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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 17 2012 03:13 GMT
#175
yeah w/e

/in
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 20 2012 00:04 GMT
#311
Hey guys I am Pokealliance

lets find scum, like draz
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 20 2012 23:44 GMT
#481
Bugs and VE seem to either be lacking time (no read) or care (scum)

Still ok with lynching Draz
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 20 2012 23:50 GMT
#483
On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise?

cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 21 2012 00:06 GMT
#489
On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise?

cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town


Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently.

My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say?

I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game.

You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 21 2012 00:11 GMT
#491
Kita
Any post that you make that is less than 5 sentences long must include a (relavent) opinion of someone. k thx.


Also, ##Vote: Mattchew


Come on man
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 21 2012 15:34 GMT
#595
VE what do you think of bugs and allinson
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 21 2012 16:10 GMT
#605
On August 22 2012 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On August 22 2012 00:34 Mattchew wrote:
VE what do you think of bugs and allinson


Bugs is confusing. Like, okay...my grush lynch wasn't well-received. I expected it, sure...but the fact that he's completely ignoring everything else I do or say is a little suspicious I guess. Not a good lynch today.

AllIn I'm definitely NOT convinced of right now. It's being presented as a "solid" case, but honestly I'm not seeing it. I see more of a case to be made against Draz or Dirk or Zeph than I do allin. I can consolidate on allin, but it will be strictly for the purpose of securing a lynch for town...NOT because I believe in the case.

I think this and your post on Zeph are your most substantive post in the game thus far and makes me want to lynch you less.

However another problem with your play to me is you haven't tried to confirm any other "vet" as town to work with. You know that you and bugs/bc/toad/whoever could really become a benefit to town yet you refuse to work with just about anyone.

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 21 2012 16:13 GMT
#606
##vote dirkzor

I like this wagon
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 21 2012 16:30 GMT
#608
yeah i actually noticed when making that list that there was way less vets in this game then i thought
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 22 2012 03:26 GMT
#769
On August 22 2012 11:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess no one is still considering seriously Wiggles scum right? Cause...I think he scum. *snap snap snap*

Further thoughts pending reread.

i agree

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 22 2012 16:09 GMT
#785
On August 22 2012 21:36 Mementoss wrote:
The only reason I don't think Mattchew is scum is because he didn't reveal his scum team yet.

try and get me lynched.

SnB what do you think of me?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 22 2012 16:33 GMT
#787
i still think dirk is scum yes.

Also, i was enhancing my read of VE, which I find/found to be important in this game

also, you are town, good job
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 22 2012 16:44 GMT
#789
On August 23 2012 01:36 JingleHell wrote:
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On August 23 2012 01:33 Mattchew wrote:
i still think dirk is scum yes.

Also, i was enhancing my read of VE, which I find/found to be important in this game

also, you are town, good job


You seem awfully convinced for this early in the game. Where you getting the information?

on what
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 22 2012 17:37 GMT
#795
On August 23 2012 01:56 JingleHell wrote:
SnB's alignment. Treating anyone's alignment as definite based off of the minimal info we have is ridiculous for a townie.

snb gets hella confused about me when he's town cause whatever he thinks is normally wrong. if he was scum i think he would be more definitive in his assertions of my alignment, therefore i believe he is town

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 22 2012 17:38 GMT
#796
On August 23 2012 01:56 JingleHell wrote:
SnB's alignment. Treating anyone's alignment as definite based off of the minimal info we have is ridiculous for a townie.

also, you act like things can't change my reads.


Does anyone else think this post is hella scummy, and a cop out for not scum hunting?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 22 2012 18:23 GMT
#808
lol jingle lets see how much traction that thing gets
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 01:15 GMT
#895
On August 23 2012 10:13 Mementoss wrote:
Mattchew
Heist
Misder
WBG

Haven't heard much from these pokemon lately.

interesting, why not wiggles or dirk in that list?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 01:17 GMT
#897
On August 23 2012 10:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 10:15 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:13 Mementoss wrote:
Mattchew
Heist
Misder
WBG

Haven't heard much from these pokemon lately.

interesting, why not wiggles or dirk in that list?



He excluded scum From the list obviously

if you are not being sarcastic that is my thought process
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 01:22 GMT
#904
On August 23 2012 10:20 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:15 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:13 Mementoss wrote:
Mattchew
Heist
Misder
WBG

Haven't heard much from these pokemon lately.

interesting, why not wiggles or dirk in that list?



He excluded scum From the list obviously

if you are not being sarcastic that is my thought process


Its neat to witness in-thread conversations between 2 scum (mattchew BC)

its funny when you accuse some people of stuff, but don't accuse others who are doing the same stuff. and by funny i mean scummy
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 01:23 GMT
#907
On August 23 2012 10:22 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 10:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:15 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:13 Mementoss wrote:
Mattchew
Heist
Misder
WBG

Haven't heard much from these pokemon lately.

interesting, why not wiggles or dirk in that list?



He excluded scum From the list obviously

if you are not being sarcastic that is my thought process


I still like dirk as red, and wiggles has done absolutely nothing to help town period this game. He however has managed to find time to criticize people and claim they must be red with 0 case. (see bugs' post a few pages ago on wiggles to see what I mean).



But mattchew has done something to help town? :S

I found SnB as town, and I am pretty sure VE is town too now. so thats pretty helpful what exactly have you done meme? other than bandwagon a townie lynch?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 01:26 GMT
#911
On August 23 2012 10:24 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 10:22 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:20 Mementoss wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:15 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:13 Mementoss wrote:
Mattchew
Heist
Misder
WBG

Haven't heard much from these pokemon lately.

interesting, why not wiggles or dirk in that list?



He excluded scum From the list obviously

if you are not being sarcastic that is my thought process


Its neat to witness in-thread conversations between 2 scum (mattchew BC)

its funny when you accuse some people of stuff, but don't accuse others who are doing the same stuff. and by funny i mean scummy

Dirkzor scum or town?

I still believe dirk to be scum


On August 23 2012 10:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 10:23 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:22 Mementoss wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:15 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:13 Mementoss wrote:
Mattchew
Heist
Misder
WBG

Haven't heard much from these pokemon lately.

interesting, why not wiggles or dirk in that list?



