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On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Take In Sunlight ##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote: On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote: On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back. Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind) So the following - No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. | ||
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On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote: Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Take In Sunlight ##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote: On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote: On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back. Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind) So the following - No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. | ||
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On August 21 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote: If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work. Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad. The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC. I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards. Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam. Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve. Seems pretty open shut to me atm. A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread. While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning. On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected. I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote: I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info? Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 09:00 imallinson wrote: On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting? The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote: On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote: On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote: On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote: On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote: I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier. One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up. On August 21 2012 08:12 Drazerk wrote: On August 21 2012 08:05 wherebugsgo wrote: On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind) So the following - No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote: Also to go one step further I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it Herp derp? I don't know if anyone else noticed this (I have to reread some of what I missed) but I saw this and figured it has to be pointed out. Unfortunately it's Drazerk, so to be completely honest my read of Drazerk doesn't change here. I'm an exception to my own rule because at some point I need to be taken down for the good of the town But is that point now? So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that. On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote: On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough. But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing. A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE. And lastly: @heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? | ||
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If you find me scummy post why! Don't throw a ball up in the air for some townie to catch and throw. Thats what scummy people do... Same thing can be said about your Drazerk turn around. S&B added nothing new to the case but now its a good case whereas before is was bad? On August 21 2012 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote: @Wiggles I don't like where your vote is right now. I think it would be more useful elsewhere. Like Drazerk or Dirkzor. I can agree that the grush wagon isn't going anywhere, but I DISAGREE that my reasoning is a "cop-out" or that what I'm doing is "anti-town". I get that you think I don't care about finding scum, but I think you'll find that you're mistaken. Haha. Its the biggest cop-out ever. And I don't want to wait for you to show that you want to find scum. I want you to try and find scum now. And you haven't. Not just a little? ##Vote VE | ||
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I actually mentioned I had my eyes on you before the cases was posted so this didn't come out of nowhere. Also i pointed out your change of stance on the Drazerk case is stupid. Is that not new? But I get it. Discredit the 3rd voter and call it a wagon. Why not find a better candidate instead? (And don't say grush!) (And if I wanted to hide and blend I'm doing a shitty job.) | ||
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I might not have made I own "from the ground up case" but I have extended the cases on allinson and you. I would call that scumhunting. | ||
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See if you actually meant the things you write you would have brought this up: On August 21 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not terrible reasoning at all BC. Tell me what you think about Bumatlarge, BC...specifically his insistence that what I'm doing right now is anti-town, yet his reluctance to vote me. Where you actually agree with BC on his points why he thinks I'm scum. But you didn't. Because deep down you didn't agree with BC because you knew he was wrong and thus you forgot you found me scummy (and why). My vote on you stands. | ||
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And you stopped defending yourself by now. All you do now are dismissing things you don't like. I'll list up MY reasons for you being scum:
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I think imallinson is scum but the case so far only have 2 weak points. Him being meek and apologetic (and he weren't in earlier games) and him not posting when voted upon. Both can be explained with other things then him being scum. The best point is the first with the extentions WBG made that VE tried to derail the allinson case - but that is only relevant when we know the allignment of either of them. I wouldn't mind seeing him dead but I'd rather see VE dead. | ||
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On August 21 2012 22:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 17:39 Dirkzor wrote: Hey VE!? Why all of a sudden do you think people should vote me? You have made no mention of this earlier... Perfect time to take pressure off of yourself by adding another subject for scrutiny. A subject with already some focus from BC. If you find me scummy post why! Don't throw a ball up in the air for some townie to catch and throw. Thats what scummy people do... Same thing can be said about your Drazerk turn around. S&B added nothing new to the case but now its a good case whereas before is was bad? On August 21 2012 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote: @Wiggles I don't like where your vote is right now. I think it would be more useful elsewhere. Like Drazerk or Dirkzor. I can agree that the grush wagon isn't going anywhere, but I DISAGREE that my reasoning is a "cop-out" or that what I'm doing is "anti-town". I get that you think I don't care about finding scum, but I think you'll find that you're mistaken. Haha. Its the biggest cop-out ever. And I don't want to wait for you to show that you want to find scum. I want you to try and find scum now. And you haven't. Not just a little? ##Vote VE I like you Dirkzor. You make my job easy. You random hop on wagons, make the smallest posts in the world of "original content" to go into large say nothing posts, and you have honestly some of the worst reasons in the world for posting on people. You have also lied, not once but twice. The first I am willing to forgive as you were most likely aiming a test on a player second however was pure and unadulterated lie. Given that a town player would be doing his best to ensure every case he made was of actual information not pure lies, I am going out on a limb here to say you were expecting to think that it would be hidden well in your giant post of uselessness and not called out. Regardless you have clearly not been playing in the interests in the town and aside from the material on you the material on imallinson is by far the strongest and you discount it to push ve to appear less sheepy as you already do. ##vote dirkzor Heading to work, be back before deadline I hope. What other lie have I made than the imallinson thingy? I fail to see it and you fail to say what? Some of your statements BC are taken out of the air. I randomly hop on wagon_s_? I have voted VE. Thats 1 vote. You might call it a wagon but its still only 1. Town would make sure that all stuff was facts. I agree... but no scum would make a huge ass of himself with calling out someones meta in games they haven't even played... How do I expect that not to be figured out when the playing I'm talking about is still alive? It was a mistake and I have no clue how it happened. What posts of mine are inflated to appear bigger? I count maybe one. And thats only because of the quotes. My little discussion with VE seems to have generated some information. The worst thing is that I don't find you scummy at all BC. You should just look elsewhere. | ||
