Okay, I'm still reacting internally to this. GG Z-Boson you did pretty flipping well for nearly soloing us. Haven't read much of the outside-game stuff except the last couple pages of the obs QT so this is mostly what I was thinking about tonight.

Initial reactions:
I actually was planning to build a case on DP tonight if Golbat flipped town, I wasn't sure exactly why he was pushing me away from Z-Boson vote until I saw the surrender. I had it in my mind that it would have worked the other way around, with Z-Boson being the one to get lynched and Golbat surrendering, since I wasn't 100% on Golbat. I guess either way works, and we all voted together to make it stick so that was a very good play by the rest of the town and DP subtly poking me to switch votes was all I needed considering, as has been said several times before this game, if one of DP/GK was scum it would be very difficult to prove it for me. The other case would have been to revisit Z-Boson and from there I would have decided for myself. Obviously (lol) bad news from my end.

My play last night started to slip drastically, I was heading into a sort of a depression and I really wanted nothing to do with anything or anyone, so I just kinda phoned it in, if that wasn't apparent from my previous few posts.

I will say that it absolutely SUCKED to replace for Ochrow given his posting habits. I'm not against replacing again in the future, I will probably try to be a bit better informed as to WHO/WHAT it is that I'm replacing next time though.

ObviousOne

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August 26 2012 08:57 GMT

#1081

On August 26 2012 17:53 Blazinghand wrote:

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95% of the time, you'll be replacing in sometime between N1 and N2, and you'll be doing it for a guy who did next to no analysis then lurked.

Typically replacements are extended a small benefit of the doubt, but are expected to also do extra to make up for the bad position they're in. I've only ever once seen a replacement who got no benefit of the doubt, and that was me, because I replaced into Storm Mafia a few minutes in.

but yeah most of the time replacing in means fighting your way into a game from the position of a replaced lurker, whether you were scum or town.

Why wasn't it suspicious when I survived a NK? Isn't that typically what happens to controversial townies who aren't NK'd the night they are subbed in? They get lined up for a lynch? Maybe I am misremembering. Yeah, I just kinda found Marv's post in the replacements thread by random chance so I found him on IRC so I let him know I was available. It was actually interesting having two games going at once for a couple days.

ObviousOne

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August 26 2012 09:13 GMT

#1083

On August 26 2012 18:11 thrawn2112 wrote:

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I feel for ya, the same kind of thing happened to me from N1 onwards. I used the game as a distraction from real life problems and I ended up staying awake and posting for over 24 hours at one point. The added stress of being tunneled the whole game by pretty much everybody made it hard to post but the game was interesting and exciting enough for me to commit myself to it. TBH I was so fucking relieved when I got lynched.

GG everyone it was a crazy and interesting first game.

LOL that's how I died in Newbie XXI as Vet. I was up for 30 hours, posted crazy stuff, then slept for like 10 through the deadline and wasn't there to defend myself. Was kind of cathartic though, for a first game. Jumped right into XXII :D

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

August 26 2012 09:33 GMT

#1089

Okay my fellow players. Post-game question for you who were suspicious of Ochrow and wanted me to explain his play. Now that we have no pretenses, what kinds of things were you looking for? I honestly, laden with the curse of knowing his role, read it all as bad town (quite clearly I was almost as bad as him at the role). I'd love to sub in again, but what kinds of things specifically were you looking for? Was it just willingness to analyze his filter and figure it out for you? I certainly didn't feel like that would do much good, since I wasn't the one interacting with him. Any input from those questioning me would be appreciated, I want to try this social experiment again sometime.

ObviousOne

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August 26 2012 10:08 GMT

#1094

On August 26 2012 18:37 DarthPunk wrote:

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I thought it was pretty clear you were town to be honest and the way you went about not trying to prove yourself but actually participate was good. I think we all could have been more active (apart from GK) but otherwise I felt that you were town. This also could have been to do with the fact that after the Thrawn flip. I realised how retarded associative cases could be and the main case against Ochrow was associative. The other aspect of the case against you was that Ochrow and Thrawn shared a QT. That was invalid as soon as thrawn flipped green and I am glad GK dropped the case gainst you in the end.

Okay, so I honestly should have re-read D2 a lot better when I got in. I tried cramming in what I could during the 10-ish hours (around the other crap IRL) or whatever it was that I had from sub to lynch, and analyzing Ochrow struck me as the worst possible thing I could have been doing to help at scumhunting at the time. Thanks for clearing that up haha.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

August 27 2012 02:31 GMT

#1100

Damn! Be safe!

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

August 27 2012 08:23 GMT

#1121

On August 27 2012 16:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't know why you guys wouldn't believe my vig claim.... a lot of the case against me was because of how I was pointing at archrun the whole game... yet you thought me being vig and shooting archrun was unreasonable. there was also the possibilty of an sk but that's something you could have figured out by waiting

I made a comment about it during the game but even I wasn't exactly sure why I voted you over YH at that particular point. Darth has brought up here in the post-game that you and Ochrow were linked by speculation and that it was broken based on your flip never occurred to me until now. In retrospect a YH vote from me would have cleared both of us considering it was him pushing the mason case, unless I am mistaken about who brought the link up in-game.