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goodkarma
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If it wasn't clear before, if I do die, I endorse DarthPunk as the new leader with the responsibility of leading town. I encourage him to carefully look into my reads, but above all else to trust his own reads. And don't let anyone make you second guess yourself. To summarize my scum reads: I strongly believe that I have spotted the last two scum. They are: Z-Boson, Golbat | ||
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goodkarma
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Of course I would expect you to try to invalidate DP as town, just as you tried to invalidate me as town before YourHarry went down. | ||
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goodkarma
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@Z-Boson: On August 24 2012 10:34 Z-BosoN wrote: As expected, you would be the first to answer this. Let's learn to count first. YourHarry, Obvious, and You. That requires one jailkeeper and two roleblockers. Unless you wish to claim roleblocker as well, lol. goodkarma jailed you. I roleblocked YourHarry. YourHarry roleblocked Obvious. Three. This makes zero sense. Feel free to ask host in-thread, but my understanding is this: If one role-blocker role-blocks another role-blocker that role-blocker's role-block doesn't happen. So in this case if you did role-block YourHarry, YourHarry couldn't have role-blocked Obvious. Which means there's a third role-blocker to make this believable. But there's also DarthPunk being role-blocked, which means there's actually a fourth role-blocker... In a mafia game of this size, I find it very hard to believe there's four role-blockers. So at this point I would say it's more likely either you or Obvious is lying... I look forward to your defense, but I'm not really buying it. Also, did you see what I wrote against you just before the start of today? I would highly recommend you take some time to defend yourself against what I wrote there. | ||
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goodkarma
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On August 24 2012 12:13 Solarsail wrote: I was not informed of any roleblock last night. Thus Z-Boson is lying and I am forced to ##Vote Z-BosoN The plot thickens... SolarSail doesn't seem to agree with you. Any explanation??? | ||
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goodkarma
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@Z-Boson: I'm not here to insta-condemn you. I'm here to carefully weigh the evidence against you and determine if your actions fit a scum agenda. Right now, I strongly believe they do. Instead of addressing my case points in the night post, you completely derail any discussion on you with a roleclaim and (what I consider to be) a weak case against DarthPunk. On top of that, your roleblocking claims make little sense. If you're truly town, you should stay in here and address the case points still standing against you. And you should be providing your scum reads. The absolute worst thing you can do for yourself is just sit there and say nothing. | ||
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goodkarma
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This is now (at least) the third time you've said something along the lines of "will analyze the thread," and then posted absolutely nothing. We need to hear much more from you. Discuss your impressions on Z-Boson and Golbat. That would be a good start... | ||
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goodkarma
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Just to summarize: So here is the biggest point of inconsistency in YourHarry's play that implicates Golbat as scum: At the start of day 3, YourHarry's soft defense of Golbat is below. Keep in mind, this is after busing Golbat hard on day 2 and even to some degree on day 1. Keeping in mind YourHarry's prior actions it doesn't make sense from a town perspective. This was definitely a scum-motivated move. Here's the quote: On August 21 2012 11:30 YourHarry wrote: EDBWOP: Golbat: He is lurking for sure, but Jhyut being targeted should make him less scummy. This is because after GK outlined his case on Jhyut being the top scum read and Golbat being the second person we should lynch, I cannot imagine scum team including Golbat to NK the top scum read to make it dangerous for Golbat to be lynched. I mean come on... It even explains why they chose to NK Jyuht... Golbat is clearly scum. Regarding Z-Boson: Definitely the second scum. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about him. ##FoS: Z-Boson Regarding my vote: On August 24 2012 20:04 Golbat wrote: ##Vote Golbat still unwell. Best of luck town. They're both scum, but if Golbat's going to vote for himself I'm inclined to help him along. Since he's sick, he should be resting. Get better soon Golbat ##Vote: Golbat | ||
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goodkarma
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Backing up a little bit: Scratch out the "this is why they killed Jyuht" point, as that's a little too circumstantial to be certain. The rest of my case against Golbat still stands, though, and is more than enough to implicate him as scum. | ||
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goodkarma
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On August 25 2012 03:35 Solarsail wrote: Considering what Keirathi said (if I am reading correctly, that roleblocks still go through even if the roleblocker himself is blocked), can anyone think of a scenario in which Z-boson could have roleblocked me that would mean I was NOT informed? Nope. | ||
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goodkarma