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On August 21 2012 23:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 23:19 Dirkzor wrote: After looking through it appears it was hopeless1der... I disagree with me hoping on your wagon. I actually decided not to vote you because 5 others had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all. I just voices my opinion about the case and my (wrong) findings. Why would the number of people voting him already factor into why you would vote him or not? Only scum worry about shit like that - town either find someone suspicious enough to vote or they don't, and you seemed plenty enough suspicious, especially considering your "findings" after doing meta research. Obviously your "findings" were wrong because you weren't even looking at the right player, but you thought it was right at the time...so why no vote? You can't even use the excuse of "Oh I was saving it for you" because you mentioned me in that post as well and didn't vote for me. I didn't vote because I wasn't convinced. Combine that with some people voting for him with no reason whatsoever made me hesitant. And I wasn't saving it for you... that came later. | ||
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I've never changed my stance about allinson. He appears scummy to me because of his meek and apologetic attitude. I wanted to see how that was in other games to find out how much weight I should put on this info. When he (still wrong) meta came of different the case had more merit. No place have I gone all out bananas calling him 100% scum and being my top target. I have just agreed that the points have merit and more such because of the (wrong) meta. This was however not enough for me to vote him and I didn't. And yes 2 out of 5 people voting on him without reason had an influence and also the fact that the 5 votes on him came relativly fast after eachother. I wanted to see how it progressed without me adding my vote to the wagon. | ||
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On August 22 2012 00:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 00:47 Dirkzor wrote: VE you can't just deduce my sentence so they make the point you want. "...because 5 others had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all." Was the sentence. That means "I didn't vote because 5 had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all". NOT "Because 5 other had voted". Period. I've never changed my stance about allinson. He appears scummy to me because of his meek and apologetic attitude. I wanted to see how that was in other games to find out how much weight I should put on this info. When he (still wrong) meta came of different the case had more merit. No place have I gone all out bananas calling him 100% scum and being my top target. I have just agreed that the points have merit and more such because of the (wrong) meta. This was however not enough for me to vote him and I didn't. And yes 2 out of 5 people voting on him without reason had an influence and also the fact that the 5 votes on him came relativly fast after eachother. I wanted to see how it progressed without me adding my vote to the wagon. But the case has merit or it doesn't - that's my point. You said the case had merit, verily even MORE merit given your (wrong) meta yet you STILL weren't convinced enough to vote? But, conversely, Wiggles' prod for me to get scumhunting and SnB's confirmation bias because I called his Draz case shitty was enough for you to vote me? Naaaah bro, that's not how we do things. I have a pretty firm grasp on what NOT to do, because I do it so very often. This is a textbook case of how we do NOT do things. I've never said the case doesn't had merits. It can be a case with good points and still be weak. And it IS weak. Thats why I didn't vote (and for you to not call me out for changing my mind i have to add and the fact that the wagon was forming so fast also mede me hesitant. And yes the cases on you and your "why not focus on someone else then me" part made it enough for me to vote you. And if the case wasn't on you, you might have been able to see that the cases on you have more power then the one on allinson. All that being said you are starting to lose the redness. I really think we should look somewhere else then the current targets for scum tbh. A lot of people are awefull quite these last 12h and that makes we wonder that we are all town yelling at eachother. On August 22 2012 01:13 Mattchew wrote: ##vote dirkzor I like this wagon Wtf is this? | ||
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-Chezinu -kenpachi Chezinu: -Drazerk Toad: -Kurumi imallinson: -WBG -bumatlarge -HiroPro -JingleHell -Hopeless1der -S&B -Kitaman -toad -Mementoss VE: -Wiggles -Dirkzor Dirkzor: -BC -imallinson -VE -Heist -Mattchew -Misder Hopeless1der: -Zehirdd Zephirdd: -BioSC Rough vote count. There can be errors since this was done quickly. | ||
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TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list. Any questions for me go ahead and ask. @VE: I can't get you out of my mind (<3). Why would you unvote me only to vote me again after 3 other had voted me. I understand the re-vote since that was after our little conversation but the unvote made no sense. You were the only one voting me at the time you unvoted with little support in the thread for my lynch at the time. You made a long case on Zephirdd but didn't vote him (Much like you accuse me of not voting allinson) and unvote me in the same post. You then re-voted me (with reason) and then you later stated that you would rather lynch zephirdd even though you voted me. Its just... wrong somehow.. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 04:58 Dirkzor wrote: Yes I thought about that. I actually made for myself but then someone asked about it and I posted it. I can be helpful for townies aswell to get an overview. Either way I don't think 1 votecount list will make the difference if I die or not. On its own? No but it just adds into the list of bad things you have done. You at the time of your vote weren't in a place to die and you stuck around almost till the time the vote ended. You said Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote: So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson. TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list. Any questions for me go ahead and ask. @VE: I can't get you out of my mind (<3). Why would you unvote me only to vote me again after 3 other had voted me. I understand the re-vote since that was after our little conversation but the unvote made no sense. You were the only one voting me at the time you unvoted with little support in the thread for my lynch at the time. You made a long case on Zephirdd but didn't vote him (Much like you accuse me of not voting allinson) and unvote me in the same post. You then re-voted me (with reason) and then you later stated that you would rather lynch zephirdd even though you voted me. Its just... wrong somehow.. Yes being all nice and trying to make only two people to vote for is nice, except given the lack of discussion it lets people sheep like no other. You were practically not going to die and had a stronger read on someone else then who you voted and thus until it came down to just your vote, you should have attempted to either persuade people to vote for your main target or heavily analyze them / your other top reads. Near every action you have taken is really off. I also only think you are still "around" is because you are being heavily pushed at the moment and attempting to appear legit. Your whole argument with my own vote is void. Or course I'm going to increase my own chance of survival by voting the "other guy". And yes my vote mattered. With 6v10 it only neede 2-3 people to vote change for me to be dead. Of course I'm around towards deadline when I'm in focus.. Had the discussion been heavier I had most likely not went to bed even though I need the sleep. But the discussion WAS dead so i went to bed. I've looked through filters and it feels like many people aren't really doing anything really. The worst however is Mattchew: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently On August 22 2012 01:10 Mattchew wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 22 2012 00:34 Mattchew wrote: VE what do you think of bugs and allinson Bugs is confusing. Like, okay...my grush lynch wasn't well-received. I expected it, sure...but the fact that he's completely ignoring everything else I do or say is a little suspicious I guess. Not a good lynch today. AllIn I'm definitely NOT convinced of right now. It's being presented as a "solid" case, but honestly I'm not seeing it. I see more of a case to be made against Draz or Dirk or Zeph than I do allin. I can consolidate on allin, but it will be strictly for the purpose of securing a lynch for town...NOT because I believe in the case. I think this and your post on Zeph are your most substantive post in the game thus far and makes me want to lynch you less. However another problem with your play to me is you haven't tried to confirm any other "vet" as town to work with. You know that you and bugs/bc/toad/whoever could really become a benefit to town yet you refuse to work with just about anyone. He starts out by poking VE lightly. Not really committing to anything pulling back a bit when VE started posting more. The last quote he calls VE's post substantial when i really wasn't. The zephirdd case is, but the post quoted isn't but mattchew finds it as an excuse to pull back. He have a few filler posts that does absolutely nothing: 1 and 2. But the scum alert only goes of with these 2 posts: On August 22 2012 01:13 Mattchew wrote: ##vote dirkzor I like this wagon He puts his vote on me with no explanation or prior mention of me. Before this only Draz and VE have been mentioned as potential scum. Seems like he just figured VE wasn't scum anyway and then voted me. Shows he doesn't care one bit who actually died. On August 22 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 11:49 VisceraEyes wrote: I guess no one is still considering seriously Wiggles scum right? Cause...I think he scum. *snap snap snap* Further thoughts pending reread. i agree Again he just follows and sheep VE without any reason what so ever. Again its seems like he just want someone dead without really thinking further then if the person is his red team mate. And thats basicly all he have done this entire game. | ||
