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On August 06 2012 10:12 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:@ Golbat: Welcome! @ Dandel Ion: I disagree to a certain extent - not all scum will suddenly become active and incriminate themselves to bandwagon a player. Many scum in newbie games are comortable staying out of the thread and never being active. I do not believe that the "sudden activity read" it is an excuse to not be concerned with "scum lurkers" early in the game, and we should smoke-'em out as early as possible. On August 06 2012 08:50 Dandel Ion wrote:... On August 06 2012 08:41 Hapahauli wrote:I do not agree with not lynching players just by merit of being active. But since it is highly unlikely that we find a big scumslip on day 1 (though one may hope), I would be fine with getting rid of a lurker day 1. I would also be okay with a no-lynch on day 1, since the chances of correctly lynching without information is 25%, so basically it's a crapshoot. But I'll understand if I find few supporters for that idea... Just putting it out there. No-lynching Day 1 is a terrible terrible idea. Even in the event of a mislynch, town gains so much information from the voting process that even a lynch with "poor odds" is beneficial. Furthermore, I believe town has a higher than 25% chance of lynching mafia if we don't bandwagon on an active/controversial poster (this is where most of the mislynches come from in the recent games I've seen). A no-lynch gives mafia a free night-kill while keeping the town in the dark. But with scum being able to coordinate themselves, I'd imagine it's very easy for them to force a bandwagon on a townie, no? I think you over-estimate the power of mafia. Mafia only have 3 votes as opposed to town's 9 votes. Furthermore, if Mafia violently forces a bandwagon, it reveals their hand and makes them easy lynches in subsequent days. I was reading through the OP and host said that we would know which roles are in the game, but not the number of roles. I'm not sure how Hapahauli knows there are only 3 scum in the game. Also, why is Promethelax so quiet? In the last game I played him, he racked up 10 posts in the first six hours of the game.
I'm saying this once and never again.
When I'm here I'll be active (as scum or as town look at XIX (scum) and XXII (town) for confirmation) when I am not here I will be at work, parties or with my fiance. During those times I will not post.
On August 06 2012 11:04 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 10:59 Shady Sands wrote:On August 06 2012 10:54 iamperfection wrote:Sup everybody I have come around in my thinking from previous games and agree that lynching lurkers is a good policy to have. When the town is inactive or loses its active players it is very easy for the scum to start leading the town. In my first game my scum buddies were able to dominate the conversation. In my last game that son of a bitch hapa cost me my perfection and i have been in mourning ever since. Its redemption time On August 06 2012 10:12 Shady Sands wrote:
Also, why is Promethelax so quiet? In the last game I played him, he racked up 10 posts in the first six hours of the game. Alright lets not go accusing people of lurking in the first 2 or so hours into the game. We have 48 hours and while i want to see activity its important to remember this is forum mafia there will be times people can be active and not active. On August 06 2012 10:24 Lvdr wrote:
I guess I misunderstood. I thought golbat was a mafia that got lynched d1.
I'm really just trying to get some opinions going. You can easily go back and see the results of that game. takes 2 seconds and now people are going to start questioning your effort http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353315Speaking of previous games i would like to know how yourharry is going to aproach this game. If we are going to get your logic that makes no sense where your "sure" sombody is town or mafia i say we lynch you know before your logic festers and contaminates the town. One of the reason i lynched calgar in my previous game is because he actually used your logic in his own defense. Unforgivable in my view. Your thoughts? I'm not accusing Prome of lurking, I'm just saying that his behavior this game doesn't match up with his behavior last game (when he flipped green) and his behavior in XIX (when he was scum). On August 06 2012 10:28 Golbat wrote:On August 06 2012 10:12 Shady Sands wrote:On August 06 2012 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:@ Golbat: Welcome! @ Dandel Ion: I disagree to a certain extent - not all scum will suddenly become active and incriminate themselves to bandwagon a player. Many scum in newbie games are comortable staying out of the thread and never being active. I do not believe that the "sudden activity read" it is an excuse to not be concerned with "scum lurkers" early in the game, and we should smoke-'em out as early as possible. On August 06 2012 08:50 Dandel Ion wrote:... On August 06 2012 08:41 Hapahauli wrote:I do not agree with not lynching players just by