EPTOn that note, sideni is mafia because he doesn't fit his town meta!!
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Lvdr
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On that note, sideni is mafia because he doesn't fit his town meta!! | ||
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On policy, you have to aim at lurkers to make them come out. Ideally there are no lurkers and lynches can be based on info and reasoning. | ||
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Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was. | ||
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Lvdr
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Otherwise Yh could be mafia trying to gain town cred by calling someone town (who he knows is town). If both are mafia it would be quite risky because one red flip casts suspicion on the other in that case. However they would still be providing some cover to each other. As i said the point is moot because it was retracted and its impossible to make a WIFOM read on YH if he didn't know his role at the time. | ||
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link 1: iam clearly does not trust yh, especially given what happened last game. understandable. link 2: he is looking for more information. yes he doesn't offer an opinion, but it seems like a null read, not scummy. link3: as you said he missed the joke spoiler. null read. link 4: confirms that he missed the spoiler mentioned in link 3 and shows a proportional amount of suspicion on me. reads town to me because mafia have no interest in encouraging me to mount a good defense. link 5: follows his established pattern of encouraging others to put out more information and reads. This reads as a very flimsy case and even a bit of a reach. | ||
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Right after his town read, YH says I dream of catching scums by trolling. and then This game though, it just took one post for me to trust you. YH's read is almost certainly not serious. Hapa is a good enough player to immediately @ YourHarry: Thanks for your trust, but keep in mind that most players in-game had a strong town read on me in XXI... and we all know what happened out of that! I'll be sure to make my townie motives clear throughout the game =) That means YH didn't catch him in a scumslip, but he isn't just cleared as town either. | ||
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Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)... I find this passage by Sideni somewhat scummy. Sideni claims a weak command of english multiple times, but is still comfortable bandwagoning mkfuba's argument with a semantic argument. As i said last game, scum hate making their own cases, and Sideni's is pretty fluffy. FOS Sideni | ||
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I agree that iamperfection hasn't offered much of his own, but his play has really mirrored your own in terms of questioning many people. @iamperfection - I encourage you to make a case of your own. While you have encouraged plenty of discussion, you haven't contributed a lot of your own analysis. | ||
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On August 10 2012 07:06 iamperfection wrote: I aint going to fabricate a case just to defend myself. If you have no analysis to make doesn't this make you useless to the town? The idea behind lynching lurkers is that continued activity makes it very difficult for mafia to hide. In this case you are refusing to put yourself out there; essentially that would make you a lurker. | ||
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Town is afraid of mislynching and encourages a robust defense in the interest of getting more information. It cannot be said enough that it is d1 and these reads are completely preliminary. Look it as +1 town points, but you need more than 1 to be town, or town read with low confidence. | ||
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@everyone - What is the book on emotional players? | ||
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It was the additional case Sideni provided. How does changing the order in any way change whether there was a scum tell or not? Whether I happened to say town or mafia first I think the suspicion would have been similar. Therefore, Sideni's addition reads as quite fluffy to me. | ||
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The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)... This is the fluff. | ||
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With regard to the apparently contradicting posts I made regarding Sideni's scummy argument and bandwagoning, I should have phrased it that I wasn't accusing Sideni for bandwagoning. My intent was to draw attention to what I saw as a weak and fluffy argument. Notice the second sentence: Agreeing with mkfuba's case is not what I found suspicious. | ||
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Instead of endlessly discussing policy, giving strong reads and attracting attention in this way gives the town something to actually analyze. Imagine going back to read the discussion after a few flips. The motives of those accusing me AND defending me would be quite informative. | ||
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3. Shady Sands: Shady has taken umbrage with a (admittedly) confusing clarification I made and accused axero of lurking. He hasn't said anything else, but he's taken a position. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=25#499 2. Axero: Axero has appeared long enough to FOS Hapa for (rightfully) calling him a lurker. OMGUS at its finest. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#535 1. goodkarma: goodkarma has given us gems like: Here's to hoping that there won't be like 3+ lurkers this game... -_- ands a side-note, I'm betting we don't have many lurkers anyway. We are very fortunate to have had this game restarted, as it's given lurkers a chance to weed themselves out from playing . ... and followed it up with some quality lurkage. I declare goodkarma our lurker champion for now. | ||
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