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Dandel Ion
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Dandel Ion
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On August 11 2012 08:19 Sideni wrote: Well, if Goodkarma was against me, it means that I'm clean, right ? :D Yeah. He COULD have tried to create distance, but he attacked Axero in the same posts, and while Ax got himself killed, at least we know he was town - which kinda helps. Also, I at least, didn't think you were scum at the very end of day1. This just about confirms you, given the circumstances. I feel pretty good about Hapa too now (huuuuuge part in switching to GK) I also feel pretty good about deciding on goodkarma myself (I don't want to give myself too much credit, but day 1 was really shitty for me at parts. Let me revel in my joy) | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On August 11 2012 08:40 Shady Sands wrote: Wow. Town is either crazy good this game or scum is bussing. Given that it's day 1 I'm going to say the former is more likely. I don't think scum was bussing this - If Hapa didn't bring GK up, I'm pretty sure we would have just about forgotten him, especially given how crazy the day was. Scum Hapa didn't need to do that - he had plenty of people to mislynch available. | ||
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On August 11 2012 14:39 YourHarry wrote: Regarding Dandel, I agree that he was one of the first three to get on GK bandwagon and without much pressure from you. He voluntarily and very quickly jumped on GK wagon. Aside from this post, which makes me suspicious: I want to upgrade Dandel and downgrade iamperfection on the townie list: Really strong town reads: Hapa, Lvdr, Sideni, Axero Strong town reads: Shadysands, Dandel Maybe town: Null read: Promo, iamperfection scum reads: Kronen Need to re-evaluate mkfuba. I'm going to read through the whole thing properly and post my thoughts before the night ends - But this is something I can clear up really quick: At that point, I was 99% sure Sideni would've been a misslynch. The quote was meant to convey that, whatever goodkarma flips, town would be better off in the end than if we would've lynched Sideni. No matter if I like his play or not, he was active and contributing, while GK was lurking and NOT contributing at all. In an earlier post by me, I call GK a "safe" lynch, because that's what he was to me: Good chance of scum, no real loss if town. Note that I was never 100% convinced GK is scum, I think that's impossible to say from 2 votes. But GK was our best lynch at that time (no matter his flip, since he didn't flip yet), and the part you quoted is me expressing that. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On August 11 2012 20:55 Dandel Ion wrote: Note that I was never 100% convinced GK is scum, I think that's impossible to say from 2 votes. But GK was our best lynch at that time (no matter his flip, since he didn't flip yet), and the part you quoted is me expressing that. WBWOP: bolded should read: two POSTS | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Still relatively undecided on him - His play is not as "dumb" as it was in game 0.5, but that doesn't tell me shit - even if he rolled scum again, he would know that the same behavior won't fly again, given that we all have his previous roll fresh in mind. He soft-defended Lvdr early on, even stating that he think he's town. He also stated he didn't think Axero, Sideni or lvdr to be good lynches - WAY before it was clear to me. He attacked mkfuba and voted him, and didn't change it up all game. Conclusion: YH had a strong scum read on mkuba, and STUCK with it. I feel like it would've been easy for him to sheep onto somebody. While he kinda ruled out the possibility of voting for Ax, Sideni or lvdr himself, there was plenty opportunity to suggest a mislynch without drawing much attention. Verdict: Slight town read to me, scum possible. Kronen: It's weird. He has a bunch of posts, but he doesn't share his reads at all - He has one post FoS'ing 3 people at the same time (lvdr, axero and me), without giving any reasoning (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=38#751) On being asked to lay out his reasons, he posts this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=39#773 Yet again, did not post anything concerning his FoS's, just soft-defends Sideni. Next post he says his preferences change. Fair enough, but he still has not posted any scum-reads. He's there to vote on GK, but it's a bit too late to still consider it a town-tell. So it's a null-tell. He posts a super-useful objective writeup of the GK lynch (marry me pls) I love it and it's useful and everything, but it's frustrating that you still have not posted your reads. You promised to post your reads during the night - fair enough. I shall wait for it. Verdict: TBD mkfuba: I considered you a scumteam together with Sideni during day 1. Scratch that, I was SURE you were a scumteam. Things have changed. Your case on Lvdr was not bad by any means - unfortunately you suffer from 2 problems with it: 1) it was too early in the day to really HAVE any useful reads/cases 2) lvdr, who your only case is against turns out to be a strong town read (for me at least) You explain you lurking afterwards with the Axero/PM debacle - I'll give you that. You seem to pick up your pace, so keep at it. Like Kronen, you voted for goodkarma, but too late to guess the alignment out of it - yet another null tell. Verdict: Null tell. Shady Sands: You have a bunch of reasonable posts, and you outline your vote on Lvdr well. Nothing extensive, but nothing really scummy to find in there, imo. Something I consider a town tell: You didn't jump ship when the GK train was in the making, not even when it was clear GK would be the lynch. If you were mafia, I feel like you would've jumped just to not look suspicious - town doesn't need to worry about looking suspicious. You had accepable reasons for believing lvdr is scum. -> townie points A small detail that's also a small town tell I'd like to highlight: When Sideni and I started digging into each other, you posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=29#561 As mafia, you could've sat back and let town bus Sideni (remember: that ALMOST happened) - since you'd have known everyone's alignments, it would have been an EASY mislynch with a lot of destructive finger-pointing afterwards. I'm leaning