He excluded scum From the list obviously

if you are not being sarcastic that is my thought process


I still like dirk as red, and wiggles has done absolutely nothing to help town period this game. He however has managed to find time to criticize people and claim they must be red with 0 case. (see bugs' post a few pages ago on wiggles to see what I mean).



But mattchew has done something to help town? :S

I found SnB as town, and I am pretty sure VE is town too now. so thats pretty helpful what exactly have you done meme? other than bandwagon a townie lynch?



you do realize you just claimed scum here right?

porque?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 01:34 GMT
#915
On August 23 2012 10:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 10:31 Mementoss wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:23 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:22 Mementoss wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:15 Mattchew wrote:
On August 23 2012 10:13 Mementoss wrote:
Mattchew
Heist
Misder
WBG

Haven't heard much from these pokemon lately.

interesting, why not wiggles or dirk in that list?



He excluded scum From the list obviously

if you are not being sarcastic that is my thought process


I still like dirk as red, and wiggles has done absolutely nothing to help town period this game. He however has managed to find time to criticize people and claim they must be red with 0 case. (see bugs' post a few pages ago on wiggles to see what I mean).



But mattchew has done something to help town? :S

I found SnB as town, and I am pretty sure VE is town too now. so thats pretty helpful what exactly have you done meme? other than bandwagon a townie lynch?


It's not hard to find SnB as town after he flipped. It's not like he had any pressure on him before he died. VE is null from the Toad shot out of any one you should know that.

I've had trouble figuring people out or getting cases together from day 1, but I'd like to think that I have produced helpful discussion from people when we are in the thread at the same time by asking them questions.

I don't really think dirkzor is scum, but I wouldn't mind hearing why you think he is?



In that same boat, I would like to know why you think he isn't scum to be honest.

why did i claim scum
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 02:56 GMT
#938
On August 23 2012 11:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
I want to kill Mattchew.

Problem? No?

Cool.

##vote Mattchew

hi i have a problem
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 03:22 GMT
#940
I think that I am a bad lynch for many reasons.

one would be that dirkzor is still alive, and if he posted any more hesitantly and nervously he wouldn't post at all. He is playing to not get caught, not to catch scum. you know, when he insta-accuses VE cause he was accused for good reason? or when he tells BC he's doesn't think BC is scum, so BC shouldn't be accusing him. or even how he enters the thread

the second would be that wiggles is still alive, and he has posted mostly about setup and how the 2 lynch candidates came about (he doesn't even give an opinion to dirk's alignment).

the third is that I am town and would be a bad lynch
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 04:18 GMT
#944
On August 23 2012 13:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
and actually you saying wiggles didn't say anything about dirk's alignment is indicative of you not reading wiggles's massive post about how the wagons formed and it makes dirkzor likely to be town.

you got that from all that?..

also, sweet cases posted against me, mind pointing out any resistance to my lynch?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 04:30 GMT
#947
in a weird twist, i would only rather lynch wiggles if it is either me or him.

i would much much rather lynch dirk
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 15:55 GMT
#991
my homeboy BC is dead? wtf

also we should be lynching dirkzor today

i think i'll do a post of why
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 23 2012 16:53 GMT
#995
Why we should lynch Dirkzor, according the the TL Mafia Vets who wrote a guide


A. Survival
Hiding/Blending in
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This thread stinks, everyone else has said it, why not me? I wanna look like I care too guys!
On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:
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On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far.

Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread.

On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight

##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes

On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.

Also: sup guyses


I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL

Basically all I wanted

I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post.


Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing



soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles?


Track the damage track the scum


Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response.
All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum?

I dislike Drazerk's posting so far...

I end it with this lulz:
On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)

So the following -

No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum

Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green


Why do you keep stating obvious things -_-


I have my reasons


I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice.




I never defend myself

You should know this by now


Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad.


Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game.




Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah


Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage.


Posting long but contentless posts
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:
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On August 21 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work.


Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad.

The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC.

I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards.


Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam.

Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve.

Seems pretty open shut to me atm.


A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread.

While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning.



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On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected.

I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example:


On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote:
I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info?



On August 21 2012 09:00 imallinson wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise?

cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town


Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently.

My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say?


It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting?


The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help:

On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote:
On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.

One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder.


Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles.

You can deal KP? Your a vig role.
You can protect? medic role.
You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist.

Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics.


I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that.

As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else.

I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play.


But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum?


It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up.

On August 21 2012 08:12 Drazerk wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)

So the following -

No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum

Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green


On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote:
Also to go one step further

I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it


Herp derp?

I don't know if anyone else noticed this (I have to reread some of what I missed) but I saw this and figured it has to be pointed out.

Unfortunately it's Drazerk, so to be completely honest my read of Drazerk doesn't change here.


I'm an exception to my own rule because at some point I need to be taken down for the good of the town


But is that point now?


So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum?

In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in.

##vote imallinson

While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that.



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On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise?

cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town


Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently.

My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say?

I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game.

You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently


You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough.

But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing.


A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE.

And lastly:
@heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy?





Not wanting to point fingers
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Only goes after VE and myself, and has now gone after... no one?
also this post, where he brings up things but doesnt accuse anyone of anything
On August 23 2012 23:47 Dirkzor wrote:
I don't read irony.... But reading your run-in with mattchew does make it make sense a bit more.

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There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle.


Wait, what? More recent? That was 1-2 pages and about 10 hours after my case. I won't categorize that as more recent. More work? Why? Because you did some shitty post by post analysis? I came to a solid conclusion:
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On August 22 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote:
I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end.

Which is basicly the same you came to during your post-by-post:
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On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote:
-Cut-

Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases.
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More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players.
-Cut-

Given the fact I made the case during N1 I couldn't vote and so much have happened since that just blindly voting Mattchew now seems, in my eyes, a bit of an overkill and out of place. I'm still re-reading d1 and trying to put the pieces together.

Found this gem:

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On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote:
If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive.


Do with that info however you want.



Avoiding responsibility and Apathy about who is lynched
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On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote:
So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson.

TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list.




B. Pushing their agenda
Promoting confusion
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On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far.

Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread.


On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:
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On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far.

Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread.

On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight

##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes

On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.

Also: sup guyses


I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL

Basically all I wanted

I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post.


Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing



soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles?


