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On August 10 2012 13:00 Shady Sands wrote: Got it. What I was concerned with was pushing a newbie so hard that they end up in a situation where the more they try to defend themselves, the deeper the hole gets, and inevitably it creates a situation where they become the "easy lynch". That being said I've been watching Axero too (if you read my earlier posts). He hasn't crossed the scum threshold yet but he is something I am keeping an eye on. But I want to get a neutral read on him before I start the pressure... I don't want my read on him to be colored by the fact that I am pressuring him. There is also a similarity between Axero and Golbat last game: saying you have things to post without posting them. Tough to read though: as always bad play is not necessarily scummy play. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=28#558 This question got the answer it deserved. Lurker policy has been covered: if you want my views, go look them up. Regarding the drunk posting, please address the points I made here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=28#552 The post comparing Golbat and Axero was a contribution to an ongoing meta discussion. Not sure how that is suspicious. Second, why make lurkiness and incoherent posting the sole criteria for how to lynch D1? This just shows that you haven't been reading the thread carefully. @YH please also refer to this post regarding the drunk posts. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=28#552 Your logic is actually plausible, but only for a sober lvdr  Regarding my apparent lack of scumhunting: I was the first to make a case against Sideni, however, Dandel started grilling Sideni so I decided to back off. In my opinion, Sideni has not done a particularly good job of defending himself. The strange analogies don't mean anything and contribute to a filter that is incredibly fluffy. Like really good pancakes. | ||
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Lvdr seems to be pointing at several people currently. About 80% of his posts this game have been on the topic of lurkers and calling lurkers out, instead of actually discussing anything that actually involves other people's posts. He has a couple, but not many. First of all (at time of writing) I am only pointing at Sideni. Second, if you actually read my filter you'll see your 80% lurker post claim to be comical. Both claims are not only incorrect, but easily verifiable by reading. | ||
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Additional questioning seemed redundant and my suspicions were already clear.@axero: Your play has been exceeding poor. If you survive lynch d1 please try to pick it up. Instead of writing your 80% accusation based on your perceptions, go back and read to gather evidence and construct a strong case. | ||
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Point 1, Mkfuba's case: You call Dandel scum based on not commenting on the case, however by this logic 6 other people should be suspicious to you. However your point that Dandel could have commented could be useful later, but right now it is a WIFOM argument. Point 2, willingness to lynch YH: You ignore the logic behind considering lynching YH, instead making another wild WIFOM argument. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=21#415 explained by Hapa Point 3, naming lurkers and spoiler tag placement: Early d1 there are few leads. Pointing this out does not make you scummy. The spoiler tag argument is absurd, and followed up by a WIFOM argument Yes indeed, we can see that he thinks I'm concerned that I'm on a case, trying to draw attention from people on me ! (I'm not concerned, I'm just explaining myself) Next, he seems to lack a basic understanding of mafia strategy: He even says that if I die, it would only help town to get more info about the people who would bandwagon on me... Why would a town player be happy to get information from a sacrifice of his mate !? On the first hand, why would he ever think about that if he was town ?! It is difficult to consistently get red flips with D1 lynches. Town does its best, but the real strategy is that by lynching someone voting patterns will be available for analysis in later rounds. Doing so, he's again trying to get the attention off of him and Lvdr (Saying Lvdr because it all started because I was talking about Mkfuba's case). Sideni relentlessly tunnel's a WIFOM scumteam of Dandel and me. Regarding the lack of scumhunting... Dandel is hunting Sideni because Sideni's play has been outrageously bad/scummy. He has also made reads on me and Axero. He hasn't been prolific, but (because I share his suspicions) I find targeting Sideni quite reasonable. | ||
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point 1 : As you know, we are 9 towns and there are 3 mafia. 6 of everbody talked about Mkfuba's case. Assuming that you are mafia I would assume that mafia players wouldn't comment on the case or at least, they would try to find something bad about the case which didn't happen. So, my guess is that all 6 people who commented are town and lurkers could be town as well. This is naive to the point of foolishness. they would try to find something bad about the case which didn't happen. The thing is that YourHarry, before Dandel Ion comments, DOESN'T behave like a scum ! YH offers a rebuttal to mkfuba's case. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=24#470 Maybe you missed it, but it makes your case logically inconsistent. I want you to explain me how do I seem to lack a basic mafia strategy ? I mean, why would we sacrifice a town to get information when we can lynch someone who looks scummy ?! YOU look scummy. | ||
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On August 11 2012 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: To be honest, I'm shocked at how little attention that Axero is getting. He's laying low and has demonstrated some clear anti-town behavior. Some players have mentioned having suspicions of him, but no one has so much as FOS'd him. Go with me a bit here: If Axero was town, wouldn't he be a REALLY EASY MISLYNCH FOR MAFIA? Why has NO ONE voted for him? I'm inclined to think that his mafia buddies are covering for him! Right now I think both Sideni and Axero are in the "are they bad or are they scummy" situation. I would argue Sideni has looked more straight up scummy, but I also remember Hapa's advice from earlier that given two players the less active one is more likely to be scum. Just a note to add, Hapa is really trying to put suspicion on Axero and relieve pressure on Sideni with this post. Worth paying attention to later in the game when we have some flips. It is around 3 hours to lynch? | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:42 Promethelax wrote: Does anyone have the votecount in their notes? I don't and don't want to go back through the thread to see where we stand if I can use that time for something useful. Like re reading Axero's posts and hitting myself in the face with a brick. I've been lurking here thinking the same thing lol. My vote remains on Sideni, but I'd like to throw some ideas about mkfuba out there. First, my drunkposts painted a huge target all over me. mkfuba took that opportunity to actually write a case on me, the easiest target at the time. Reminds me of shady sands going after synyster in d 0.5. Second, the lurkiness. He made his case and had a back-and-forth with YH. Since then he has been completely MIA. My read is still null. His case was plausible enough at the time and he finishes with this: As such, I accept full responsibility if a bandwagon forms on Lvdr, as at this time I firmly believe he is scum. Doesn't seem like a scum play. | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:53 Dandel Ion wrote: Alright I thought about it. I think this is how I want to proceed: We lynch lvdr. He flips town, we lynch Sideni day 2 and probably mkfuba on day 3 He flips scum, you guys probably lynch me day 2 I'm pretty sure we get at least 1 scum with that. I won't lie, I'd like to have Sideni out of the game as fast as I can, but we all make our sacrifices.... I don't think anyone read this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=28#552 With that in evidence what is the case against me? | ||
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If I flip scum why would you be the lynch target? You are pushing the case on me, and D1 busing can't be common. | ||
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On August 10 2012 11:36 Lvdr wrote: Also, regarding my drunk-posting: clearly they were controversial snap judgments made early on D1. In terms of content they are completely irrelevant now. However the main argument against me right now is that they 'caused confusion' and therefore I am mafia. Instead of endlessly discussing policy, giving strong reads and attracting attention in this way gives the town something to actually analyze. Imagine going back to read the discussion after a few flips. The motives of those accusing me AND defending me would be quite informative. Will someone please address this? | ||
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My vote stands for now. | ||
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Probably my last mafia game | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:54 Dandel Ion wrote: Can we just lynch a lurker now? Shady Sands preferrably, Axero is also acceptable I don't think we're on the right track right now I actually like this approach more and more. Lets quickly hash out who the best lurker to lynch would be. | ||
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