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I don't have much time today and I just want to put some thought about what have happened since I last posted. It might get a bit all over because I don't know when I'll get back to the thread so bear with me. While reading the whole Wiggles vs BC "battle" i initially thought BC came out looking worst (and thus Wiggles looking good). I also thought that both might still be town since I earlier had a townread on BC. About the hit on BC. Why haven't anyone claimed it? Is it the same as I think happened day1 with toad hitting VE? That it was actually scum who hit him while some thought he was scum. It would be the perfect way to hide the amount of KP used on town/scum side. Still pondering if it would be beneficial for us to press a claim on the BC hit. Talking about VE. I don't think he is scum anymore. The hit Toad performed on him d1 jsut doesn't add up as a bus. Such an early and very aggressive bus seems unlikely. + Show Spoiler [Jingle's case on Mattchew] + On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote: Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit. Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 08:44 Mattchew wrote: Bugs and VE seem to either be lacking time (no read) or care (scum) Still ok with lynching Draz Speaking of not scum hunting... also, accusing someone of no reads when this is his most substantial post in the thread at the time is laughable. Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town He wants VE to pick a fight, which is generally not good for town, and he's not sinking his teeth into anyone either. Oh. Tunneling the piss out of Drazerk, too. Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote: Kita Any post that you make that is less than 5 sentences long must include a (relavent) opinion of someone. k thx. Also, ##Vote: Mattchew Come on man Whining about a vote on him, fits the trend of non-content posting. Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases. This doesn't need much talking about. Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote: On August 22 2012 11:49 VisceraEyes wrote: I guess no one is still considering seriously Wiggles scum right? Cause...I think he scum. *snap snap snap* Further thoughts pending reread. i agree Show nested quote + On August 23 2012 01:09 Mattchew wrote: On August 22 2012 21:36 Mementoss wrote: The only reason I don't think Mattchew is scum is because he didn't reveal his scum team yet. try and get me lynched. SnB what do you think of me? More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players. Show nested quote + On August 23 2012 01:33 Mattchew wrote: i still think dirk is scum yes. Also, i was enhancing my read of VE, which I find/found to be important in this game also, you are town, good job Very early assertion of "definite town" on someone, which in this case would require information townies don't have. He claims it's based on other play, but I'd need confirmation of that from someone who knows it. Show nested quote + On August 23 2012 02:38 Mattchew wrote: On August 23 2012 01:56 JingleHell wrote: SnB's alignment. Treating anyone's alignment as definite based off of the minimal info we have is ridiculous for a townie. also, you act like things can't change my reads. Does anyone else think this post is hella scummy, and a cop out for not scum hunting? Weak OMGUS finger-point at me that doesn't even make sense under the circumstances considering my "cop out" was to ask him why he did something that's generally scummy. Great case that looks almost exactly like the one I made before you. =/ You start you case with "Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit." and the continue to repeat what I already wrote earlier. That in it self is weird, but the fact that you make a case because "someone accused you" is a scum way of thinking. Why not make a case to maybe... you know... catch scum? Talking about Mattchew: On August 23 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2012 11:47 wherebugsgo wrote: I want to kill Mattchew. Problem? No? Cool. ##vote Mattchew hi i have a problem Best post so far I thought I agree that Mattchew is scum (a bit less after how JH started his case) I'm quite sad to see WBG vote with no reason whatsover. Can you explain why you think he is scum? Same goes to Kurumi who just ninja voted him (although he did state he found matt scummy). | ||
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There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle. Wait, what? More recent? That was 1-2 pages and about 10 hours after my case. I won't categorize that as more recent. More work? Why? Because you did some shitty post by post analysis? I came to a solid conclusion: On August 22 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote: I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end. Which is basicly the same you came to during your post-by-post: On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote: -Cut- Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases. -Cut- More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players. -Cut- Given the fact I made the case during N1 I couldn't vote and so much have happened since that just blindly voting Mattchew now seems, in my eyes, a bit of an overkill and out of place. I'm still re-reading d1 and trying to put the pieces together. Found this gem: On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote: If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive. Do with that info however you want. | ||
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On August 24 2012 00:46 heist wrote: i still think dirk is a good lynch. not only did toad soft defend him, the main proponent of his lynch is now dead. If you use that logic you should also want to kill zephirdd since toad treated us the same. He also refrained from saying anything about allinson who flipped town. + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote: Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently? Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not. I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself. Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts? On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 03:19 HiroPro wrote: On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote: On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote: Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently? Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not. I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself. Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts? You haven't said anything about Dirkzor either. I know you've played with Zeph before, VE has brought a case. I guess I just ninja'ed you. Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough. I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts. | ||
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On August 24 2012 01:53 Mattchew wrote: Why we should lynch Dirkzor, according the the TL Mafia Vets who wrote a guide A. Survival Hiding/Blending in + Show Spoiler + This thread stinks, everyone else has said it, why not me? I wanna look like I care too guys! On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote: Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Take In Sunlight ##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote: On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote: On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back. Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind) So the following - No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. How is that hiding and blending in? If I wanted to do that I could just have been spamming useless one liners about pokemon gen 1 or whatnot. If you re-read the first 10 pages you realize that NOTHING productive came out it. On August 24 2012 01:53 Mattchew wrote: Posting long but contentless posts + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote: If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work. Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad. The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC. I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards. Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam. Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve. Seems pretty open shut to me atm. A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread. While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning. Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected. I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote: I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info? On August 21 2012 09:00 imallinson wrote: On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting? The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote: On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote: On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote: On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote: On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote: I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier. One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up. On August 21 2012 08:12 Drazerk wrote: On August 21 2012 08:05 wherebugsgo wrote: On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind) So the following - No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote: Also to go one step further I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it Herp derp? I don't know if anyone else noticed this (I have to reread some of what I missed) but I saw this and figured it has to be pointed out. Unfortunately it's Drazerk, so to be completely honest my read of Drazerk doesn't change here. I'm an exception to my own rule because at some point I need to be taken down for the good of the town But is that point now? So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that. Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote: On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough. But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing. A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE. And lastly: @heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? You say I post nothing with content. The post you quoted had content (bolded). Yes i fucked up the meta part. My case on you is also without content? My attack on JH is without content? Not wanting to point fingers + Show Spoiler + Only goes after VE and myself, and has now gone after... no one? also this post, where he brings up things but doesnt accuse anyone of anything On August 23 2012 23:47 Dirkzor wrote: I don't read irony.... But reading your run-in with mattchew does make it make sense a bit more. Show nested quote + There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle. Wait, what? More recent? That was 1-2 pages and about 10 hours after my case. I won't categorize that as more recent. More work? Why? Because you did some shitty post by post analysis? I came to a solid conclusion: Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote: I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end. Which is basicly the same you came to during your post-by-post: Show nested quote + On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote: -Cut- Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases. -Cut- More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players. -Cut- Given the fact I made the case during N1 I couldn't vote and so much have happened since that just blindly voting Mattchew now seems, in my eyes, a bit of an overkill and out of place. I'm still re-reading d1 and trying to put the pieces together. Found this gem: Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote: If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive. Do with that info however you want. Not wanting to point fingers? I've pointed 2 already - as you yourself just wrote. Giving 2 clear cut scumreads IS pointing fingers. The case on you was posted just over 24 hours ago. I'm not spewing out cases since we need to focus on a few. Me making 3-4 cases would not help anyone. You were the one who looked the most likely to be scum so the case was on you. Avoiding responsibility and Apathy about who is lynched + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote: So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson. TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list. How the fuck am I avoiding responsibility for the lynch? Thats kinda hard when I am one of the 2 targets left. Since I know myself to be town the only sensible thing to do is to vote elsewhere to secure I don't die. And apathy? What? I explained why I voted for allinson even though he wasn't my best scumread at the time. I wanted to live... B. Pushing their agenda Promoting confusion + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote: Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote: Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Take In Sunlight ##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote: On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote: On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back. Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind) So the following - No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote: And lastly: @heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? All this, while not doing much of anything to promote a better discussion, he blandly points a finger at draz and doesnt ask questions. ##vote: dirkzor You say I was promoting confusion? With my 2 post during the 10 pages long spamfest that was early d1? Come on... The thread was shit and I wrote that. All in all you are nitpicking my posts only taking those promoting your cause while leaving out all the stuff I actually did: Pushing VE d1, case on you and questioning JH for instance. All the things you say I've done wrong someone else in the thread have done worse. While that is not a defence that hold water I'm just amazed that you guys are still riding my back. I've been defending myself since mid d1 while posting a case and giving my reads. I just don't know how to convince you guys I'm not scum. | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 23 2012 19:49 GMT
#1021
While I think mattchew's case is nonesense (and not only because its made on me) I'm becoming more and more unsure about our whole situation. No one is really pushing the discussion anywhere which indicate that its mostly townies shouting at eachother much like it was D1. | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 23 2012 20:06 GMT
#1025
I feel like I'm repeating myself. I think hopeless1der is scum. Now you can all call me scum for that one. Night. | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 23 2012 20:23 GMT
#1028
On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 03:19 HiroPro wrote: On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote: On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote: Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently? Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not. I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself. Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts? You haven't said anything about Dirkzor either. I know you've played with Zeph before, VE has brought a case. I guess I just ninja'ed you. Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough. I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts. You aren't confirmed shit. You are most likely town but not confirmed but you should still read and think instead of just thinking: "A case... OKAY I'LL VOTE YEEHAAAAA" | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 24 2012 08:49 GMT
#1107
On August 24 2012 09:02 BioSC wrote: Finally, one thing I'm surprised that no one talked about, was the claimed vigi shot from StrongandBig. He claimed a shot onto Drazerk right before the Day post, but ended up being confused. That could be an effect from mafia, casting confusion onto a character with a chance to kill themselves, or possibly a redirect off of Draz. I don't know what it could have been, but it is interesting nonetheless. I'm actually quite interested in this aswell... Also it appears that Drazerk doesn't know a thing about it: On August 24 2012 10:07 Drazerk wrote: Didn't S+B kill himself? I dont actually think hopeless1der is scum. I just wanted to see what happened... Not much happenend though =/ On August 24 2012 10:02 JingleHell wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2012 09:49 Drazerk wrote: I still think scum would of shot VE for flip insurance but so far his play is coming of as town to me I dislike Wiggles because of the timing on the shooting and the majority of his play only happening when he was under scrutiny. Mattchew is giving me bad vibes but the bandwagon is ALSO giving me bad vibes so I'm not sure what to do about that but given the choice of Mattcher / Dirk ill probably vote mattchew I want to see more of the following - Jinglehell, Heist and Misder or for someone to shoot all three I also want Kurumi to tell us what he knows about Zel because something is clearly up with that. What do you want me to do more of? I've contributed on Mattchew, and I haven't really got any other clear reads right now. So if I see someone say something that sounds scummy, I chip in, but I'm trying not to clutter the thread. By the way, if Mattchew used his KP, it didn't land on target, since he was confused, courtesy of yours truly, Magnemite. In fact, reading the flavor text, it may have inadvertently been the cause of death of Toad, going by the "shocking end" bit. I cause an ability to hit a random target. I'm not entirely sure why the flavor is different than that of a confused Pokemon hitting themselves, though. Due to the fact that this may sound slightly off, if you feel the need to flip me and make sure I'm telling the truth, just remember me when I'm gone and blue. Can you explain you ability in full? Is/was it only kp abilites that hit random targets or all night actions? All actions? ##Vote Mattchew His claim and they way it was done leaves me to believe that its a fake claim or at least a claim made out of desperation. Either as town or scum there is no reason to claim a 0.5 hit... And if you want to claim it do it right before or right after the night post. All it serves now is to move the discussion from scum to roles. I also think mattchew's scum buddies told him to go do a case on me - which he did. But notice how generic it is. There is no real substance to the case he made on me. All the little things just add up to mattchew being scum. BC calling him scum, then getting shot (Yes thought I was most scummy - The shot could then be explained by further incriminate myself. If it was scum shot - which i believe.). Mattchews "scumslips". The slight resistance to his lynch. (I still playing with the thought that zephir and mattchew both being town... I just can't seem to make it fit right... Mattchew as scum seems much more plausible and someone once told me to keep it simple. Hence the vote on Mattchew.) | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 24 2012 19:05 GMT