Track the damage track the scum


Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response.
All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum?

I dislike Drazerk's posting so far...

I end it with this lulz:
On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)

So the following -

No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum

Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green


Why do you keep stating obvious things -_-


I have my reasons


I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice.




I never defend myself

You should know this by now


Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad.


Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game.




Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah


Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage.

On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:

And lastly:
@heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy?


All this, while not doing much of anything to promote a better discussion, he blandly points a finger at draz and doesnt ask questions.


##vote: dirkzor




General theoretical question to the thread, if you took .5 kp of damage last night would you tell the thread?
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Mattchew
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August 23 2012 23:33 GMT
#1053
since i asked an no one answered ill ask specifically of people

VE or Memetoss, if you were shot (with .5 kp) what would you tell the thread as town and what would you tell the thread as scum?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 00:40 GMT
#1061
so since everyone wants to ignore my question

i am pikachu, a blue pokemon, who can do .5 kp of damage every night and I shot wiggles night 1 and he never said anything about being shot which i find weird. I also think Dirk is scum so I would like to lynch him and finish my shots on wiggles but meh whatever.

the amount of connection theory scum hunting going on is disgusting by the way.

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Mattchew
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August 24 2012 01:11 GMT
#1070
wiggles i shot you cause i thought you had a lesser chance of being lynched day 2
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Mattchew
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August 24 2012 01:12 GMT
#1071
oh and that second quote was written during day 2. cause i wanted to finish my shooting of you night 2, but now i realize that may not work like that
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Mattchew
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August 24 2012 01:42 GMT
#1079
i thought it was .5 added if you are deemed effective/super-effective. I didn't breadcrumb or call it cause thats dumb when there is flavor with the deaths (something i asked ahead of time) and I have more than 1 shot and there could be roles that like detective our roles or announce them to the thread (aka make me a sweet mafia target)

is there anything else you want explained or does this cover "all this shit"
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Mattchew
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August 24 2012 01:51 GMT
#1086
On August 24 2012 10:49 HiroPro wrote:
I love how you didn't answer the most important question, mattchew.

?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 01:58 GMT
#1090
but i didnt claim to shoot toad.

I didn't shoot dirkzor cause I was even on wiggles and dirk for being scum and dirk was being pushed more actively in the thread for a lynch, which means in my mind the end result was both dead by the end of n2. I didn't know I was shooting with a full kp and upon retrospect, this may be pretty stupid, although I still don't know if this is true.

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Mattchew
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August 24 2012 02:06 GMT
#1093
On August 24 2012 10:54 HiroPro wrote:
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On August 24 2012 10:51 Mattchew wrote:
On August 24 2012 10:49 HiroPro wrote:
I love how you didn't answer the most important question, mattchew.

?


I was talking about how you didn't address the point of why you actually thought wiggles was scum.

Yeah I touched on it earlier but didn't do a full case, mostly cause I wasn't trying to lynch him, just kill him n2
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 02:08 GMT
#1094
On August 24 2012 11:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On August 24 2012 10:58 Mattchew wrote:
but i didnt claim to shoot toad.

I didn't shoot dirkzor cause I was even on wiggles and dirk for being scum and dirk was being pushed more actively in the thread for a lynch, which means in my mind the end result was both dead by the end of n2. I didn't know I was shooting with a full kp and upon retrospect, this may be pretty stupid, although I still don't know if this is true.



because, I dunno, you wouldn't have the foresight as a townie with a goddamn KP power to ask the host if your type affects it?

Or, maybe read the OP?

Wtf? I don't believe this one bit. How can you get a role PM that tells you that you're an electric type pokemon, with the OP telling you that electric types get +0.5KP, then come back and appear this ignorant? This has to be a fucking scumclaim.

I did read the OP and as I said, I was under the impression that those were the added "values" if you were to hit a target that would be considered "effective"
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 14:32 GMT
#1114
So you all believe that I have a scum team that didn't tell me I have a full kp instead of a .5 and that if I had known I had a full kp I would still post in the thread that I shot a target I didnt end up actually shooting and one that didn't die and that I hit them .5 kp. All this would be a huge risk for what? What does me flipping scum make wiggles ?

Are you all this bad at deductive reasoning?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 17:30 GMT
#1147
Lol hopeless is so right that its scummy. His whole post reeks of told you so shit also look at dirks indecisiveness in his voting of me....

And to everyone, no you aren't lynching bad town, lol keep calling my play bad but not supporting that at all. My Case on dirk has been completely ignored in analysis

Yeah and if you believe I am pikachu and you are still voting me I can't stress how dumb and BAD (it's correct use) that is
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 17:38 GMT
#1152
how did I earn the votes exactly? was it all of the enlightening cases on me that don't exist? or was it the fact that I "didn't try hard and didn't do anything for town" despite making a case on my lynch target and pushing for his lynch, which is more than 75% of the people in this game have done? Why am I the lynch you may ask, its because of terrible connection theories in relation to n1 and BC's demise and a supposed scumslip that doesnt actually exist.

I got another post but I just re-woke up so gimme a minute
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 17:53 GMT
#1159
Why you should believe I am pikachu

No electric pokemon (with night kp) has died. No one has counter claimed me being pikachu, and no one has claimed the hit on toad, which with Jingle's claim, makes me the (accidental) killer of Toad. AKA Pikachu. This isn't an argument, this is facts. Also, for me to post that I shot at wiggles would be so ballsy if I wasn't Pikachu because he is alive and can easily counter-claim that shot, which almost happened


Why if you believe that I am Pikachu you actually believe I am town (or 3rd party if there is one I guess)

Hopeless did a really good (too good) job of pointing out the posts where I believed I had .5 kp and had shot wiggles. To say I have 4 or 5 or w.e teammates, and none of them point out to me that I actually have 1kp and even if I don't believe them I wouldn't ask a mod at the very least, is fucking insane. If I was scum I would have known I was firing off 1kp.


TLDR; If you are voting me you are voting what is basically a game-mechanics confirmed mislynch.