merit of being active. But since it is highly unlikely that we find a big scumslip on day 1 (though one may hope), I would be fine with getting rid of a lurker day 1. I would also be okay with a no-lynch on day 1, since the chances of correctly lynching without information is 25%, so basically it's a crapshoot. But I'll understand if I find few supporters for that idea... Just putting it out there. No-lynching Day 1 is a terrible terrible idea. Even in the event of a mislynch, town gains so much information from the voting process that even a lynch with "poor odds" is beneficial. Furthermore, I believe town has a higher than 25% chance of lynching mafia if we don't bandwagon on an active/controversial poster (this is where most of the mislynches come from in the recent games I've seen). A no-lynch gives mafia a free night-kill while keeping the town in the dark. But with scum being able to coordinate themselves, I'd imagine it's very easy for them to force a bandwagon on a townie, no? I think you over-estimate the power of mafia. Mafia only have 3 votes as opposed to town's 9 votes. Furthermore, if Mafia violently forces a bandwagon, it reveals their hand and makes them easy lynches in subsequent days. I was reading through the OP and host said that we would know which roles are in the game, but not the number of roles. I'm not sure how Hapahauli knows there are only 3 scum in the game. Also, why is Promethelax so quiet? In the last game I played him, he racked up 10 posts in the first six hours of the game. Promethelax might be trying to be quieter than last game, because those 10 posts in six hours were a big part of getting him lynched, were they not? I should probably be doing the same, but posting is just so much DAMN FUN. That's exactly my point. In XIX Prome was scum and led discussions actively from D1. In XXII Prome was town and posted a ton of fluff, and posted a bunch of weak cases. In XXIII, Prome is not posting. Weird Or its been only three hours and its sunday night and he dosent work on monday so he is getting drunk. Or like he stated before the game starts he some times works on sundays.
Glad to see you are here for me bud! Yeah, I was working.
Also Shady: my cases were actually pretty strong. The one on you was obviously wrong but it was a good case. (lets leave this til XXII finishes)
I see there is a lot of policy talk, I don't like policies and feel that they don't contribute to town. I will be making a case on someone and voting for them on that case. Their posting habits may be a factor or may not but I will not make a policy on it.
On August 06 2012 16:25 YourHarry wrote:
Lynching a player based on inactivity is good on multiple grounds.
1. It encourages discussion, whether or not the player is scum. Discussion should be good for town.
2. Scums tend to lurk. Case in point: XIX
3. Having an inactive town around is a potential mod-kill that could mean losing the game, e.g. in LYLO.
1. True!
2. Did you read that game? I had town by the nose by virtue of not lurking.
3. No! Bad YourHarry, lynching a townie is always bad. Lynching a bad townie hurts town because we lose a townie.
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On August 06 2012 16:50 YourHarry wrote:
Shit LOL messed up the quotes. Oh well, more work for you guys.
I'm pretty sure this post is a joke but this does not show a town mentality
##FoS: that dude, Harry or whatever
+ Show Spoiler +I'm high as balls. I don't know how much of this makes sense. If you need a translator ask tomorrow
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Hi all,
sorry for my first post. I don't feel it contributed much, although it has elicited an interesting/hilarious response from YH.
Let me introduce myself, my name is Promethelax and I am town.
My strengths in mafia games are my ability to build strong cases and to post in an active and pro-town manner.
My weaknesses include using the words town and townie too much in my posts and often failing to explain things that seem self-evident to me.
I am very excited to be in this game and I'll be at my computer for another hour or so.
For those of you interested in active scum/passive scum Hapa and I both played excellent active scum games XIX and XXI, respectively, and will be active regardless of alignment.
YH was town in XXI and played as inexplicably as he is playing here. He voted for three people on D1 and unvoted one of them about a million times (rereading his filter I can't tell how many were because he wrote them wrong and how many were because he changed his mind). All three of his targets were town.
Hapa: thanks for getting the discussion going. How do you feel about Golbat?
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Lvdr: Who else do yo have suspicions of and why?
(not counting liking what my boy perfection said)
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On August 06 2012 23:50 Golbat wrote:
HARRY. DOWN BOY, DOWN. BAD DOG.
But forreal. 4 posts in a row is unnecessary
At the moment, I'm suspicious of three-ish people. I'll have cases written up on them probably within 8 hours.
