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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 07 2012 22:03 GMT
#378
/in
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 09 2012 01:04 GMT
#423
Hi everyone, nice to meet you all!

I have been blessed with my role of townie, and would like to extend neighborly brownies to all my townie brothers and sisters!

As for policy:

I agree with Hapa's policy of not blindly lynching due to high activity.

I'm torn on the lurking policy, just because I'd feel bad if I accidentally voted for a fellow townie; but we must do what we must do to save our homes!
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 09 2012 05:22 GMT
#460
That doesn't mean Hapa is a townie. Scum know who eachother are, therefore Hapa could know your alignment and could be setting you up to get lynched. It's a good way to shift focus to someone else while also seeming like a townie.

It is also possible that they are both scum. Setting someone up as a sacrifice to ensure everyone views the other as a townie would seem like a very effective strategy.

Just my two cents.

(Post made from mobile so apologies for lack of quotes)
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 00:28 GMT
#535
On August 10 2012 08:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Un-Fos Lvdr and iamperfection

I'm pretty satisfied with Lvdr's activity and defense so far. In addition, he's going after lurkers (Sideni) and is actively defending himself. I see enough similarities with his town play from the aborted game to give him the benefit of the doubt.

As for iamperfection, I think I'm falling victim to confirmation bias on him again. My case was based around his "going with the flow," and his questioning of Promethelax kinda destroys that bit of it. I'm satisfied enough with his activity to lay down my case.

However, I do find two players very suspicious at the moment:

FOS Axero and GoodKarma
Both players have been pretty lurky so far; Axero with 2 posts and GK with 3. Furthermore, neither has contributed anything significant to the discussion.

GoodKarma's three posts have only to do with disagreeing with the lurker policy. He hasn't done anything else while everyone in the town is actively discussing/throwing around suspicions. I find his lack of posting very unsettling.

Axero has two posts, one fluff/introductory post, and another that idly points suspicion:

Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 14:22 Axero wrote:
That doesn't mean Hapa is a townie. Scum know who eachother are, therefore Hapa could know your alignment and could be setting you up to get lynched. It's a good way to shift focus to someone else while also seeming like a townie.

It is also possible that they are both scum. Setting someone up as a sacrifice to ensure everyone views the other as a townie would seem like a very effective strategy.

Just my two cents.

(Post made from mobile so apologies for lack of quotes)


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=24#478
As I pointed out in the link above, his ideas are fairly illogical, and it reads to me like a useless-post designed only to point suspicion.


FOS Hapa

I've actually been pretty busy since the game started, but no I haven't made many posts. I'm sorting out my feelings on people and as this is my first game it's taking me some time to get used to it. However you are very quick to point to several people. The feeling I'm getting from you is that you're only being active to avoid suspicion. Seems like you're over doing it a little bit. Might be a snap reaction but it is how I feel at this point in the game.
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 00:44 GMT
#538
Since the game started and I didn't know I'd be in it I had previous plans. I've been checking the thread and still trying to feel people out, but since nothing really had anything to do with me personally, I haven't replied. (Not the best play, but again, first game )

As for your first criticism, those two statements I made were my response to YH, not actual suspicions against you, kind of just possibilities. But yes, at this point, it is my gut reaction to your actions.

In the middle of a game of DotA atm, so I'm sure this didn't answer everything you wanted. I'll respond in a bit.
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 00:56 GMT
#542
On August 10 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 09:44 Axero wrote:
Since the game started and I didn't know I'd be in it I had previous plans. I've been checking the thread and still trying to feel people out, but since nothing really had anything to do with me personally, I haven't replied. (Not the best play, but again, first game )


So let me get this straight - your strategy going in to this game was to lurk until your name was mentioned, then FOS the guy who called you out for lurking?

Show nested quote +
As for your first criticism, those two statements I made were my response to YH, not actual suspicions against you, kind of just possibilities. But yes, at this point, it is my gut reaction to your actions.

In the middle of a game of DotA atm, so I'm sure this didn't answer everything you wanted. I'll respond in a bit.


Well hearing your "strategy" - you better have some damn good explanations for your play so far.


Haha, no I wasn't planning on lurking. I was actually going to go ahead with my plans without checking the forum at all, but someone coaching me suggested i still check.
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 01:03 GMT
#545
My friend who introduced me to mafia told me
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 10:27 GMT
#577
I should have taken more time to read through the posts and anaylize them. Bad posts on my part. Now to the brunt of it.
On August 10 2012 01:43 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 14:22 Axero wrote:
That doesn't mean Hapa is a townie. Scum know who eachother are, therefore Hapa could know your alignment and could be setting you up to get lynched. It's a good way to shift focus to someone else while also seeming like a townie.

It is also possible that they are both scum. Setting someone up as a sacrifice to ensure everyone views the other as a townie would seem like a very effective strategy.

Just my two cents.

(Post made from mobile so apologies for lack of quotes)


This post makes absolutely no sense.

Your first "theory":
YH is town and I am mafia. Somehow, my exchange with YourHarry is a ploy for me to get YH lynched. Hell I haven't pointed any suspicion at YH! How exactly does this theory make sense?

Even with spoiling that you're joking, you're still putting the idea in people's heads, whether serious or not.
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On August 09 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Your second "theory":
Mafia do not seriously bus each other early in Day 1. Maybe a mini-argument to distance themselves from one another (like the mini-argument between mkfuba and YourHarry early on D1 last game), but never any serious suspicion Hell I don't understand what part of our exchange constitutes any suspicion at all.

You have to explain this more Axero. Wild theories won't get you anywhere, especially if they suggest that you haven't read or analyzed the early-game exchange between me and YourHarry.