I am fine with switching the votes to hopeless or Dirk.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 17:55 GMT
#1160
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On August 25 2012 02:53 Mattchew wrote:
Why you should believe I am pikachu

No electric pokemon (with night kp) has died. No one has counter claimed me being pikachu, and no one has claimed the hit on toad, which with Jingle's claim, makes me the (accidental) killer of Toad. AKA Pikachu. This isn't an argument, this is facts. Also, for me to post that I shot at wiggles would be so ballsy if I wasn't Pikachu because he is alive and can easily counter-claim that shot, which almost happened


Why if you believe that I am Pikachu you actually believe I am town (or 3rd party if there is one I guess)

Hopeless did a really good (too good) job of pointing out the posts where I believed I had .5 kp and had shot wiggles. To say I have 4 or 5 or w.e teammates, and none of them point out to me that I actually have 1kp and even if I don't believe them I wouldn't ask a mod at the very least, is fucking insane. If I was scum I would have known I was firing off 1kp.


TLDR; If you are voting me you are voting what is basically a game-mechanics confirmed mislynch.



I am fine with switching the votes to hopeless or Dirk.


BTW this is why you are playing BAD if you are voting me

WBG and VE should know better. Especially WBG

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 18:01 GMT
#1164
On August 25 2012 02:58 Kurumi wrote:
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On August 25 2012 02:55 Mattchew wrote:
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On August 25 2012 02:53 Mattchew wrote:
Why you should believe I am pikachu

No electric pokemon (with night kp) has died. No one has counter claimed me being pikachu, and no one has claimed the hit on toad, which with Jingle's claim, makes me the (accidental) killer of Toad. AKA Pikachu. This isn't an argument, this is facts. Also, for me to post that I shot at wiggles would be so ballsy if I wasn't Pikachu because he is alive and can easily counter-claim that shot, which almost happened


Why if you believe that I am Pikachu you actually believe I am town (or 3rd party if there is one I guess)

Hopeless did a really good (too good) job of pointing out the posts where I believed I had .5 kp and had shot wiggles. To say I have 4 or 5 or w.e teammates, and none of them point out to me that I actually have 1kp and even if I don't believe them I wouldn't ask a mod at the very least, is fucking insane. If I was scum I would have known I was firing off 1kp.


TLDR; If you are voting me you are voting what is basically a game-mechanics confirmed mislynch.



I am fine with switching the votes to hopeless or Dirk.


BTW this is why you are playing BAD if you are voting me

WBG and VE should know better. Especially WBG


Bum wa Voltorb and it is electric , bugs hopeless slipped bad and we need to lynch him, misder is vig food

voltorb didnt have night kp, only day kp LOOK AT ME I READ THE ROLE PM'S!!!!1!!!!!!1!
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 18:02 GMT
#1167
i didnt read the pm's he had to announce his shooting herp derp

Shockwave: Once per game you may shock someone for 0.5KP by writing ##Shockwave ""name"" in the thread. If that player is in a coma it will also wake them up. This can be done at any time.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 18:03 GMT
#1168
On August 25 2012 03:02 Kurumi wrote:
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On August 25 2012 03:01 Mattchew wrote:
On August 25 2012 02:58 Kurumi wrote:
On August 25 2012 02:55 Mattchew wrote:
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On August 25 2012 02:53 Mattchew wrote:
Why you should believe I am pikachu

No electric pokemon (with night kp) has died. No one has counter claimed me being pikachu, and no one has claimed the hit on toad, which with Jingle's claim, makes me the (accidental) killer of Toad. AKA Pikachu. This isn't an argument, this is facts. Also, for me to post that I shot at wiggles would be so ballsy if I wasn't Pikachu because he is alive and can easily counter-claim that shot, which almost happened


Why if you believe that I am Pikachu you actually believe I am town (or 3rd party if there is one I guess)

Hopeless did a really good (too good) job of pointing out the posts where I believed I had .5 kp and had shot wiggles. To say I have 4 or 5 or w.e teammates, and none of them point out to me that I actually have 1kp and even if I don't believe them I wouldn't ask a mod at the very least, is fucking insane. If I was scum I would have known I was firing off 1kp.


TLDR; If you are voting me you are voting what is basically a game-mechanics confirmed mislynch.



I am fine with switching the votes to hopeless or Dirk.


BTW this is why you are playing BAD if you are voting me

WBG and VE should know better. Especially WBG


Bum wa Voltorb and it is electric , bugs hopeless slipped bad and we need to lynch him, misder is vig food

voltorb didnt have night kp, only day kp LOOK AT ME I READ THE ROLE PM'S!!!!1!!!!!!1!

Ooooh I did not grasp what you tried to say, sorry! Luv you <3

<3 sry i was rude im on edge you are my muse <3
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 18:04 GMT
#1170
On August 25 2012 03:03 Kenpachi wrote:
rather kill WIGGLES now but its 2late heh?

how about hopeless or dirk?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 18:20 GMT
#1176
On August 25 2012 03:13 Mementoss wrote:
Mattchew can we do a quick Q&A:

Why did you shoot wiggles in the first place? You mention that you think he wouldn't get lynched day 2. And you only had a quick sentence on why you thought he was scum. Why him over someone else or a lurker?

Well I thought he was doing literally nothing except summarizing events of the thread. Wiggles is usually a very well thought out poster but with actual opinions, not observations as town. I have too much respect for Wiggles town-play to not think him scum with his performance thus far

Can you explain the motivation behind this quote:
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On August 23 2012 13:30 Mattchew wrote:
in a weird twist, i would only rather lynch wiggles if it is either me or him.

i would much much rather lynch dirk


I shot at wiggles with what I believed to be .5 kp. I wanted to finish what I started with wiggles n2 and lynch dirk d2, resulting in both of them dead at the d3 post. If wiggles was lynched, I would have had to shot dirk twice in my mind.


Why did you decide wiggles was not scum after your shot didn't go through?

I have not decided wiggles is not scum and I still believe him to be scum. However he has lowered himself on my list behind dirk and hopeless. I would also like to re-read misder.


Also, you only mention Dirk or hopeless, what do you think about Misder?

Misder I still think could have actually been afk this whole time, saw an easy way to break back into the thread by voting me which to the gazing and not reading eye would be the obvious lynch at that time being that i had like 80% of the votes. However this is also sketchy as fuck. I need to re-read him
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 19:15 GMT
#1193
On August 25 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Do you actually believe your defense though Hopeless?

It's basically:

-Look at how he (didn't) breadcrumb his shot!
-I bet he misunderstood the mechanics! (something you can't know)
-His claim that does nothing to reveal his alignment is justified!
-BC said he was town! Sheep BC!