Right now, however I need to go beat tuition money out of my high school guidance counselor, and then go suit shopping. I have no clue when i'll be back, or if I'll be able to post in between. See you laters.
<3
I'd like to bring attention to this post: it is neither a scum or a town tell but if you promise to make reads you had better do it. Golbat I want to hear what you think about people and I will be happy to vote you if you do not provide these cases, I know irl things can get in the way so I don't expect them at this moment but I do expect them within this day.
goodluck on your tuition moneys.
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On August 07 2012 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:07 Promethelax wrote:
YH was town in XXI and played as inexplicably as he is playing here. He voted for three people on D1 and unvoted one of them about a million times (rereading his filter I can't tell how many were because he wrote them wrong and how many were because he changed his mind). All three of his targets were town.
After reading this game, I'm convinced YourHarry has a secret DT role, the reverse DT. Everyone he attacks is town, people he says are town are mafia. He even breadcrumbed it in his in-post: + Show Spoiler +This post was not serious, pls ignore.
not going to lie, I laughed. But this is a waste of time and space. How do you feel about him and his play? Is Harry town, null or scum in your eyes and why?
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sorry for third post, missed Lvdr up there:
that seems like a decent point. Thanks for bringing it to my attention and I will have to go back and look at Syn.
I had another point about Golbat in the above post. This point is made out of WIFOM. Feel free to ignore it.+ Show Spoiler +If 1. Golbat is scum, 2. YH is in this game and 3. I am town Golbat defending me against YH could be a good idea to buy him town cred with someone he knows is an active and experienced (for a newbie game) poster /speculation, feel free to ignore this, I probably will
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On August 07 2012 02:37 Lvdr wrote:
Prome- What do you think of hapa? Seems solidly town, but a gf play could be devastating, esp given that he has been an active and successful scum before.
I like active posters and it is great to have another one in this game but as I said, neither of us (Happa, me) should be cleared of suspicion just because we are active we have both played active scum games where we roflstomped the town.
As those of you who played XXII with me know I believe that town needs a strong voice, a strong leader to create a positive town atmosphere and make sure that the town functions. A town Shepard essentially (lol sheep) not to tell people where to vote but to be the voice of reason when two townies tunnel each other (a la VE and WBG in every game ever, for a specific example see how Mattchew intercedes between them in the first MTG mini). This being said I do not think that the most active poster is always the man for this job and I would be wary of anyone trying to put themselves in the role of a town leader who should be followed, instead I think the town needs a leader who can tell us to back off of each others' throats and think about our case without confirmation bias. I will try to provide that voice when I can but I would do that as scum too because I think it is the most townie play possible.
What do you mean by gf?
On August 07 2012 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:33 Promethelax wrote:On August 07 2012 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 07 2012 02:07 Promethelax wrote:
YH was town in XXI and played as inexplicably as he is playing here. He voted for three people on D1 and unvoted one of them about a million times (rereading his filter I can't tell how many were because he wrote them wrong and how many were because he changed his mind). All three of his targets were town.
After reading this game, I'm convinced YourHarry has a secret DT role, the reverse DT. Everyone he attacks is town, people he says are town are mafia. He even breadcrumbed it in his in-post: Hi guys, I am in as the detective + Show Spoiler +This post was not serious, pls ignore. not going to lie, I laughed. But this is a waste of time and space. How do you feel about him and his play? Is Harry town, null or scum in your eyes and why? When I read his posts in this thread I saw him as my #1 scum read (though that does not mean too much, I don't have any realy strong reads yet). Then I read his previous game and saw him flip green. Now I just don't know what to think of him.... If he's town, his play makes no sense. If he's scum, his play makes no sense because it's TOO obvious. I just don't know what he IS, what I know is that his play doesn't help town. Also, sorry about the fluff, will try to not post random shit, but old habits die hard...
Read his posts and look for the motivation in them, is it scum or town? As scum why would he do what he has done? as town why would he do it. Actions speak louder than meta.
I understand about the fluff but I would really like it to be gone. If you want to get drunk and pm gifs of cats falling down stairs or whatever lets wait for the end of the game. While we are here I would like every post to contribute to the discussion.