#1185
On August 25 2012 02:57 Mementoss wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2012 02:04 Misder wrote: This post is so wishy washy, this post alone makes me want to switch off mattchew. Conjoined with Hopeless's timing of his defense post gah. Hi again. Day 2 post- the only thing of importance (besides the fact that two people flipped scum) is the flavor of the kills. BC vs Wiggles into BC getting dayvig shot- I had BC as scum at the end of Day 1, so I don't believe it's that bad of a shot if it was a town dayvig. (Though obviously, it could be a scum dayvig that wanted to get rid of a vet...). Same thing as before, can't really tell the alignment of the shot. Wiggles put a lot of effort into the case though, which leads me to believe that he's town. The first part of this post says shooting BC defending the shot if its town, did Misder shoot BC? Effort = town? I also have WBG as town, though I haven't looked carefully at his filter yet. I just get a town vibe from him. He says WBG is town for no reason at all, WBG put no effort, but is magically town without him reading him up. More unexplained town reads. Also VE is town. Drazerk's posting has gotten way better, making me think he's town as well. Mattchew is interesting. When I played with him before GMarshal's PYP, he did the exact same thing he did day 1 when he was town (pointing fingers without backing stuff up, and posting one-liners all the time aka being scummy). If I was going to vote on meta, I would say that Mattchew is a bad lynch target. But I'm not, so ##Vote:Mattchew. Here comes the wishy washiness. Mattchews case is interesting. Well ya couldn't have been more vague could ya? All meta Misder has with mattchew points him to believe hes town, but yeah FUCK META, I'm going to vote him. He never gives a reason for voting mattchew other than he's interesting and following his town meta. Also, there's a JingleHell v Mattchew and a Mattchew v Dirkzor thing going on (where the first person is the one attacking). As for JingleHell, I was actually writing a case on him but it stopped when I read the post where he claimed a role. That claim seems out of the blue, which I don't know if scum would do. He's obviously being more productive though (pushing a Mattchew case) so I don't mind him being alive for now. This paragraph on jinglehell just shows misder is not reading the thread. Jinglehells post wasn't out of the blue it explained mattchews missed shot and explained how toad died. I feel like lynching Dirkzor would clear up a lot of stuff though, and I still think he's being scummy. But Mattchew works too. This last line, wow, just wow. Concludes his post with no clear direction, shows a lack of interest for the flip. We can lynch dirkzor for information, or mattchew whatever Read this earlier but don't have time to repsond. Memen mimics my own thoughts. This will come of as scummy as fuck but I really don't have time. Is at family dinner. ##Vote Misder I've had the feeling we've been looking the wrong places and now I feel we are looking the right ones. Biggest problem is if Misder (and/or hopeless if you guys switch to him) flips town we'll go back to discussing lynching me and mattchew again. Lets hope we are right together and Misder is scum. | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 25 2012 16:20 GMT
#1317
I still think misder is scum. His post are big, but far between. On August 25 2012 04:37 Misder wrote: Really, this lynch is between 3 townies. This is ridiculous. Seems like a weird comment to throw out... How can he be so sure? Other then that I'm thinking back and getting paranoid. The whole Toad shot VE. Maybe it was a bus. Maybe scum figured they should just bus the shit out of eachother from the start. It expains why VE is underperforming this game and making excuses "Worst town play eve. Sorry" or whatever he wrote. It just seems odd because all the games I've played with VE he is ALWAYS sure he is right. Kurumi is also a guys the I'm iffy about if scum decided to just bus the shit out of eachother. The whole toad vs Kurumi thing before toad died... Of course scum didn't know Toad would die. That was quite random (as most actions during night 1 seems to have been) that toad got killed it seems. But niether was Toad or Kurumi really in any danger of getting lynched when all their battle was ongoing and it was at the end of N1. Things discussed just before day posts are usually forgotten when everyone sees who flipped. That made it the best time to bus eachother. Furthermore Kurumi is quick to claim the townrole. Since then Kurumi has done nothing but spamming up the thread calling Zephirdd town (why is that again?) calling and voting Mattchew, myself and Hopeless scum. 2 of those are confirmed town to me (myself and hopeless) and mattchew im on the fence about. Og and even though toad an Kurumi voted eachother day1 both ended up voting allinson. Using orcams razor and all Kurumi is most likely town. He is just playing so bad and being all over the place that I'm starting to wonder. This is all speculation and crap but I just need to get it out so I can focus. And no one have been posting anything so I thought it would maybe spark something in people. My biggest problem this game is that I litterally have no townreads. 0. I usually boil the game down to double the amount of mafiaplayers and then try to kill of the most scummy of those. But this game everyone left could in my mind be scum. Lets run through the players quickly shall we? (You don't get to answer really...) Zephirdd: Have been very inactive (like most of us. Myself included). No townlike movies really. Throwaway vote d1 (on hopeless a townie). He then proceeds to vote mattchew BECAUSE of his claim (he was voting me before) and then after the hopeless lynch he saids he doesn't find Mattchew to be that scummy BECAUSE of his claim. Huh? + Show Spoiler + Okay now that I'm reading his post I'm not sure if he means that the claim convinced him scum or convinced him that mattchew is town. Read here and figure out yourself. Kenpachi: Is kenpachi... Kurumi and VE: See above Drazerk: Having really had an opinion on anyone since d1. I don't know where he is at or who he think is scum... He mentioned misder the latest as an active lurker but never called him scum. Wiggles: not around Zelblades replacement: No fucking clue about Zel OR the new guys. Did he even post more then hello? Okay this was a bad idea and I have to go... Lets just end this with: Fuck this game and everything with it. I just hope the scum team is having a good time seeing us squirm. | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 26 2012 09:44 GMT
#1356
Drazerk wtf is a zodiac list? Google no help me. | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 09:08 GMT
#1374
The only reason I can think of is that it would give VE more towncred in his crusade against getting me lynched. I just can't really see why scum would shoot just there at that time. The lynch was already steering in the direction of my or allinson - 2 townies. So no real reason for scum to try to switch targets or derail the thread to talk about the shot. At the same time I see now reason to shoot VE at that time if he was town either. Town or scum VE it doesn't make sense to shoot him there. At least not any sense I can find. I have to look at HiroPro later to figure this out. =/ | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 09:37 GMT
#1377
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 14:53 GMT
#1378
While looking through both HiroPro and VE's filters I can see what HiroPro means. Problem with VE is that he haven't done anything since d1. He stopped producing stuff like he usually does as town. The case from HP is very weak though with a lot of meta build in to the case instead of actions of what VE have done. The strange thing about VE is that he almost gave up when I pressured him D1. He then produced and posted a lot D1. After toad flipped and pressure was removed from VE he stopped caring about this game. He started posting excuses, downplaying himself and promise content that never arrived. On August 25 2012 06:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I swear to read the thread and post thoughts this cycle guys. Ugh, worst town performance ever I'm afraid. VE also changes his vote around a lot. Not that something like that is scummy in itself but it just comes of as forced and as if he don't care who gets killed. Most glaring was his unvote d1 of me. + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2012 21:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I can kill Zephirdd too, honestly. His filter consists mostly of setup speculation, but this doesn't bother me as his love of the Pokemans is well documented. What bothers me is this. Show nested quote + On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote: How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"? Also I am a medic. Go figure. There are a couple of things he could be doing here: he's either a medic claiming in the worst first post in TL town history, he's a townie who is NOT a medic and is attempting to draw roleblocks/NKs, or he's scum attempting something really profoundly stupid. From a strategic viability standpoint, I certainly HOPE it's the second one, but from a realistic standpoint and given everything else he's done in the thread (read: nothing) I'm inclined to believe that he's actually scum. He's almost certainly not a town medic, and if he is I hope I'm never town with him again. Show nested quote + On August 20 2012 13:04 Zephirdd wrote: I like the idea of lynching grush because he's been somewhat terrible. But if you think about it the same could be applied