EPTI will not be banned in the first game Bluelightz is hosting.
Dwarf Fortress Mini Mafia
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
I will not be banned in the first game Bluelightz is hosting. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
| ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 06 2012 22:08 marvellosity wrote: I take it that it was just a moment of negligence that you forgot to mention you wanted to follow your dear VI buddies HiroPro and marvellosity. You missed our reunion in Bastard 2  | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
| ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
| ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Thoughts on using Tracker as an innocent child style role instead (if we have one)? It's fairly worthless in this setup since it can only track medic/RB and mafia will know whether or not a tracker is present. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 08 2012 04:26 Mordanis wrote: CVSTO LVNA PRO SVVS ABVTOR GENITIVI PROVOCO ET AVT NOMEN SVVS MVTAVERIT AVT DABO SENSVS MEVS EI + Show Spoiler [Translation] + For his abuse of the genitive I am calling out Custo Luna, and he must either change his name or I will vote for him.+ Show Spoiler + Not really, this was just a fun may to make my 4 years of latin worthwhile, and for anyone who's taken latin: Come on, Luna is a first declension noun. Easiest one to learn, and CL has it wrong in his name (Unless his name is just supposed to be two unrelated nouns, like JingleHell, VisceraEyes, and if you allow one word to be an adjective, BlazingHand, BloodyCobbler, etc, etc, etc.). This is therefore a joke. Funnily enough, the first person I'd like to ask a question is Mr. CL himself. In a way, Sciberbia's post telling people not to claim VT doesn't make any sense, especially when he comes out and says that he's a dwarf. On the other hand though, I don't see why you called out that illogical passage. Are you implying that bad logic is scummy? Or are you just poking fun at him? Why does it not make sense? Saying that he's a dwarf has nothing to do with claiming VT. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 08 2012 04:35 Mordanis wrote: He is still implying that he's VT though, or else just asking for scum to kill him. When someone claims town, they are trying to make other people perceive them as VT. Why else would you claim town? -_- I think you need to reconsider your own logic. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 08 2012 04:43 Mordanis wrote: I'm more than willing to, but I don't see any reason to claim town unless you're trying to come off as VT. If you give me a reason, I'll gladly reconsider if it makes sense. There's no reason to get grumpy ^^ lol, I'm not grumpy, just perplexed. Unless they're claiming something, everyone wants to be perceived as VT lol. Not to mention the fact that saying "i'm town" is pretty much a fluff statement - it doesn't mean anything. What do you think of Forumite witholding his reason for thinking Shiao is scum? | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 08 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote: Why would you want to guarantee one of our only 2 blue roles' death? Tracker might be "fairly useless", but its certainly more useful alive than dead. I'd rather have a confirmed town than a useless blue. And I'm not saying that they should claim now, just that saying that if someone is tracker they should strongly consider claiming at a crucial point (Mylo would be good) rather than waiting endlessly for a useful report that they probably won't get. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 08 2012 05:39 ShiaoPi wrote: @HiroPro: Seeing as you seem to want a tracker to claim at some point, how do you plan to confirm him (like an innocent child would be)? I don't think we would get mod-confirmation for a tracker and therefore scum could fakeclaim just as well. Kind of defeats the entire purpose you had when you try to confirm a townie via claiming. Sure, they can fakeclaim. But it's better odds to lynch between the 2 claims than in general. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:03 Forumite wrote: You mean claim, and if counterclaimed (by scum or the real tracker) we kill them both? I don´t think it´s a good plan. A Tracker is not as good as a DT, but he´s not useless. An innocent child will just get killed if he claims D1. The Tracker can track the one doing the nightkill and the roleblocker, and know if his target is a Doc (no roleblock claim and survives), so basically a DT that misses the one scum that does nothing. Can scum send the roleblocker to perform the nightkill AND roleblock even when there are other goblins alive, thereby reducing the number of people at risk of being Tracked? (Only usefull in a Tracker+Doc setup, but still) Tracker doesn't track night kills. And if it's a setup with a tracker, there's a good chance scum would hold their RBs. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Forumite, what do you make of the fact that Shiao has been willing to discuss the setup right after that? | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 08 2012 15:52 sciberbia wrote: HiroPro In the first quote, HiroPro casts some doubt on Forumite's behavior, but doesn't address shiaopi at all. In the second quote, unless I'm mistaken, HiroPro is actually supporting the idea that shiaopi is scum, by showing how shiaopi has contradicted his own distaste for discussing setup/policy. HiroPro certainly doesn't "disagree" with the case in any way. mm, you're misunderstanding me. I wasn't agreeing with the case - there's no contradiction there (setup and policy aren't the same thing). What I was more interested in was that two of Forumite's main points were that ShiaoPi wasn't sharing his own thoughts and was trying to "shut down discussion". However, right after Forumite made his inital accusation, Shiao was willing to discuss the setup, which doesn't really fit with his points. I wanted to know whether that changed his read. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
| ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
This is much more like his scum games (Normal Mini II and Movie Star) where he acts annoyed and angry for no reason and does nothing. As for Forumite, I'll wait and see. The contradiction that sciberbia and slOosh talk about (wanting to pressure Shiao but at the same time withholding reasoning because ) is certainly present but he's brought a lot more attention onto himself actively than I would expect from a scum player and definitely looks interested in town affairs. We shouldn't lynch him today. ##Vote prplhz | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
| ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 08 2012 05:23 Mordanis wrote: Wow, Forumite's accusation came much earlier than I expected. All Shiao had done was come out as anti-policy, and then when pressed came out against lying and lurking. What in that is scummy, I have no idea. I think its clear that Forumite has some type of plan hatching, but until we find out what the plan is, his early accusation is sort of weightless. It could be an attempt to draw scum out or to force townie mistakes in order to mislynch. Or it could be something completely different, or even some amazing, irrefutable meta-read that paints Shiao as scum already. I don't see how that could be possible, but without further information, it's sort of a null read on Forumite for now. I think Forumite does deserve some extra attention, as I'm always kind of wary of people who are scheming. He starts the game off with a really bad post. + Show Spoiler + As the first post of any kind, you have to think about its purpose. Regardless of how a game progresses, it always starts with policy-talking. There is simply nothing to talk about before this. Really, what do people talk about at the beginning of a game if there is no policy talk? I see this as anti-discussion, which obviously helps scum. Furthermore, by posting zero content while coming out against policy, Shiao is trying to grab town cred. Trying to gain town's trust seems more scum motivated than town-motivated. Town wants scum found, doesn't really care if one VT dies in the process. The life of any scum is much more valued though, so survival is much more important. This makes town trust much more valuable to scum than to town. Overall, this is pretty suspicious. Explain. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 09 2012 12:39 slOosh wrote: I find it very alarming that general consensus of town seems to be lynch prplhz, not because he looks particularly townish but because the same group of people have not even talked about scib's case against Forumite, nor are pushing an alternative such as Shiaopi or Mordanis in earnest. Why are you so unwilling to name names and call out people? | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
1) I grow weary of pointing out Forumite's blatant self-contradictions, but originally, after prplhz's first two posts, Forumite lists prplhz as a nulltell. Then suddenly, without any new posts from prplhz, Forumite wants to lynch prplhz or mord. And later, Forumite clarifies that prplhz actually did seem scummy from the first two posts alone. Blatant contradiction. Hm this is a good point. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote Forumite | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 09 2012 21:06 prplhz wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Reasons people are voting me: On August 09 2012 02:57 DoYouHas wrote: [...] prplhz is looking worse and worse in my eyes because of his lack of quality early and his lurking now. I don't really have anything new to bring against him as he hasn't written anything new. But his silence is condemning, his apparent desire to fly under the radar while everyone is focusing on Shiao/Mord/Forum. He needs to be kept in the spotlight with all our other suspects and he has earned my vote. ##Vote: prplhz Voting for me because I am lurkish. It's a little wobbly between scum and pressure vote but On August 09 2012 05:24 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote Custos is actually getting involved in town affairs ##Vote: prplhz prplhz very much is not. I'm going to look more into the Forumite situation. Need to mull over what slOosh said to me and also see if I can make anything out of what seems to be a lot of 'meh' from people about it. Voting for me because I am lurkish. On August 09 2012 05:32 HiroPro wrote: Let's kill prplhz. As town he may act overwhelmed at times but he certainly doesn't display the attitude or lack of interest that he does here. This is much more like his scum games (Normal Mini II and Movie Star) where he acts annoyed and angry for no reason and does nothing. As for Forumite, I'll wait and see. The contradiction that sciberbia and slOosh talk about (wanting to pressure Shiao but at the same time withholding reasoning because ) is certainly present but he's brought a lot more attention onto himself actively than I would expect from a scum player and definitely looks interested in