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On August 07 2012 02:54 Lvdr wrote:
gf is godfather - therefore undetectable. Strat would be: elected godfather, become important and active townie, lead town around on a merry chase.
okay that is what I thought.
You are completely ass backwards on this one. XIX and XXI the most active mafia in both of those were Goon, not GF. I do not feel that the role someone gets should effect their play. Most players have a general meta and they play to it whether blue, green or red. (Some have specific metas to each alignment). i.e. If I were to role a blue I would have said the same things I have said although I am in fact a VT.
Also the goal of being a really pro-town player as scum is to never get a dt check on you, be so clearly town that checking you would be a waste of a night check.
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Though Harry has played so far with his pants squarely atop his head I feel that this is totally in line with his town meta, essentially I find his posting scummy and will be watching him but am hesitant to vote into him because his play is simply bad and, as any coach will tell you, bad play is a dumb-tell not a scum tell.
The player I have the most concern with right now is Golbat, as I said earlier making a promise and not following through is an anti-town behavior. Not simply bad play but anti-town. This allows for a player to get off the hook of suspicion because they have promised to do work to help town but also keeps them from having to put their reads into the thread which allows a scum player to stay neutral about people until they can let a townie make the case.
Until he posts his 'cases' my ##Vote will be on Golbat
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On August 07 2012 09:59 Lvdr wrote:
Sideni: Restating a case made by someone else is not good for establishing town cred. Harry is erratic, but that doesn't mean he's scum.
So far you've suspected YH and Hapa. There are 3 scum, so who is the third?
please don't start making connection theories without a single flip. We'll be so deep in WIFOM that we'll need gills to breathe.
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On August 07 2012 10:11 YourHarry wrote:That's how I play. When I make a read, I post it. Sometimes I ask others to guess the reasons behind my vote. And sometimes, reasons behind my suspicions can seem trivial, especially in the beginning of the day. And as Hapha pointed out, I throw in different theories out there and see what people think of them and which one sticks. And they do a good job generating plenty of discussions early in the day. To be fair though, the second link referenced by "Just to jump onto somebody else right after" was actually me fixing my previous post regarding my suspicion on mkfuba. I guess that means you didn't read my original "messed" up post, because the contents were identical. And it seems that iamperfection seems to be blaming me for us losing the XXI game. I admit that I did not have a very good track record in voting or even in my reads that game. Though, I did suspect that calgar that game was town, which basically got ignored, understandably. I got some coaching though, and I think I am improving. You may disagree, but let's see how I do this game. I have a confidence in myself this game. Just trust me 
I expect better play from you here than in XXI and I think that this might have the inklings of such play in it. It is time to stop fighting off the suspicions on you though and make real reads for the whole thread to see.
If more people want to bring up Harry's bad play as scummy they will have to go through me. I am, here and now, hard defending his bad play. It is bad. Not scummy. The one thing that makes him look scummy to me was his first refusal to re-post his post after screwing up the formatting. Since than he has been playing in a pro-town way and I expect him to continue to improve.
So harry, though I think your play seems scummy I am going to base my read off of your meta, prove me right and play a pro-townrole here.
On August 07 2012 10:05 Lvdr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 10:02 Promethelax wrote:On August 07 2012 09:59 Lvdr wrote:
Sideni: Restating a case made by someone else is not good for establishing town cred. Harry is erratic, but that doesn't mean he's scum.
So far you've suspected YH and Hapa. There are 3 scum, so who is the third? please don't start making connection theories without a single flip. We'll be so deep in WIFOM that we'll need gills to breathe. I am not claiming a connection, I'm asking for sideni to make a unique case. Restating another case while providing nothing of your own is potential-scum behavior.
Fair enough, I misunderstood the intention of your original post.
I see that the real Slim Shady stood up, I like your case SS and I'll think about Syn.
Golbat: you gave us one case a day late and it had already been made. What gives?
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Off to bed with my young lady, I'll check back in the morning.