town for you. Promethelax My #1 scum read at the moment. + Show Spoiler + Some meta to start it off: In game 0.5 he opened the game by posting this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=10#190 My highlight out of there is: My strengths in mafia games are my ability to build strong cases and to post in an active and pro-town manner. He has not done any of that this game. Spoilered because it's not really an argumentOn to the real case: 1) He accused me on being scum on my SECOND post in the thread. on the basis of "lurking" not fitting my "meta". Nevermind the fact that day/night posts are at 1 AM for me. 75% of my "lurking" time, I've just been sleeping. Whatever, he might just be PMS'ing. I conceded that I didn't post shit yet + Show Spoiler + (as an european I'm pretty used to NA people forgetting about timezones and shit) next: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=25#498 Roundhouse kicking a few people. Wouldn't be too bad, but what stands out is that while berateing people for not commenting on what happened so far, he didn't actually comment on any of that either - he just picks 4-5 people and casts general suspicion everywhere. Asks iamperfection why he's so free with his FoS, when the first thing he did himself is FoS'ing YourHarry and lvdr IN HIS FIRST POST, without any good reason. Some posts questioning and passively accusing people inbetween. Then he finally takes it on his shoulders to try and contribute: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=32#624 What stands out first is how long the post is. What stands out right after that is how he says NOTHING with it. He casts general suspicion everywhere he can (I'm seeing a pattern). In just this one post calls scummy: Sideni (good-as-confirmed town), Axero (flipped town), me (am town), lvdr (strong town read) iamperfection (decent town read) and YourHarry (town-ish, as I stated above) All his reads are weak as hell, even back then, and outright silly now. I personally interpret his Sideni vote as trying to get the mislynch train rolling He then has a shitton of oneliners/no-content posts. Whenever possible, he also tries his best to insult me, which is kinda weird, for scum to openly antagonize people, but whatever. Doesn't even try to think about the Sideni situation, leaving his vote on him. By that time even I, one of the biggest pushers for a Sideni lynch, didn't think Sideni was scum anymore. He even insults me (nothing new in itself) for jumping off the Sideni train in time. I see no town motivations ANYWHERE in Promethelax' play. Verdict: SCUM Those are my thoughts on people as it stands right now, tell me if i missed anything/if you don't follow my logic anywhere. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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To get it out there, TOWN RANKINGS Hapa and Sideni are as-good-as-confirmed townies. lvdr is a strong town read iamperfection is a solid town read. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On August 12 2012 02:59 Promethelax wrote: I would put the second scum between Dandel and Shady: Dandel says that he can't comment on his feelings on me until he is asked about it, when I am his biggest scum read. I hadn't psoted at all between these two posts. So what changed? I'd say that Dandel realized that there was some town sentiment against me and it was safe to make his move. I didn't want to comment/think about you before because I was pissed at you for being a massive dick. I slept over it, and I feel like I can post it now, without being too emotionally influenced. How about you adress my case (and the other's suspicions against you) instead of trying to invalidate it with you BS? | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On August 12 2012 03:11 Hapahauli wrote: @ Dandel Ion - don't take away too much from Promethelax's post. It's not founded in logic or reason; it's 100% desperate mafia. Nothing worth getting upset over. I wish Axero didn't die - I'd request a vigi shot on Prom on the spot. I wish I WAS the Vigi  Woulda loved to do it myself | ||
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Dandel Ion
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If he's suicidal, he's trying to distance himself from the nightkill. Maybe he's trying to juke the medic by making Hapa and me look like NK targets and then kill somebody else - not a good trade for making his scum obvious in the process. He might just try to buy somebody towncred - we'll see. What I really want to see now is Kronen's post | ||
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Dandel Ion
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Or is night 48 hours also? | ||
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On August 12 2012 08:54 Hapahauli wrote: Sooo... does anyone have a reason we shouldn't vote Promethelax? nope ##vote Promethelax | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On August 12 2012 08:59 Hapahauli wrote: I actually have a bit to say about the Kronen NK - post incoming when I finish dinner. On thing that would make sense is an attempted blue snipe. Given how Kronen layed low during day 1, scum might've assumed he was blue. Why they wouldn't go after a confirmed/strong town, I don't really know. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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No logical connection between the two? True, I'm just tired. G'night. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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While the lynch is clear TODAY, I don't know about the next one. Yeah, some people already decided on the third scum, just depending on Prome's scum flip, but I haven't. Maybe it could be easy and we'll get it over with quickly. But we might also miss something. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for today (day 2) to be shortened, but I'm not so sure if I want 24-hour-days permanently. Also, voting for a 24-hour-day in the thread is dumb. If somebody decides to vote against it, he's gonna be singled out for it, and argued into the scum corner. So scum won't openly say they're against it, even if they are. If we were to vote for it, I guess PM'ing the hosts would be best. Can we get a statement on how to do this? | ||
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Blue roles would also be in blue. | ||
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