town affairs. We shouldn't lynch him today. ##Vote prplhz I don't know what to think of this, when I am busy I play like I am playing right now. I appreciate the effort but if you look at Mad Men Mafia you'll see me play lurkish too (and get lynched on day1) and I was town that game. HiroPro, why are you ignoring Mad Men Mafia? Also, how exactly do you feel that my play looks like Normal Mini Mafia II and Movie Star Mafia but not like Mad Men Mafia? On August 09 2012 08:53 Forumite wrote: Yeah, this isn´t the prplhz I´m used to. I can take the fact that you think I´m scum, but I can´t understant why you are not reading what I write and are deliberately misunderstand things. Do you really think I´m trying to take town-credit for being the cause of a discussion about wether or not I´m scum? I don´t think you have any interest in this game at all, you are among the top candidates for a lynch and your defence is nonexistant. You are an easy target because you are scummy, and you haven´t tried to change anyones mind about you since returning, you´d rather throw some suspicion around and hope it blows over. I was ready to vote you earlier when you had posted twice in total, now you are back and I´m even more sure that you are scum. ##Vote prplhz Why are you as town saying something that you don't mean? I read the thread and then I react to that, you shouldn't say stuff you don't mean if you are town because the best you can achieve is that some guy will misunderstand you. Like it's already been pointed out this looks very OMGUS and you were just waiting for me to post so that you could put your vote on me (you'd already expressed the desire to do this but also some scummy reluctance to do it). On August 09 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote: [...] -- prplhz -- I really don't know what to think. He has lurked and hasn't contributed much at all. The 1 liners, and jumping on the most popular case once he did contribute doesn't help his standing in my eyes, and fits with his Normal Mini II scum play. For now, he gets my vote. ##vote prplhz I'll be around for a couple of hours for discussion though. You don't know what to think so you'll just lynch me? Since when are 1 liners something that scum primarily do and how did I just jump on Forumite? I wrote what I liked about the sciberbia case, the point about his weird explanation of his ShiaoPi vote was really good. Forumite is writing something that very literally makes no sense just because he is under light pressure, this is really scummy. You are voting me for being lurkish and for voting someone else for a legit reason. On August 09 2012 18:52 risk.nuke wrote: Prplhz as people have already pointed out don't play like this as town and I prefer to hang him rather then Forumite. ##Vote: prplhz [...] Is this legit? Seriously, you are all voting for an easy target, not because I am scummy but because I lurked a bit. Then you are vaguely referring to the only actual case against me (HiroPro's) which is in itself really vague and also has a big flaw in it (in that he ignores my most recent game where this exact same thing happened as town). People should just notice this if I get lynched, HiroPro is the only one who actually ever brought out any arguments against me, the rest were a pressure vote and a bunch of vague references to that case, and I think it looks like HiroPro is being set up. I didnt know you were in Mad Men. I looked at the games that I had played/observed with you in them (Poison, Liar, Movie, NMM II). The similarity was in your attitude. In NMM II you screamed for the first half of the day that marv was scum but didnt say anything beyond that. In Movie you pretended to get angry about Zentor being in the game and proceeded to tunnel. This game was similar in that you came in not caring about what was going on, acted annoyed by Forumite, and then didnt do anything else. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
| ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 10 2012 07:18 Custos Luna wrote: Well why don't you ask your scumbuddies? I'm sure they would love to have a conversation on what to do tonight. I would love an invitation. Are you offering me one? | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Sooo let's see what we can gather from the mislynch of Forumite. I am taking a closer look onto the votes and how they accumulated as it should give us some info. The final votecount looked like this (if I am not mistaken): prplhz(5): DYH, Marvel, Forumite, Keirathi, risk.nuke Forumite(7): Scib, slOosh, prplhz, Hiropro, Shiaopi, Mord, CL Scib was the one who began applying pressure by writing out a (imo) really good case and he stuck to it til the end, successfully convincing enough people to get his scumread lynched, I see no need to suspect him for now. Sloosh voted Forumite early and continuously tried to garner support for said lynch after having a good look at the Mord case which went parallel with it. Nothing to see here as well. prphlz: Lurks away for most of the first half of Day 1, comes in guns blazing at the moment he is under threat of getting lynched. Although I initially said I liked his response and also stated my general intent to oppose a lynch on him, now taking a look at this with some distance his timing seems quite "fitting". I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt that he was busy and just happened to have time as it turned out to be. Also his response to the votes was good. soo slightly suspicious on him for now. HiroPro: Initially he looked okay to me but then this