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On August 07 2012 14:11 Hapahauli wrote:Regarding the case on Promethelax (by mkfuba07)I'll be honest - I just don't have enough information to cast significant suspicion against Promethelax. I consider the meta-stuff as null tells. I consider his view on YourHarry a null-tell as well, and I give him some townie points for being willing to flip-flop on his views. I'd expect mafia to tunnel YourHarry more (hence my suspicions against iamperfection). I also don't follow your logic here: Show nested quote +He mentions many actions that are considered pro-town, gives advice for appearing pro-town, and states as a strength "posting in an active and pro-town manner." When not giving meta advice, his posts are filled with instructions for how to be a good townie. This isn't an issue on its own, but he then avoids contributing to the discussion, either simply agreeing/disagreeing with people or telling them he'll look into it. His only case is one against Golbat based on something he admits is not a scum tell. He votes for Golbat despite stating that he feels that YH's play is scummy, and this is after he states that it's bad to lynch townies no matter what. I think you twist his motives here. By the time he votes for Golbat, he's pretty up-front about how he thinks YH is town. Also, his statement about "it's bad to lynch townies" has no contradictions with his vote against Golbat, who he believes is exhibiting "anti-town behavior" by virtue of Golbat's promised (yet missing at that point in time) case.
I was writing up a response to Mfua but this sums it up pretty well, the things he said about me are dead wrong.
On August 07 2012 16:08 mkfuba07 wrote:HapahauliI was really confused when you mentioned Promethelax's thoughts on Golbat's "anti-town behaviour", so I went back through his filter again. You're absolutely right, and I'm not sure how I missed the majority of that post. + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 10:01 Promethelax wrote:
Though Harry has played so far with his pants squarely atop his head I feel that this is totally in line with his town meta, essentially I find his posting scummy and will be watching him but am hesitant to vote into him because his play is simply bad and, as any coach will tell you, bad play is a dumb-tell not a scum tell.
The player I have the most concern with right now is Golbat, as I said earlier making a promise and not following through is an anti-town behavior. Not simply bad play but anti-town. This allows for a player to get off the hook of suspicion because they have promised to do work to help town but also keeps them from having to put their reads into the thread which allows a scum player to stay neutral about people until they can let a townie make the case.
Until he posts his 'cases' my ##Vote will be on Golbat In my skimming I must have filled in the second paragraph with the information from his previous post where he said that it was "neither a scum or a town tell." At that point I was feeling so clever that I'd discovered this "brilliant new case" that I didn't take the time to make sure I had the facts straight. Confirmation biases abound! Sorry for misrepresenting you Prom. I'll also have to keep in mind that just because something can be considered scummy behaviour doesn't mean that it is. That being said, I would like to see Prom's thoughts more when he responds to other peoples' posts. It feels to me like you are trying to encourage discussion, but are letting others do the talking for the most part. When I finally read it, your reasoning for Golbat was great, and I'd like to read more. I have a quick question: In general is it better to spoiler quotes or leave them visible? I've seen both, so I'm not sure of the protocol.
I'm glad to see that you have seen the light.
I generally leave them, some people spoiler them. Personal preference.
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iamperfection is playing in a different way than he played as scum, in XIX where we were scum together he was very lurky and in general refused to stick his neck out. Since he has decided to be more open this game and put himself out there I would prefer to wait in his lynch I don't feel that he should be the target of this lynch, if his behaviour changes drastically in the later game we will have more information on him.
I am still very concerned about Golbat, he has given himself three excuses for not having the cases he promised:
first: On August 07 2012 06:37 Golbat wrote:
Hey guys, just got back. In the process of writing my cases. I'm thinking i'm only going to do two for now, cause i'm at a friend's house and I don't want to be in the corner playing mafia all night.
at about the time he promised us the cases.
Second:On August 07 2012 08:38 Golbat wrote:
Sorry, my friend decided to make me play quake with him, so the cases are now forthcoming.
two hours later
third:On August 07 2012 11:34 Golbat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 11:19 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Lvdr - I appreciate your enthusiasm in the scumhunt, but you currently suspect about half of the players in the game so far. Perhaps you can narrow down your reads? I'm sure some players must seem more scummy to you than others.
@ ShadySands - Love the case and it's completely in-line with my suspicions earlier in the game. While I'm highly suspicious of Synystyr, I want to see more of his posting before I cast my vote. If he continues to ignore the questions I posed to him earlier, I will vote him tomorrow.