It was never a particularly good defense to begin with =/

did you read my posts?

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 19:20 GMT
#1196
would a med saved person be alerted they were saved?

and would someone be alerted they were shot, even if they are a vet


and wiggles why has no one claimed the hit on toad then?
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Mattchew
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August 24 2012 19:26 GMT
#1202
On August 25 2012 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On August 25 2012 04:20 Mattchew wrote:
would a med saved person be alerted they were saved?

and would someone be alerted they were shot, even if they are a vet


and wiggles why has no one claimed the hit on toad then?

What are you talking about?

I am talking about me being pikachu and shooting toad. If it wasn't me, why has no one claimed it.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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August 24 2012 19:32 GMT
#1208
On August 25 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On August 25 2012 04:26 Mattchew wrote:
On August 25 2012 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On August 25 2012 04:20 Mattchew wrote:
would a med saved person be alerted they were saved?

and would someone be alerted they were shot, even if they are a vet


and wiggles why has no one claimed the hit on toad then?

What are you talking about?

I am talking about me being pikachu and shooting toad. If it wasn't me, why has no one claimed it.

I didn't say it wasn't you, I said that at the time that Jingle claimed, there was no indication that it was you, and thus no pressure on him to claim. His claim didn't come out of pressure, it came out of wanting to clear up confusion, a town motivation.

Also, in a theoretical world where it wasn't you who killed toad, they probably wouldn't claim for the same wrong reasons 90% of people don't claim their vig shots.

wait so what do you think of me
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 19:37 GMT
#1213
On August 25 2012 04:27 Kenpachi wrote:
##unvote Mattchew
##vote Hopeless1der

On August 25 2012 04:28 Kenpachi wrote:
##unvote Hopeless1der
##vote Mr. Wiggles



ken makin moves
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 20:36 GMT
#1244
why hiro
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 20:44 GMT
#1247
hopeless did never actually think i was scum...

and he had this post about me awhile before his really long one
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 24 2012 11:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
Hurray for claiming!

I think Mattchew is stupid for not understanding the KP mechanics, but ultimately town.
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 13:30 Mattchew wrote:
in a weird twist, i would only rather lynch wiggles if it is either me or him.

i would much much rather lynch dirk

There's the crumb for his shot, or as close as I could find.

I'm waiting on dirk to tell me why he thinks I'm scum
I think wiggles is my lynch of choice for today, as he has got off entirely too easy following the hit on BC. He got some breathing room and he comes back with a strong defensive post but doesn't know who to vote yet, or who he suspects. He also won't go after bugs anymore even though the Day1 wagons were supposedly started by scum.

##Vote:Mr.Wiggles

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 20:51 GMT
#1254
VE explain wtf you've been doing this game
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 20:51 GMT
#1258
and i am voting hopeless cause he was just too right about me, and it screams him knowing my alignment
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 21:12 GMT
#1271
fuckk... in retrospect i was very blinded by the fact that he was basically the ONLY one seeing how I saw things. This made me question why he saw it and no one else did. Thats why I voted for him and thought he was scum. sorry hope
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 21:17 GMT
#1272
i will not be saying who i am shooting.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 24 2012 22:07 GMT
#1292
hey VE

why do you join games if you don't intend to play them?

What I mean is - one-liners aren't, strictly speaking, "playing" the game. They're like...active observing. It's getting really fucking old and I'd really like a reason to not vote you
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 25 2012 21:15 GMT
#1323
I did not shoot heist I shot at dirk
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 26 2012 16:52 GMT
#1361
I did not get any alert if being rb'd... I am down to lynch wiggles cause of him doing nothing and bc thinking he's scum, dirk for reasons mentioned before and I feel like he had forced "emotions" earlier that I can't quote from my phone, or misder for doing nothing and ninja voting
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 27 2012 18:54 GMT
#1401
I am still voting dirkzor, because he is scum.

I can be persuaded to switch to misder

can we get a vote count
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 27 2012 22:37 GMT
#1510
On August 28 2012 05:28 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 19:02 Dirkzor wrote:
I logic is fine. You are scum. BC write "blah blah Dirkzor is scum". You think "Dirk os town - I'll agree without saying why or add anything of my own"

And you stopped defending yourself by now. All you do now are dismissing things you don't like.

I'll list up MY reasons for you being scum:
  • Taking the easy way out D1. (Targeting grush)
  • When pressured by S&B you suddenly change you stance and support his case on Drazerk.
  • You try to dismiss the votes on you as a wagon.
  • You attack me and wiggles when we voted you
  • Your reasoning for calling me scum (and voting) doesn't add up with the timeline of what actually happened.
  • You don't defend you dismiss.


So there you have it.


Repost because it is still valid.

repost because it is still valid
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 27 2012 22:38 GMT
#1511
and sorry i went away at the time of lynch. I got called into a hospital
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 28 2012 12:12 GMT
#1530
I am not shooting tonight.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 28 2012 13:17 GMT
#1536
Shooting is irresponsible and selfish as hell, I have yet to actually hit my target and now jingle said he didn't misdirect my last shot which means scum could be picking my target. I refuse to shoot until this is figured out, I don't want my shots to result in the death of town
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 28 2012 20:59 GMT
#1619
I lied, I shot at Dirkzor. Figured I would WIFOM whether or not I was shooting to hopefully avoid any interuption with where my shot was heading

Dirk begging me to shoot makes me nervous however. If he is still alive I really want to lynch him and see his motivation for wanting me to shoot so bad. Also, in my case + Show Spoiler +
On August 24 2012 01:53 Mattchew wrote:
Why we should lynch Dirkzor, according the the TL Mafia Vets who wrote a guide


A. Survival
Hiding/Blending in
+ Show Spoiler +

This thread stinks, everyone else has said it, why not me? I wanna look like I care too guys!
On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far.

Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread.

On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight

##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes

On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.

Also: sup guyses


I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL

Basically all I wanted

I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post.


Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing



soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles?


Track the damage track the scum


Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response.
All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum?

I dislike Drazerk's posting so far...

I end it with this lulz:
On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)

So the following -

No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum

Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green


Why do you keep stating obvious things -_-


I have my reasons


I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice.