to Kenpachi. Or Drazerk. Yet them being terrible always netted some scum in games. I'm not that much of a fan of policy lynching either... I mean, it worked quite well for VE, but it's always bad for the town on the game when you do it and he was just playing badly. Besides, he claimed starsenses. That means he is town right? This is his next post with "content". In this post he literally sas "I like the idea of policy lynching grush, but I'm not that much of a fan of policy lynching". Literally. It's the very soul of wishy-washy scum posting. Show nested quote + On August 20 2012 22:06 Zephirdd wrote: Hey I'm rereading! On August 20 2012 08:37 Mementoss wrote: On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote: How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"? Also I am a medic. Go figure. This is the worst role claim since VE every game I've played with him. This is PTP. I got med. who knows what comes next. np I'm not VE; I am much cuter. On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote: On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote: hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote: Hey. I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules. So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Let me see if I got this right... you noticed the pokealliance is breadcrumbing the role PM and then you decide that it's likely that they are scum and therefore should be lynched...? On August 20 2012 09:07 grush57 wrote: Anyways, no scum would be retarded enough to be this active early. If anything they would be in a position asking the questions while not doing anything themselves like drazerk(or anyone else really) However, the only way to prove your innocence is to catch scum. U C? I know you are banned, but I want to mention how stupid this is. Being so active this early IS a scum trait. It's the time of the day where there is the lowest amount of information and you can always justify whatever happened during this phase as "trolling" or "baiting". I've done that as scum before. Throughout what I've been reading, kitaman looks incredibly annoyed about the whole "coloring town blue" thing. I mean, it's in the OP as people mentioned, and being a PTP every town is blue. Anybody else thinks he got annoyed because he thought that would confirm them as town, and therefore make life a hell for scum? + Show Spoiler [useless stuff for the game] + On August 20 2012 09:34 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2012 09:31 Zephirdd wrote: On August 20 2012 08:28 Kurumi wrote: On August 20 2012 08:26 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 08:22 Kurumi wrote: On August 20 2012 08:21 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 08:20 deconduo wrote: Scum KP is hidden. Then scum only have the KP roles people made Pretty much all I'm gathering from this No that means Kp was balanced accordingly to the roles they got. That is so easy. I honestly prefer my line of reasoning to that. Static KP means players become more important to others and gives trackers / watchers to have more power Themed games are not an exception of "make setups fair" rule. That is just the usual cleaning hosts do. Role cops are the strongest roles out there pretty much , but given that you can make really strong roles I wouldnt be surprised if I have seen a Cop checking everything and so on . What if I told you you can create rolecop immune roles. Shut up you wannabe Zapdos , you are nothing but a common pidgeon with eggs Zephir with double d's, pfffff I now know the meaning of Zephyr. I never knew. I thought Zephirdd was a cool name. TT I've played with drazerk before. I understand what he means. Someone has to shoot him; not early because he is a cool scum bite, but late when we don't want him around lylo. That's how I see it. I'd say grush is pretty much the same. I don't remember Kenpachi ever flipping scum so I don't really care, but he always somehow dies sooner or later for some odd mechanical game-specific reason lol On August 20 2012 13:09 BioSC wrote: On August 20 2012 12:48 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 12:44 BioSC wrote: On August 20 2012 12:42 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 12:32 BioSC wrote: Well, it will stop me from accusing him of being scum I guess. Wait you haven't actually posted anything yet... It was more a reference to my last game with him. What would you like to talk about, darling? Top 3 scum targets IDK Man, with grush being banned, my whole world got turned upside down! thoughts on the 4/25 lol I'm entering the thread posts Strange, but not in and of itself a scumtell to me. What is the meaning to life? Bacon What does grush being banned has to do with anything? If you think he is scum you make a case against him. And it's 42. Finally. On August 20 2012 21:54 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 21:52 Toadesstern wrote: I was SO going to post it :p Something tells me you was trying to talk to the person who actually had metronome though... You were And Toad, what did that do? Did it do anything at all? >_> Oh Oh Oh is it like I suggested pregame? you use a random ability from any player in the game??? *___* The parts I bolded are Zephirdd literally just shoveling shit hoping something sticks. I can get behind a Zephirdd lynch in addition to a Drazerk/Dirkzor lynch. Now, to decide which scummy bastard gets my vote. ##Unvote He post a long case on Zephirdd and says he don't know who of all the scum he have found we should lynch. But he still unvotes even though his vote is on one of the people he thought was scum. Why not a) keep his vote on him or b) vote zephirdd who is now his prime target? He doesn't care?! On August 22 2012 00:59 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Dirkzor Unless Zeph picks up steam. Somehow I doubt it considering no one is even MENTIONING my case. And when he votes me again it isn't because I'm scummiest even though him and me had just had a discussion. Its because he have no support on his Zephirdd case. There were still 6h to lynch. All in all VE still haven't done anything townlike and I believe he is scum. Some of his actions just doesn't add up. ##Vote VE | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 15:34 GMT
#1383
On August 28 2012 00:15 Zephirdd wrote: I don't get where the whole misder thing came from. I mean, what's the difference between Misder, BioSC, grush...? I will not believe a scum team would go as far as hitting an ally for 0.5kp, leaving him vulnerable, just to bus him. I don't believe VE is scum. How is dirkzor still alive? Care to explain why I am scum? You have only parroted other peoples reasons and cases without explaining yourself. The other reason you have is that Toad was distanced from me... Which is true for about 8 other people and super true for yourself. | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 15:57 GMT
#1385
On August 28 2012 00:36 Kurumi wrote: ##vote misder Kurumi please stop ninja voting! ... | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 15:58 GMT
#1386
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 16:18 GMT
#1388
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 18:46 GMT
#1399
So basicly no one wants to play anymore and scum is laughing all the way to the bank (Yeah thats right... there is money on the line!) Lynch is in 2h and 15 min. Going to look up misder before I have to sleep. Right now many are saying he is scum without really posting why. | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 19:23 GMT
#1413
On August 25 2012 04:37 Misder wrote: Really, this lynch is between 3 townies. This is ridiculous. Together with mementoss case yesterday he comes of as scum to me. I would still like to see VE dead. So go vote him! Mementoss what is your thought on VE? | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 19:31 GMT
#1417
I somewhat agree that wiggles or VE is scum. But thats mostly due to the fact that none of them is dead by now. I feel so much stronger about VE though. | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 19:35 GMT
#1420
On August 28 2012 04:26 Mementoss wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2012 04:23 Dirkzor wrote: Reading Misder's filter I get the feeling he knows something I don't. His claim the WBG was town out of the blue. His defence of hopeless and mattchew: On August 25 2012 04:37 Misder wrote: Really, this lynch is between 3 townies. This is ridiculous. Together with mementoss case yesterday he comes of as scum to me. I would still like to see VE dead. So go vote him! Mementoss what is your thought on VE? VE is being really useless, fake promises, has more filter than me yet I don't remember much of anything he has done to try and help town. There is a good chance he's scum. Then vote him! | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 20:19 GMT
#1435
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 20:27 GMT
#1439
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Denmark1944 Posts
August 27 2012 20:28 GMT
#1441
On August 21 2012 19:02 Dirkzor wrote: I logic is fine. You are scum. BC write "blah blah Dirkzor is scum". You think "Dirk os town - I'll agree without saying why or add anything of my own" And you stopped defending yourself by now. All you do now are dismissing things you don't like. I'll list up MY reasons for you being scum:
So there you have it. Repost because it is still valid. | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 06:44 GMT
#1517
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 08:04 GMT
#1524