post here: [QUOTE]On August 09 2012 21:01 HiroPro wrote: Alright, I'll vote for Forumite. I suppose prplhz could just be genuinely busy. ##Unvote ##Vote Forumite[/QUOTE] Notice that he posts it before prphlz is back in the thread responding to the votes. What makes you switch suddenly, when you were all to happy to lynch him based on meta and prphlz' few unhelpful posts at the beginning? After noticing this I also took a closer look at his filter and it is kind of empty without the post on prphlz. Also the switch from this here: + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 05:32 HiroPro wrote: -snip- As for Forumite, I'll wait and see. The contradiction that sciberbia and slOosh talk about (wanting to pressure Shiao but at the same time withholding reasoning because ) is certainly present but he's brought a lot more attention onto himself actively than I would expect from a scum player and definitely looks interested in town affairs. We shouldn't lynch him today. /QUOTE] Mord: I believe my stance on him is quite clear from my filter. What I really do not understand is, while he is kind of right to place some distrust on marv his vote seems like such a throwaway especially with him being absent right after. But in regards to his voteswitch he delievers explanation and he makes sense with it. Also I think his play got a tad better since I called him out. I guess wait and see has to be the course of action on him. If he does some (wholly) decent case not like the against me or parts of the one against Marv I could see him as town, but until then no. Custos: I liked his play a lot (maybe biased because he was agreeing with me), he is also taking clear stances, trying to convince people of his opinions and as a bonus also did not doublelynch when he had the possibility (that would have been suicidal as scum though if both flipped town, so it might not matter that much.) Conclusively I want to keep an eye open on prphlz and Mordanis, while I want Hiro to answer my question before I judge him. as a heads-up I won't have too much time tomorrow and might not make it back before the deadline, will try though. Crashing out now at later than 1 AM. Night! I glanced at prplhz's profile and he wasnt posting anywhere so I figured he really was busy. [QUOTE]On August 10 2012 08:43 DoYouHas wrote: I have a few questions: @Hiropro - What are your thoughts on Shiao? on marv? Who on the Forumite wagon looks most suspicious to you? on the prplhz wagon? @prplhz - What are your thoughts on Keirathi? @Mordanis - Has your stance on marv changed at all? @slOosh - With Forumite flipped townie where do you stand now? [/QUOTE] You'll have to wait for my deadline post. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
I don't have the time to go through filters again but I'll summarize my thoughts. sciberbia is town. His case on Forumite had a lot of effort and he's been consistently townie throughout this game. Mordanis is probably town. His early case on ShiaoPi was not good at all and his posting style annoys me but I feel that he's legitametly sharing his thoughts and honestly I have a hard time believing that any scum team would let Mordanis post that ShiaoPi case. Luna is scum. No experienced player would make a post like the one he just did as town. He makes a big assumption in calling prplhz scum and then uses that to justify everything else. This is especially strange since all of yesterday he was saying prplhz's alignment is unclear. Shiao and Keirathi should be looked at very closely. Shiao pushed Mordanis for reasons that had nothing to do with him being scum and he seems very nervous and reluctant to call people scum (look at his night post on the Forumite voters). Keirathi is not sharing his ideas really at all. Marv is not playing the way that I'm used to seeing him as town, dunno about him. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
 On August 16 2012 01:04 Custos Luna wrote: EBWOP: gg risk/hiro Hope everything is ok IRL hiro It's fine now, thanks. | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Assuming that CL would play in a certain way was really bad on my part; I should have read his games before talking about him but I kind of wanted to say something as I knew I wouldnt be able to post after that. Sorry to everyone about having to leave. It wasnt something I expected to happen. Town really never did anything, but I think scum played well in sniping the blues and avoid suspicion for pretty much the entire game. Time to read the QTs :/ | ||
|
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On August 19 2012 05:42 DoYouHas wrote: The absolutely biggest scum tell from me should have been my meta. If anyone bothered to look at my posting from past games it would have been stupidly obvious that I don't play town like I played this game. The only thing I did this game that looked anything like my town play was my case on CL. Am I correct in saying what kept people from suspecting me was that case and the fact that I almost got prplhz killed day1? That was an accident btw. I asked him if I could go after him. He said bring it on. Then he almost didn't defend himself. All he had to do was post and my case against him would have been so easy to back off of. But then he didn't start posting and I was stuck bussing him. E: I really lucked out with having slOosh on my team. He is the person I have played the most with, and we have butted heads a few times. He would have called me out on my meta day 1. Part of the reason I backed off prplhz was because of how passive you were :/ | ||
| ||
)
