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Right now I'm thinking I will hide instead of shooting. That way we'll have 1 or 2 medic protects for a small amount of townies, maybe we can block scum KP again. That way we'd have another pikachu shot and a lynch, hopefully hit scum with one or both, and things will be a little more clear tomorrow night. If I missed tonight, that would be both a townie down AND a vote down tomorrow because I lost my vote for the day after shooting, and I don't really want to risk that. | ||
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He's gotten very active since scum numbers dropped. Early he was looking for KP, recently he's been collecting role information (Although so have I, but the moment I evolved he wanted to know what happened and whether I could still hide, etc.). I've not played with him, but afaik he's the sort of player who would be willing to get active as scum, do things that don't make perfect sense from a scum perspective, just to create confusion and buy time to get to late game? He's one of a small amount of folks we don't know the entire role of. Grush, Drazerk, and I have all claimed roles without a creator to back it up. Most other players have had part if not all of their roles revealed. I'm still worried about the .25 KP I took N3. I mucked up the earlier numbers, kind of wanted to see what would come out of it. Basically, I take 1/2 damage from fire/water/electric/grass. We haven't had a single person alive claim a .25 KP source of damage, and Mattchew's shot was accounted for (Hit Dirk). Basically, I either was or wasn't protected from 1 KP by Zephirdd that night. Any fire or electric source of damage would have the .5 KP bonus from type matching. That screws up the math on taking damage from a fire or electric source. If I was only hit by fire/electric, either a creator made a 0 KP role (0 + .5 bonus)*1/2 and zephirdd didn't protect, OR I got hit by 1 normal KP and .5 fire/electric/water/grass with a protect (again, would require a 0 KP role if fire or electric), OR I got hit with 2.5 fire/electric/water/grass with a protect. But Mattchew's shot is accounted for, we have no claimed fire pokemon left. I'm willing to believe Grush is geodude since the OP includes rock types but we haven't seen any, and he seems like one of the pokemon you'd put in a game like this (almost all the well-known generation 1 pokemon seem to be here). Which leaves me thinking that the KP, at least partially, came from a water or grass source. Water and grass wouldn't get the KP boost, so you could make a .5 KP water or grass attack. But we ain't got no watery pokemans left. However, we have a single grass pokemans. Can anyone else give me a possible way that I took .25 KP N3 that doesn't involve Drazerk being scum? | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote: [/blue][/b]Also the Mafia are required to select a player(s) to carry out their Night Kill(s). This KP Will be effected by type effectiveness. We know they have kill(s). We know the kill is effected by type effectiveness. It seems less likely to me that mafia chooses someone to carry out the NK, who then chooses what type to do NK damage with, and more likely that the chosen person performs the NK as their type. We assume we've got 6 killable folks, and that's probably true. Grush may or may not be killable. Heck, YOU may or may not be killable. And I can be unkillable if I don't NK. I don't think Mattchew is scum, but there's always a chance despite Wiggles's check. And yeah, Mattchew can't kill you in one shot. I was sitting around all yesterday thinking this, but spent my time watching the international and lynching townies instead. I'm just a little worried about the number of professed "problems" we've got left, in players that town generally wants to clear out before this stage of the game. I still actually do have a town read on Grush...I think? But it's not like I can be sure there, and that leaves me with a couple players that are very difficult to get a read on, as well as a few that aren't doing much playing. | ||
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"It sure does!" said the rest of town... "It sure doesn't!" said the rest of town... Anyone? Cuz I don't want to shoot without some discussion here, and right now I'll stick to hiding and waiting another night. | ||
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Wiggles, I could absolutely be wrong about what I think of when I think "meta." Happy to talk about it postgame if we want to make that a topic of conversation, or maybe it should be in the general discussion, could be helpful. A lot my pushing you was "So many others are pushing him that I have town reads on" + the things that you were active about + some respect for your defense post in LV. I got pretty convinced, and anything you said that would change my mind just reminded me of LV, so I discounted it. I know that "inactive in LV:scum::inactive here:scum" isn't good logic, but I felt like I was considering more than just that. | ||
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Go read Grush's filter again. There's trolling in there. But there are a decent number of reads, reasons, some thoughts just dropped into the thread, that really feel towny and were helpful. With you, it felt like the moment you got accused you just shut down. You'd either OMGUS or refuse to participate. All that electrocution stuff, where we had an electric flavor kill and you were one of two electric pokemon, so had to be a POSSIBILITY. But at the slightest hint that you might have done it, you shut done, left thread, and decided not to play. Doing that was more anti-town than anything Grush did this game, imo. | ||
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You carried that idea the ENTIRE game, even after he flipped, saying he should have warned the thread he'd be playing "against meta." That's both ridiculous AND if you're so concerned about meta, then you know that the time he was scum he tried to play the same as he does when town. And I'm not talking about Drazerk when I talk about you OMGUSing. Here's you on Mementoss On August 29 2012 03:24 JingleHell wrote: I wasn't finding him scummy, until he decided to make this absurd attack on me that makes less sense than anything posted since the last time Grush or Misder talked. It doesn't match the rest of his play this game particularly, which makes me think it's got an ulterior motive. Hence why I'm going to put together a case. Here's you finding Dirk scummy after he gets into it with you: On August 29 2012 03:33 JingleHell wrote: Oh look, twisting my words again. Right now, people I'm seeing as potentially scummy are people who are saying shit that doesn't make any sense from any rational town motive. In your case, twisting my words, in Memen's case, it's his sudden backtrack on the townieness of my claim. (Don't forget at the end of the day, he was strongly supporting how townie my claim was. Now he's seeing tons of scum motive in my keeping it quiet for the sake of being able to use it the same way as needed.) You never decided to call me outright scum, but kept playing around with it. Heck, I don't see you OMGUS drazerk at any point. | ||
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On September 10 2012 09:01 JingleHell wrote: The doneness of the accusations doesn't matter at all. There are going to be half- and otherwise-baked accusations thrown around all game long. At everyone.It'd be a better criticism of my play if he wasn't basing it off of me responding to half baked accusations. Like...I'm not even saying that you responded scummily. It's more that if your response is to OMGUS any accusation, then I'm going to discount your reads. If your response is to shut down and refuse to do anything but vote one guy because he's being productive, I'm going to discount your reads. It wouldn't even matter if you had nailed every scum in the game because they all happened to call you out, you had no thread presence, no pull, and I wasn't going to vote for your targets, and am guessing others wouldn't either. | ||
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