Why do Mafia not bus eachother Day 1? It seems that doing so early would set one of the mafia up in a great spot to lead the game in a direction that highly favors them. I may just be missing the point to not doing so. My thinking when bringing this up is that most of you were in a game together already and if you rolled scum this game, you would still need to match your previous activity, because everyone expects you to play this way. What better way to stay active and make a case against someone else than this?

If I'm just completely missing something let me know, but this seems pretty logical from my point of view.

You're suspicious to me Hapa, that hasn't changed as of yet, regardless of lack of evidence.
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On August 10 2012 17:27 YourHarry wrote:
It is possible that Hapa is scum. But the fact that he is being active does not increase that chance. He has been active as townie before, and whether or not he is actively trying to match that meta is unclear.

But let's suppose Hapa is scum. Who do you think are his scum partners? Who do you think can be cleared as town?

As far as who else I think is scum... I have no personal reads on anyone else yet, but much of the arguements against lvdr I find myself agreeing with.

And who I think can be cleared as town, I find myself agreeing with much of what mkfuba07 is saying, so as of right now I'm saying town for him.

YourHarry, even though you're against Hapa as far as me being scum goes, I still can't really place you as town in my book quite yet, but you're closer to town than scum right now. This post from iamperfection is really what is making me a bit cautious.
On August 10 2012 07:18 iamperfection wrote:
Lvdr defends me because he knows im town in hopes that i will go after someone else. Lvdr then encourages me to make new case in hopes to get attention on someone else.


I'll try to start adding good analysis.
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 16:17 GMT
#589
@ Hapa

I'm not going to defend what I have already said was a bad post.

In your post you say the final straw for voting for me was:

On August 10 2012 13:29 Hapahauli wrote:
In regards to the above, I think points 1-3 could be null or bad-townie tells given the proper context. Point 4 however I find extremely scummy. Just look at this quote:

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 09:44 Axero wrote:
Since the game started and I didn't know I'd be in it I had previous plans. I've been checking the thread and still trying to feel people out, but since nothing really had anything to do with me personally, I haven't replied. (Not the best play, but again, first game )

As for your first criticism, those two statements I made were my response to YH, not actual suspicions against you, kind of just possibilities. But yes, at this point, it is my gut reaction to your actions.

In the middle of a game of DotA atm, so I'm sure this didn't answer everything you wanted. I'll respond in a bit.


The excuse is the thing that really gets to me. He's not just saying that he's a newb (normal/badtownie tell) - he's using it as an excuse for not having read the thread, not having provided analysis, and general lurkiness. I find this scummy.


Why did you decide this was the breaking point to which I could no longer be a town, in your eyes?

If I had mentioned me having other plans during the night earlier (like you and a couple others did), would this have changed your view toward the statement, or would you still feel the same way?

The only evidence you have on me not being town is some bad logic posts and excuse posts, that a few others have disagreed with you on. As for Day 1 lynching, your activity isn't a good giveaway and my suspicions remain a gut feeling.

Lvdr seems to be pointing at several people currently. About 80% of his posts this game have been on the topic of lurkers and calling lurkers out, instead of actually discussing anything that actually involves other people's posts. He has a couple, but not many.

##Vote Lvdr



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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 16:27 GMT
#593
I'm interested to know why you still consider me a lurker. I feel as if I've been fairly active recently.
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 16:34 GMT
#596
@ Lvdr

You've been switching targets pretty erratically. 80% is probably an overstatement, but you've been focusing on it quite a bit.
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 16:36 GMT
#599
@ Hapa

It's a fast paced game. I'm still excited to play, even if you can't see it in my posts. Learning as I go.


Fluff:
(Congrats on the wedding btw)
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 16:40 GMT
#600
Haven't heard from mkfuba07 in awhile. Shortly after voting for Lvdr he has actually disappeared. Does this lack of activity strike anyone else as odd?
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 16:45 GMT
#602
I didn't say he reminded me to read. He suggested I keep in touch with the thread, in case someone addressed me. Which was obviously good advice, since you did address me, lol. I didn't use the advice completely correctly, but I think all in all it was better i posted what I did than nothing, don't you?



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Really? Well happy apartment finding then. I have a side of my bed open if you want to rent it!
Happy Wedding Konen!!
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 16:46 GMT
#603
EBWOP:

Spooning required, clothes optional.
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 16:58 GMT
#607
@ Hapa

I honestly didn't think about it before the game started, but it is what it is, cant change that.
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 19:33 GMT
#631
Well since I'm not mafia, have fun lynching a townie.
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 19:37 GMT
#635
Going to mention this again, because it's still striking me as really odd. mkfuba07 hasn't posted since "August 09 2012 19:18." He's been fairly active from the beginning and just dropping off in activity this close to the end of the day seems extremely... not town...

Does anyone else feel the same?

Is this common and not something I should be looking into?
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 19:47 GMT
#639
On August 11 2012 04:45 Sideni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 04:37 Axero wrote:
Going to mention this again, because it's still striking me as really odd. mkfuba07 hasn't posted since "August 09 2012 19:18." He's been fairly active from the beginning and just dropping off in activity this close to the end of the day seems extremely... not town...

Does anyone else feel the same?

Is this common and not something I should be looking into?


Well, what is really suspicious is that we are currently talking about you and then, from nowhere, you try to draw the attention off of yourself by talking about mkfuba being lurking !

##FOS Axero


I pointed it out earlier before any of this, but it was at the end of a page and figured people missed it.
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 19:50 GMT
#643
@iamperfection
Axero**

@Sideni
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=30#600
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