but my mind kept returning to the game and I kept being drawn back to my computer to refresh the tl mafia forum. I stayed up for over 24 hours leading up to the end of D1 and when shady flipped scum I was sort of in a state of shock. I only managed to sleep for about 4 hours and woke up to start posting, and when I saw that hardly anyone else was interested in discussion I got pretty mad. Look at my filter and you can see that I've put the most time into the game and what really irritates me is that there are several people who don't seem to care at all about participating. I think some of you did not even read the whole thread, it looked like people were just skimming pages and reading parts that either mention themselves or scumreads they were talking about. And good job lurkers, you really messed things up. Next game I will be seriously pushing for a lurker lynch policy. Also shame on you guys that voted at the start of D2 then went afk. VERY BAD play.
everyone GLHF and come join me in the next newbie game if you get killed in time
ps. crazy coincidence on the ochrow/thrawn post timing right?
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gg town
On August 26 2012 15:02 Z-BosoN wrote:
My two biggest game-losing mistakes were:
1) NKing Jhuyt instead of goodkarma
YH suggested it
Like I said, the JHuyt kill was just afhauisdhfaf????aegfa!??.
lol
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Are we gonna get the scum qt link?
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I think a big mistake I made was voting for jhuyt instead of harry. The reason I didn't push my case for yourharry was because people were talking about how it was yh's meta to say crazy shit so I wasn't too sure about him.
I noticed from reading the scumqt that the scum capitalized on yh's meta lol so good job on that one lol.
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On August 26 2012 17:49 Obvious.660 wrote:
My play last night started to slip drastically, I was heading into a sort of a depression and I really wanted nothing to do with anything or anyone, so I just kinda phoned it in, if that wasn't apparent from my previous few posts.
I feel for ya, the same kind of thing happened to me from N1 onwards. I used the game as a distraction from real life problems and I ended up staying awake and posting for over 24 hours at one point. The added stress of being tunneled the whole game by pretty much everybody made it hard to post but the game was interesting and exciting enough for me to commit myself to it. TBH I was so fucking relieved when I got lynched.
GG everyone it was a crazy and interesting first game.
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