I never defend myself

You should know this by now


Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad.


Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game.




Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah


Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage.


Posting long but contentless posts
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work.


Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad.

The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC.

I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards.


Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam.

Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve.

Seems pretty open shut to me atm.


A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread.

While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning.



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On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected.

I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example:


On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote:
I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info?



On August 21 2012 09:00 imallinson wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise?

cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town


Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently.

My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say?


It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting?


The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help:

On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote:
On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.

One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder.


Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles.

You can deal KP? Your a vig role.
You can protect? medic role.
You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist.

Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics.


I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that.

As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else.

I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play.


But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum?


It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up.

On August 21 2012 08:12 Drazerk wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)

So the following -

No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum

Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green


On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote:
Also to go one step further

I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it


Herp derp?

I don't know if anyone else noticed this (I have to reread some of what I missed) but I saw this and figured it has to be pointed out.

Unfortunately it's Drazerk, so to be completely honest my read of Drazerk doesn't change here.


I'm an exception to my own rule because at some point I need to be taken down for the good of the town


But is that point now?


So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum?

In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in.

##vote imallinson

While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that.



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On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:
On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise?

cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town


Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently.

My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say?

I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game.

You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently


You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough.

But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing.


A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE.

And lastly:
@heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy?





Not wanting to point fingers
+ Show Spoiler +
Only goes after VE and myself, and has now gone after... no one?
also this post, where he brings up things but doesnt accuse anyone of anything
On August 23 2012 23:47 Dirkzor wrote:
I don't read irony.... But reading your run-in with mattchew does make it make sense a bit more.

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There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle.


Wait, what? More recent? That was 1-2 pages and about 10 hours after my case. I won't categorize that as more recent. More work? Why? Because you did some shitty post by post analysis? I came to a solid conclusion:
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On August 22 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote:
I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end.

Which is basicly the same you came to during your post-by-post:
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On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote:
-Cut-

Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases.
-Cut-
More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players.
-Cut-

Given the fact I made the case during N1 I couldn't vote and so much have happened since that just blindly voting Mattchew now seems, in my eyes, a bit of an overkill and out of place. I'm still re-reading d1 and trying to put the pieces together.

Found this gem:

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On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote:
If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive.


Do with that info however you want.



Avoiding responsibility and Apathy about who is lynched
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote:
So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson.

TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list.




B. Pushing their agenda
Promoting confusion
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far.

Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread.


On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:
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On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far.

Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread.

On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight

##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes

On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.

Also: sup guyses


I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL

Basically all I wanted

I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post.


Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing



soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles?


Track the damage track the scum


Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response.
All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum?

I dislike Drazerk's posting so far...

I end it with this lulz:
On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)

So the following -

No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum

Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green


Why do you keep stating obvious things -_-


I have my reasons


I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice.




I never defend myself

You should know this by now


Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad.


Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game.




Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah


Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage.

On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:

And lastly:
@heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy?


All this, while not doing much of anything to promote a better discussion, he blandly points a finger at draz and doesnt ask questions.


##vote: dirkzor




General theoretical question to the thread, if you took .5 kp of damage last night would you tell the thread?

you can add (from Incognito's A General Guide to Mafia)

Promoting confusion

Making a big deal about nothing


from the last couple pages of the thread.

also,
On August 24 2012 05:06 Dirkzor wrote:
And BC can't be wrong? Not ever... never ever... And toad didn't want to comment on Zephirdd - is he scum then? Toad didn't comment on allinson and he flipped town...

This right here is just awful btw.

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 28 2012 21:35 GMT
#1643
On August 25 2012 02:53 Mattchew wrote:
Why you should believe I am pikachu

No electric pokemon (with night kp) has died. No one has counter claimed me being pikachu, and no one has claimed the hit on toad, which with Jingle's claim, makes me the (accidental) killer of Toad. AKA Pikachu. This isn't an argument, this is facts. Also, for me to post that I shot at wiggles would be so ballsy if I wasn't Pikachu because he is alive and can easily counter-claim that shot, which almost happened


Why if you believe that I am Pikachu you actually believe I am town (or 3rd party if there is one I guess)

Hopeless did a really good (too good) job of pointing out the posts where I believed I had .5 kp and had shot wiggles. To say I have 4 or 5 or w.e teammates, and none of them point out to me that I actually have 1kp and even if I don't believe them I wouldn't ask a mod at the very least, is fucking insane. If I was scum I would have known I was firing off 1kp.


TLDR; If you are voting me you are voting what is basically a game-mechanics confirmed mislynch.



I am fine with switching the votes to hopeless or Dirk.

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 02:11 GMT
#1655
On August 29 2012 10:56 Zephirdd wrote:
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On August 29 2012 10:51 austinmcc wrote:
Odd, because I got a message that I took a little damage. That would mean I either got hit with something heavy or maybe an ineffective match between us so less protection?


I'd assume the following may have happened:
1. something disrupted my action and it didn't protect you(like, for instance, when mattchew said to shoot someone but it hit someone else)
2. I am not very effective against you, and that means I didn't protect you for the whole 1.0kp, which would mean you take a smaller percentage of damage
3. The attack did more than 1.0kp of damage and you took only a part of it
4. A combination of 2 and 3

what pokemon are you?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 16:32 GMT
#1668
Ok so wheres psyduck at?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 16:41 GMT
#1670
On August 30 2012 01:35 BioSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 01:30 Drazerk wrote:
Ok you all can't possibly be playing guild wars / WoW so talk!

I prefer grush over Bio but that is probably because grush is more in your face annoying rather than keeping under the radar



Ok. I've woken up, had my coffee, and have nothing to do today. Lets talk. Quack.

who have you targeted with your ability
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 17:24 GMT
#1674
On August 30 2012 02:13 Drazerk wrote:
What is your ability? (You've already claimed psyduck which means Kurumi can shoot you in the face)

kurumi dont do this

every night bio
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 17:25 GMT
#1675
On August 30 2012 02:24 austinmcc wrote:
For now, just looking back over some kills/actions/whatnot.