On August 28 2012 16:09 Kenpachi wrote: REALLY? REALLY???????????? Really? Now you care? You haven't cared all game long. The only reason you aren't dead yet is because everyone else also look like scum. You have been useless and almost invisible this game. So clap yourself on the shoulder and go back to hiding. | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 11:59 GMT
#1527
While I do agree that everyone should be more active you can't go around throwing rocks when you yourself live in a house made of glass. | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 12:27 GMT
#1533
Shoot away! | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 12:27 GMT
#1534
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 12:51 GMT
#1535
You have mentioned Misder more then once and that we should kill him. You never said why or mentioned any case on him. Explain to my why you think he is scum. | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 13:24 GMT
#1537
Yes i just claimed to have night actions O_o | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 15:18 GMT
#1545
On August 28 2012 22:44 Drazerk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2012 21:51 Dirkzor wrote: Okay drazark. Lets crank up the activity. I know its night and all but we have to start somewhere. You have mentioned Misder more then once and that we should kill him. You never said why or mentioned any case on him. Explain to my why you think he is scum. I don't mention cases generally since I demand people read the thread and when the cases are in place its obvious I've read them and based my opinions from them its rarely my job to convince people to join a bandwagon I simply jump up and down and shout at people until they vote for who I want. It looks like he knows more than us (This post stuck out for me especially) Show nested quote + On August 25 2012 04:37 Misder wrote: Really, this lynch is between 3 townies. This is ridiculous. he has been jumping on bandwagons (Latest one) Show nested quote + On August 28 2012 05:50 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 28 2012 05:10 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Show nested quote + On August 28 2012 04:24 Mementoss wrote: On August 28 2012 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote: On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote: Whelp. As it turns out, MLG weekend + TI2 Weekend plus lots of procrastinated homework means one inactive Bio. Combine that with a general "woe is me" about my reads in general makes it hard to put forth the effort. Well, here we go again. My 2 choices are misder or VE. Misder for his active lurking + the play around the time of yesterday's lynch. VE, because the case by HiroPro + Show Spoiler + On August 27 2012 09:03 HiroPro wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2012 07:34 Mementoss wrote: On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote: hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr. ##Unvote What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor I haven't really read much since Toad died, so fresh look and all lol. Dirkzor I think is town. His early play I think was mostly just because of how much pressure he was under from BC and I think he's actually trying to contribute. I think VE is scum now for a couple of reasons. First, the thing with grush still strikes me as really uncharacteristic of town VE. VE is someone who throws out policy lynches as town, but it's almost always "if we have no strong scum reads, we should lynch a lurker". For him to push a policy lynch on a person for their play in other games is just mind-boggling. VE has always emphasized that there is no such thing as an "useless townie" because they're still a member of town to count against the mafia wincon, yet now his views have suddenly flipped. If you look at the LVI postgame (the last game with VE and grush in it), there's nothing to suggest that VE was unduly mad. Yes, I know he made some comment pregame about how grush would likely just lurk and troll, but at least before VE pushed the policy lynch, grush had seemed ok in activity and was at least responding to others. Next looking at the whole Wiggles-BC feud: Beforehand VE had said that he thought Wiggles was scum. But then when the cases come out, literally the only thing VE has to say about those two cases is a mild dislike of one of BC's points. Otherwise he just says afterward " BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched" and "Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.". That doesn't look like VE analyzing someone's play and reaching a conclusion based on that. It looks like him making a preconceived judgement and fitting what happens around it. Show nested quote + On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all. Show nested quote + On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote: But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR" That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all. Show nested quote + On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate. Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure... I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him. ##Vote: Wiggles Show nested quote + On August 24 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 24 2012 02:16 Kurumi wrote: On August 24 2012 02:11 grush57 wrote: On August 24 2012 02:09 Kurumi wrote: On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate. Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure... I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him. ##Vote: Wiggles Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me. Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man also biosc where u been at man! Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh. Is this a joke? First of all, Wiggles posted like ONE time D1, and that was to vote me and DISAPPEAR. He had NO inclination to affect the lynch yesterday and, as Bugs and Wiggles will tell you, scum seemed to be perfectly content with the way the wagons were going too. Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again. In what way is Wiggles "devoting his time to this game"? This is strikingly similar to his play in LV - vote, disappear, return to build a case, vote, disappear. I'm voting Mr.Wiggles because I think he's scum. I hope you guys will join me. Then, the amount of times VE promises thoughts and reads but then when he comes back has pretty much nothing useful to say. I know someone is going to bring up the shot done by Toad, but frankly I think it could just be separation. Toad knew it was only 0.5 KP and not going to pose a threat to VE actually dying. Maybe I'm being an idiot right now in ignoring BC lol, but it's not like I've been doing anything this game for some time now. ##Vote VisceraEyes Makes sense to me. And the more I go through cases and stuff, the less confident I am about them. Great. Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it. ##Vote Wiggles Ahahahahahahahaha Now that your here who do you think are scum. VE is scum. Day 1 he came out posting about policy lynching Grush. His reasons were not based on alignment. He put the onus of scumhunting onto other people, telling them it was their responsibility to convince him to lynch someone other than grush. Not convince him that their targets were scummier than grush, because his policy lynch wasn't based on grush being scummy, just that it would be better to try to lynch scum than a random person. After he was rightfully called out on his posting, VE pulled a 180. Some kind of sentiment that VE was town was created, as he very quickly jumped in between three different targets, with only one of them being somewhat original. What puts me off about this, is how quick of a turn-around it was and how badly it reeked of wanting to appease the people out for his blood. First, VE didn't defend his policy lynch on Grush, he just jumped to accusing other people after being accused. As well, VE didn't just accuse one person and attempt to get them lynched, he made a big show of jumping in-between three different targets and saying that he thought all of them were scum. This looks a lot like he was trying to go, "Hey, look at me! I'm scumhunting!", especially when contrasted with his play earlier. So, it looks as though the sudden spurt in apparent scum hunting and effort was made to avoid pressure, which makes sense, since after Day 1 the pressure dropped and so did the contributions from VE. After Day 1, the "scumhunting effort" from VE stopped. His play from then on has consisted of sheeping the lynch sentiment against myself and Misder while adding nothing of value to the cases against either of us. As pointed out by others, VE has been making promises of contribution, but has not been keeping them. Notably, making a case against either myself or Misder. As well, he failed to comment on either my case against BC or BC's defense and case against me while BC was alive. VE makes this post: Show nested quote + On August 23 2012 16:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Before I comment on your case Wiggles, what do you think of Dirkzor? You derped around and kept your vote on me all day while a townie got lynched, and today you don't even mention the counterwagon except as a footnote in your case on someone else. Do you think Dirkzor is town? Saying he will comment on my case. However, even though he was in the thread for the next two or so hours, he never comments directly on the case either by myself or BC, even though he has clearly read them. He avoids taking a side in the conflict between us, which supports VE's general play this game of laying low and avoiding attention, especially if his team was already planning on using their shot on BC. After BC dies, VE comes back and uses the death of BC to put a vote on me. However, read the post where he did so: Show nested quote + On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate. Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure... I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him. ##Vote: Wiggles In this post, VE does not make mention of BC having a good case, or even agreeing with the case BC made against me. Instead he insinuates that the death of BC was a result of trying to get me lynched, and uses the fact that BC has flipped town as a point for people to sheep to in support of him. The point of this post isn't to say that BC made a good case and town should lynch for it, it's to try to manipulate people into voting me because BC wanted to. It relies on an appeal to authority and the assumption that because BC was town, he was correct. Coming from a player with as much experience as VE, this isn't a simple mistake in logic. It's an attempt to cash in on an emotional response to BC dying and flipping town to try to push a mislynch. As for supporting meta, VE usually plays somewhat aggressively and is very outspoken, to the point where he is often lynched early into the game as he forces focus and attention towards himself. This is markedly different from how he has been playing this game, where he has played very passively and avoided attention. This difference could be explained with role considerations giving VE a reason to act as he is, but VE is not playing in a way that he is contributing to the town while maintaining a low profile, he is instead playing in a way that he only does enough to keep people off his back before sinking into passivity again. Altogether, this makes him scum. I like. Still confused why scum would shoot their own scumbuddy (at least the way Toad did it), but I can roll with this. ##Vote: VisceraEyes all the while he has been actively lurking (Still doesn't have a second page on his filter) Bolded part: then you play a bad townie. If you think you are right it is your duty to try to convince people to vote like you. If you had just "jumped up and down" to do so it would MAYBE have been ok. But you didn't. Your way of doing things is scummy. | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 15:53 GMT
#1554
On August 29 2012 00:22 Kurumi wrote: Dirkzor: My power as Caterpie was delaying any action by one cycle. <3 What up? Why did 5 (?) people die night1 then? | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 16:20 GMT
#1556
Also my target was also screwed over without kurumi being in the mix... | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 16:26 GMT
#1558
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 16:44 GMT
#1566
On August 29 2012 01:29 JingleHell wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 01:26 Dirkzor wrote: So your conclusion is that Mattchew is lying? My conclusion is that it's possible, and comes with the other possibilities that also came to mind. Why are you trying to turn me saying "plausible" into me saying "absolutely"? I didn't. I asked if I had understood what you wrote correctly. Why are you trying to make it sound like I'm putting words in your mouth? (See what I did there?) Anyway I believe Mattchew hit trying to kill wiggles and me as he said he was. Doesn't make him town though. Just makes him not a liar. | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 16:44 GMT
#1568
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 17:08 GMT
#1581
On August 29 2012 01:46 JingleHell wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 01:44 Dirkzor wrote: On August 29 2012 01:29 JingleHell wrote: On August 29 2012 01:26 Dirkzor wrote: So your conclusion is that Mattchew is lying? My conclusion is that it's possible, and comes with the other possibilities that also came to mind. Why are you trying to turn me saying "plausible" into me saying "absolutely"? I didn't. I asked if I had understood what you wrote correctly. Why are you trying to make it sound like I'm putting words in your mouth? (See what I did there?) Anyway I believe Mattchew hit trying to kill wiggles and me as he said he was. Doesn't make him town though. Just makes him not a liar. I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your "clarification" ignored so much of what I said as to cease being paraphrasing, and start being a blatant misquotation. Why are you being so defensive-aggresive about this? I just wanted to know if I understood your post correctly (that you thought Mattchew was lying). Then you go all apeshit on me. | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 17:23 GMT
#1586
"...may have a liar" Yes that was what you wrote. But you either think he is lying or you don't. Or you explain why you don't know. Doing these half measured answer leaves questions open to interpretation. Interpretation that can be done differently by different people later on. So I asked for a clarification. There was no definitive in me asking you if you conclusion was that mattchew was lying. You could just answer: "No. I think its possible and we should keep that in mind, but I actually do think he was telling the truth." (and you did that with your first sentence) It was a question and thus not a interpretation of your thoughts... | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 17:56 GMT
#1590
On August 29 2012 02:28 JingleHell wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 02:23 Dirkzor wrote: What the.. "...may have a liar" Yes that was what you wrote. But you either think he is lying or you don't. Or you explain why you don't know. Doing these half measured answer leaves questions open to interpretation. Interpretation that can be done differently by different people later on. So I asked for a clarification. There was no definitive in me asking you if you conclusion was that mattchew was lying. You could just answer: "No. I think its possible and we should keep that in mind, but I actually do think he was telling the truth." (and you did that with your first sentence) It was a question and thus not a interpretation of your thoughts... No, I was very blatantly reminding people of a possibility and not taking a definitive stance, because I don't have any real way to know. Considering the huge amount of discussion of other crazy possibilities that was going on at the time, which I was involved in, it should have been blatantly obvious I was just reminding people of an option to keep open for consideration. You trying to lock me into a definitive stance I clearly didn't take on it is scummy as all fuck. But?!... I think you misunderstand my completely. I just wanted to know if you thought Mattchew was lying or not. Your post wasn't really clear on that part. "We may have a liar" is true about everything. "Wiggles said X, but it could be Y - we may have a liar". And you did have an opinion about the matter you just didn't give it in your first post - and thats why I asked: On August 29 2012 01:32 JingleHell wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 01:30 Drazerk wrote: With the amount of people complaining about roles being fucked with I don't think Mattchew is lying about last night tbh I don't particularly either, was just pointing out that we shouldn't exclude it as a possibility. I've also mentioned my bizarre gym badge idea (Giovanni WAS part of Toad's role, and we didn't see that part of the PM after all), as well as the possibility of extended confusion. Here you clearly state that you don't think mattchew was lying. And yes we can't be sure. We can't be sure of anything (this is mafia...) And yes you reminded people of the possibility without giving your own thoughts on the matter (until later). Thats why I asked. And I say again: How can I try to lock you into a definitive stance with a question? You took this way to "personal"... @Draz: There is no way to know if Mattchew is lying. Thats not what I was asking. I was asking if JH _thought_ mattchew is/was a liar. His opinion on the matter of a lying Mattchew. Why are you suppoting JH in this? | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 18:30 GMT
#1601
Just to be sure I'm not the idiot here: Mementoss or austin what is your take on the little run in I had with JH the last 2 pages? | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 18:46 GMT
#1604
On August 29 2012 02:14 JingleHell wrote: And trying to turn that into ME somehow being scummy by being defensive about it is, frankly, enough to make me doubt the whole path of logic regarding the D1 lynch. On August 29 2012 03:24 JingleHell wrote: I wasn't finding him scummy, until he decided to make this absurd attack on me that makes less sense than anything posted since the last time Grush or Misder talked. It doesn't match the rest of his play this game particularly, which makes me think it's got an ulterior motive. Hence why I'm going to put together a case. First quote you question the events of d1 lynch (hinting you weren't sure about my involment in it) Second quote you clearly say you think Mementoss is scum for his latest comments and are going to make a case on him. I'm not saying you're scum (yet) I'm just confused why you are so defensive about everything from everyone... That mementoss wan't clarity about actions isn't weird at all. I wan't clarity. I just disagree with you claiming will give us exactly that because I don't think your ability alone cause all the action-chaos. | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 28 2012 18:49 GMT
#1605
Oh and btw JH feel free to supersonic me tonight if you want. I have no clue who to use my action on anyway... A little randomness might work wonders =) (this is partly a joke. I am unsure who I should use my action on) | ||
Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
August 29 2012 05:42 GMT
#1657
Obs qt anyone? | ||
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