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When last I checked, there's still two scum alive. We may have pegged them, but that doesn't mean town goes into mega-lurk mode... We are going down the last stretch of this game. Scum got clumsy when they were nearing victory. Let's please not do the same. We should be consolidating our vote early. I strongly recommend that everyone vote for Golbat. And if you disagree, you need to tell me why I'm wrong. Even if you do agree, you should supply a case against him and not a +1 vote. And remember, there's two scum. So while voting, share your second scum read and explain why. If we can stay active and keep the pressure on our scum suspects, I'm confident we have this. Please don't give up on contributing now that the tides have turned in our favor. | ||
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goodkarma
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I wouldn't just focus at Golbat's filter. Focus on his interactions with YourHarry, as I feel it's pretty telling. YourHarry focuses a lot on Golbat, especially given how little he was contributing. And then goes on to soft defend him on Day 3. There are some pretty strong scum tells there if you look for them. Add to that that he just voted for himself, saying GL town. Let's think about this for a second: I would argue that town is in a very strong position right now. If he was town, why would he vote for himself? He would just be reducing his winning chances, which are strong at this point. He could have chosen to just vote anyone without explanation, and that would have been consistent with his most recent play. Instead, he chose to vote for himself. This is more consistent with a demoralized scum giving up than with a lazy townie. Golbat has become as lazy as you can get, popping up to vote without explanation to avoid a modkill. He could have effortlessly kept this up as town, but instead has decided to off himself. Golbat is scum. Everything fits. You can call him a lurker, but YourHarry's interactions with him and reluctance to vote him after bussing him make sense from a scum perspective, and don't make sense from a town perspective. His vote for himself is the same way. Another thought to keep in mind: The NK didn't go through, so it's safe to say we have at least one town roleblocker at this point. I highly doubt that Z-Boson is roleblocker, but if he actually is we would be loosing a valuable power role. I'm willing to lynch him next day cycle in the hopes that some other power role can confirm or deny that he is scum tomorrow. | ||
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goodkarma
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We have to stay united as town this vote cycle. I would strongly recommend that you both reconsider. Z-Boson can get lynched tomorrow. I'm inclined to give our power roles a chance to confirm or deny he is scum. Golbat is an obvious scum at this point, and as town we need to consolidate our votes. So if he's second on your scum list I strongly urge you to reconsider your vote. | ||
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goodkarma
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A thought, but also consider the lack of a NK took us out of MYLO, meaning that if we mislynch now we don't lose. So scum withholding a KP makes absolutely no sense. | ||
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goodkarma
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Can you explain to me why, with Golbat as your second scum read, you can't vote for him this day cycle? We will be getting to Z-Boson tomorrow, but I'd like to play this game extra-safe. All of town should still unite behind one candidate, and I still strongly recommend that candidate be Golbat. Especially since, although very unlikely, there is a small (like abysmally small) possibility that Z-Boson could be telling the truth and we'd be losing a role-blocker. | ||
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goodkarma
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Where are you? We need you to discuss both lynch candidates (Golbat and Z-Boson) ASAP. | ||
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goodkarma
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I understand how you may be in the unique position of knowing 100% if Z-Boson is lying, but unfortunately from our perspective we don't know if it's him or you that is lying... So there is still a small (notice: small) chance that Z-Boson is innocent. As such, could you discuss my case on Golbat, and explain why you do or do not think he's scum? And if you do think he's scum, could you change your vote to Golbat? We will be getting to Z-Boson next day cycle. | ||
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goodkarma
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I would like to thank everyone for getting behind the Golbat lynch .We have one scum left to track down. With either Z-Boson or SolarSail lying about an RB, and town able to afford a mislynch, I'm struggling to see how town can lose at this point. I don't advocate anyone to give up early, as that's no fun for town or scum. But at this point, unless someone can give me a scenario where town doesn't win, I'd say that it's in everyone's best interest if the following happens: @Remaining Scum (Z-Boson or SolarSail): This was a fun game full of ups and downs for both sides, and I would like to thank all of the scum this game for giving it their best to win. But at this point, there is no manner in which you can win. So I request you concede now. You will be saving us days of waiting for an inevitable outcome. Day Length Change: Should the remaining scum refuse, I would propose we change day length from 48 hours to 24. I don't feel we really have much more to discuss at this point. We get behind either a Z-Boson or SolarSail lynch tomorrow. And if we mislynch, we get behind the one we didn't lynch the next day. We can come to a consensus this night cycle on who to lynch by requesting an RB on a specific target and seeing what happens the next day, as DarthPunk proposes, or we could do it by flipping a coin... I really don't know how much it matters at this point, but I would appreciate everyone's input on this matter. Again, thank you all for not getting sloppy and dividing the vote so close to the end of the game. We've got this . | ||
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