Dirk's Death
Mattchew claimed to shoot Dirk. Dirk is dead. The only odd thing about that death is that electric attacks should be super effective against water, yes? So each shot should have done (.5 kp + .5 for electric kp role) * 2 for effectiveness. Matt says he shot Dirk N2 and again N3 -
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 06:15 Mattchew wrote:
I did not shoot heist I shot at dirk
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 05:59 Mattchew wrote:
I lied, I shot at Dirkzor. Figured I would WIFOM whether or not I was shooting to hopefully avoid any interuption with where my shot was heading

If that's true, EACH shot should have done 2 KP of damage. So either someone protected Dirk for more than 1 kp on N2, the shot went off but did not hit because of unknown reasons, or Matt is lying.

Mafia Factional KP
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 06:40 HiroPro wrote:
the mafia team kp probably changes flavor/type depending on who carries it out.

Hiro, why do you think this? If this is the case, which of the NKs would you think are mafia shots?


Beyond that, I'm at work but can put a little bit of time in this afternoon. As of this moment I don't want a Grush lynch, and will try to pinpoint exactly why this feels like townGrush and not scumGrush. Bugs had some good thoughts on Grush in the obs of LVI iirc, worth looking at.

Specifically to Grush, don't just check out. I'd like to know (1) if you have any KP that you can direct (shots, putting bombs on people, etc.). No need to claim more than that atm. (2) If each player remaining was an antelope, who would be the most graceful antelope and who would be the sickly, old one that gets picked off by lions?




did you see how heist died?
I believe that is where my shot went
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 17:29 GMT
#1676
oh and bio depending on how you answer who you targeted each night, i think you should let me decide to revel your role or not.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 17:38 GMT
#1678
On August 30 2012 02:32 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 02:25 Mattchew wrote:
did you see how heist died?
I believe that is where my shot went

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 06:18 GreYMisT wrote:
Toadestern, as Giovanni with a Meowth met a shocking end
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 06:14 deconduo wrote:
Heist, the Koffing, has been electrocuted.
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 06:07 GreYMisT wrote:
Dirkzor the Squirtle met a shocking end

One of these things is not like the other.

oh wow. I did not realize that

I guess I did not shoot heist.

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 17:59 GMT
#1682
ok I am voting biosc until he tells me who he targeted each night with his ability. I really hope the rest of you will to

##vote biosc
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 18:00 GMT
#1684
On August 30 2012 03:00 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 02:59 Mattchew wrote:
ok I am voting biosc until he tells me who he targeted each night with his ability. I really hope the rest of you will to

##vote biosc


Care to explain?

i would rather force him to answer. then explain
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 18:50 GMT
#1690
austin can you confirm that you got +.5 protection?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 18:51 GMT
#1691
ps bio is not lying which makes believe he is town.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 23:15 GMT
#1701
austin you around?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 29 2012 23:17 GMT
#1702
lol didnt refresh to see you just post, anyway, to austin

I would like to know your reads on kurumi, draz and hiropro
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 00:20 GMT
#1706
Train of thought post

11 people left (i believe, i wouldn't mind someone double checking my list spoiler'd below)
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Zephirdd
2. Kenpachi
3. Kurumi
4. Drazerk
5. grush57
6. BioSC
7. HiroPro
8. Mattchew
9. JingleHell
10. Mr.Wiggles
11. austinmc


Toad Chez Misder have all died as scum and WBG died as a sk

In a game of 25 there is likely 5 or 6 mafia, so 2 or 3 more out of 11 remain.




so in this game i think the basically confirmed town are

Mattchew, BioSC (its not his exact role, its how he has used it) and Jinglehell

people I have a town read on include

austin, zeph

people austin (i agree with his assesments) has a town read on

kurumi, draz

this leaves

kenpachi, grush, hiropro and wiggles as the make up of our scum team




zeph who have you protected each night? thanks
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 00:21 GMT
#1707
btw

unvote
vote: mr. wiggles
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 00:25 GMT
#1708
hiropro thoughts on my post?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 01:29 GMT
#1717
Mass claim time.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 01:48 GMT
#1719
hiro claim pokemon

wiggles claim the pokemon you are
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 02:17 GMT
#1725
mattchew is stupid
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 03:25 GMT
#1728
Ken please claim your pokemon
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 12:51 GMT
#1734
Draz it's not his role it's how he has used it...
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 12:52 GMT
#1735
If he was scum and had given misder .5 protection misder woulda killed meme without dying himself
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 13:09 GMT
#1738
On August 30 2012 21:52 austinmcc wrote:
BioSC's role doesn't make him town, and claiming it doesn't make him town, because you can't make a false claim when you out yourself to the person who created your role.

His targets look alright to me, although sure, he could be making them up.

well did you get +.5 life n2?

I believe jingle claimed he did
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 13:09 GMT
#1739
EBWOP i believe jingle claimed he received notice that he did n3
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 13:19 GMT
#1743
On August 30 2012 22:16 Drazerk wrote:
Dunno if scum think they can control the lynch or the VT laser it really doesn't matter what they target you with

have you claimed?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 13:46 GMT
#1750
anyway, austin unless you are fakeclaiming your hit, he saved you from death which would be really dumb if he was scum to +.5 you and shoot you

so basically it would have to be a bio + austin scum team (maybe 1 more) which i really really doubt

Jingle still had no scum reason to claim his role, and his role would have been much better kept a secret if he was scum. If he was scum he probably coulda gotten me lynched pretty easily without that claim.


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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 13:57 GMT
#1755
On August 30 2012 22:51 austinmcc wrote:
Draz, the downtime that you've complained about each of the last two days is sleep for some of the world. I'm east coast US and was asleep during that, so anyone further west here ought to have been as well.

Matt, all I can say is I didn't receive a pm about having a shield. I don't think I would have though. It doesn't show Bio's lying, it doesn't show JH is lying. Zephir also said he protted me last night, so I'm thinking I didn't have a shield, because I would have had to be double stacked to go through prot and shield and still take damage (I'm assuming), and that seems unlikely to me at this stage of the game, especially with 2 claimed medics and a claimed vig running around. But again, me not having a shield should have to do with my pokemans, and not with whether or not Bio targetted me N2.

oh.. forgot zeph prot'd you... im dumb
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 13:57 GMT
#1756
On August 30 2012 22:54 Drazerk wrote:
The warning at the top of the page is purposely misspelled ^^

nah dude, its a troll witch doctor taking down the site, so its a ward
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 16:30 GMT
#1759
austin can you claim your pokemon and ability and exactly what damage you took?

please and thank you
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 17:28 GMT
#1763
On August 31 2012 02:08 Drazerk wrote:
Ok guys wanting austin to claim here is one for you -

Do you think Kurumi is town?

Do you think Kurumi is responsible?

So kurumi can name a pokemon and make them VT?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 17:31 GMT
#1765
On August 31 2012 02:08 Drazerk wrote:
Ok guys wanting austin to claim here is one for you -

Do you think Kurumi is town?

Do you think Kurumi is responsible?

btw, at this point i am fairly confident that we can just lynch our way to victory and our powers wont be absolutely necessary
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 18:01 GMT
#1775
wiggle why no check night 1

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 18:20 GMT
#1777
k austin gogo claim

i am thinking a grush or wiggles lynch (wiggles to verify info)
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 18:45 GMT
#1782
i am going golfing in 15 minutes and wont be back for the lynch (which is today right?)

Grush needs to claim and so does kenpachi

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 18:45 GMT
#1783
NINJA MUTHA FUCKA'D
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 18:45 GMT
#1784
we should lynch grush today i think
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 30 2012 18:56 GMT
#1787
On August 31 2012 03:47 Drazerk wrote:
Wait how did someone manage to possibly find the flavour to make snorlax a medic?

I say that and we have a hitmonlee who wields key blades...

I honestly prefer a Grush lynch over Wiggles

i gave psyduck a medic power
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 31 2012 03:26 GMT
#1832
kenpachi, explain your exact role and why i shouldn't shoot you and who i should shoot
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 31 2012 19:55 GMT
#1871
draz and kurumi who you talking about
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 31 2012 20:02 GMT
#1873
i thought so, just making sure
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 31 2012 20:04 GMT
#1874
im shooting kenpachi btw
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 31 2012 20:12 GMT
#1876
On September 01 2012 05:05 Drazerk wrote:
You say an hour before the deadline with two other medics in play.

so? they wouldnt protect a scum
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 31 2012 20:18 GMT
#1881
yeah hiro its time to claim abilities
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 31 2012 20:45 GMT
#1883
tell me now or i shoot you
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 31 2012 21:00 GMT
#1885
if i die look at the medics cause it would be retarded for me to die.

i actually did shoot at hiro, not cause of just this, but the kenpachi shot (fake)claim was to bait jinglehell if he is scum (which i doubt).

shooting grush would be stupid and could get me killed.

shooting austin, draz, or bio would be irresponsible

when kenpachi lives, town wins usually so i dont want to shoot him

shooting zeph wouldnt have been bad either but meh w/e
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 31 2012 21:05 GMT
#1887
Also, I am leaving for Philly basically now. I will have super limited access to internet other than my phone once in a while. sorry in advance.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 31 2012 21:36 GMT
#1914
My static rb'd hiro how did he not die
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 02 2012 19:36 GMT
#2069
Haven't read just looked who should I vote
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 02 2012 19:42 GMT
#2073
Voting hiro
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 02 2012 21:10 GMT
#2103
shouldn't grush be lynched then since votes on hiro shouldnt count?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 02 2012 21:44 GMT
#2108
On September 03 2012 06:18 austinmcc wrote:
Hopefully when the international ends we'll get more discussion overnight.

Right now I'm thinking I will hide instead of shooting. That way we'll have 1 or 2 medic protects for a small amount of townies, maybe we can block scum KP again. That way we'd have another pikachu shot and a lynch, hopefully hit scum with one or both, and things will be a little more clear tomorrow night. If I missed tonight, that would be both a townie down AND a vote down tomorrow because I lost my vote for the day after shooting, and I don't really want to risk that.

i think you should shoot kenpachi and i will shoot at zeph then we lynch grush
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 03 2012 21:38 GMT
#2153
who is alive still
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 03 2012 21:43 GMT
#2154
i shot kenpachi, and i think grush actually killed draz. so i think that jingle is last scum

also, i vote for 24 hour day
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 03 2012 21:58 GMT
#2162
On September 04 2012 06:56 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 06:43 Mattchew wrote:
i shot kenpachi, and i think grush actually killed draz. so i think that jingle is last scum

also, i vote for 24 hour day

Considering drazerk is scum, why would he shoot someone who claimed reflectability?

Pretty sure austin killed him(hint of that on his previous concerns regarding the KP he took). I protected mattchew trying to heal the confirmed townies, but I guess I lost the WIFOM battle.

now, we have kurumi and grush. I don't think its surprising when I say that grush is the guy that should die: he has an anti-town role, playing completely insane, and everything he has done the whole game was finger point as town players with the exception of obvlurker misder

Considering that kurumi has been making much more sense, it's needless to say that I think he is town. If he is scum, then well played.

And I agree with 24hr days.

##vote grush57(will bold on the voting thread)

why not jingle?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 03 2012 22:02 GMT
#2167
fine,

since i can shoot jingle tonight

##vote grush
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 05 2012 21:30 GMT
#2182
Kurumi
JingleHell
Zephirdd
myself

whos the scum
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 06 2012 16:02 GMT
#2191
Everyone needs to say who they are voting tomorrow I am voting kurumi and not shooting
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 06 2012 20:48 GMT
#2197
Kurumi scum
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 06 2012 21:02 GMT
#2200
Yeah kurumi I don't think your scum I just wanted you to live
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 06 2012 22:34 GMT
#2215
We should lynch zeph so I can shoot jingle
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 07 2012 01:01 GMT
#2217
oh wait... i took a hit last night lol.. i guess that clears zeph..

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 07 2012 21:17 GMT
#2221
voting jinglehell
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 08 2012 00:44 GMT
#2224
On September 08 2012 07:25 JingleHell wrote:
We didn't get endgamed, meaning Zeph should be confirmed town? This means we REALLY shouldn't have swapped to hopeless that one day. FML. I had the right guy back then.

Voting Matt in morning.

lol scum scum scum
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 08 2012 21:28 GMT
#2227
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 08 2012 21:40 GMT
#2228
I shot at jingle btw
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 08 2012 22:14 GMT
#2233
Why did we have a night phase if zeph couldn't be shot
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 08 2012 22:17 GMT
#2235
Wp zeph I wanted to lynch you but for some reason everyone thought you were town
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