@ Golbat - What happened to your case against the 2nd player? Given that I was already casting heavy suspicion againt Synystyr, I was expecting a bit more than that out of you after such a build up. Drunk. If I attempted it, it would not be pretty. Syn is the person i'm looking at the most, so I don't see a need to push it out right now. I may have gotten a bit ahead of myself with 2-3 cases in 8 hours so early in the game. it'll get here when it gets here.
about three hours later.
And the one case he did post was on a guy who was already under suspicion. His actions lead me to believe that he is in fact a scummy player trying to get out of posting promised cases because he does not want to be forced into a position of having strong reads at the beginning of the game as such he will retain my vote.
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/in again
what the fuck. So confused by Harry, well played.
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On August 08 2012 02:50 Shady Sands wrote:
The whole scum strategy was to push Syn and Prom as lynches, and hopefully get Prom to wagon Syn hard, so we could set Prom up as the D2 mislynch.
sucks for you guys, Syn seemed dumb not scum.
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On August 09 2012 01:09 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 11:22 Golbat wrote:On August 08 2012 10:51 Blazinghand wrote:
The details are hidden in my previous post. You get +1 pets if you crack the gopher Marv and iamperfection were playing strip trivial pursuit, and instead of take off his socks Marv told iamperfection Hapahauli's alignment. prplhz found out about this (because he was creeping on them through a hole in the wall) and immediately cancelled the game. GG Marv, next time just wear two pairs of socks. It's really Marv's problem he couldn't remember the name of the hair consulting firm to the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles (Vidal Sassoon).
Did you know that off the top of your head...?
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Hey all, sorry for my late start. I was at work when we began and passed out when I came home.
my gut feeling is that lvdr is playing too dumb to be scum but after Harry's stellar scum play in XXIII.O (hah, see what I did there) I have to leave him as a null to slightly scummy read.
I do have to say that Gonzaw considers drunk posting to be a town characteristic though it has been proven to be a scum one as well at least once (by me, XIX). That makes the drunk posts null in my eyes.
I'm doing my best to catch up read and re-read. I already have one crazy connection theory which is too dumb to post so good news on that front.
I really don't understand posting a town read this early and it feels somewhat scummy to me, optimal play is to post scum reads and cases to go with them, town reads come about by way of elimination or as a hard defense of someone on the chopping block who you feel is a townie. A town read a few hours into a day seems like a bad play from someone who has just proved themselves to be a good player, as such I cast a FoS upon Harry and a lesser one on lvdr for his abysmally shitty posting thus far. Shape up if you are town, if not feel free to keep on trucking as you are.
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On August 10 2012 03:57 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 03:29 Promethelax wrote:
I'm doing my best to catch up read and re-read. I already have one crazy connection theory which is too dumb to post so good news on that front.
Dont be a tease you are among friends. Also what do you think about lvdr making the statement about them either being both town or both scum specifically what do you think of that specefic comment. Also i will be quite honest with you. From my previous interactions with you i thought coming into this game that you would be very active your tone has come across to me as wierd. Even though we were scum together in our previous game i still expected you to be a leading force among the town regardless. You came across to me as a very thoughtful player so im just take aback somewhat by your whole approach. Do you have a reason for this?
Seriously too dumb to talk about, it involves two flips. Here it is though. Sorry about the wild stupidity of it but you asked about the comment it came from.
I think that the comment
On August 09 2012 11:06 Lvdr wrote:
Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?
is seriously dumb (if lvdr is town, or if lvdr is scum and both yh and Hapa share an alignment), it assumes that townies are aware of each others alignments, if he had said masons or scum there might have been a townie thought behind the statement. My guess is that lvdr is trying to cover all the options but he could be town or scum doing that so that after one of the two flips he can say 'oooh I told you so, x was green/red so y must be as well' which, if lvdr is scum means that one of those two is scum and the other is town. Since this would have outed two members of the scum team on D1 I have a hard time believing this to be the case and it is a slight townie point in lvdr's favour.
I guess I'm playing worse as either alignment. I'm going to try to be more active and more thoughtful and provide good leadership for the town. It is my goal to be NK'd in this game, whether we win or lose I'll count getting NK'd as a victory in my own books. Also, seriously that was my first post getting into the game late so...no, I don't have a reason (unless we are talking about XXIII.O, in which case also no).
lvdr: I'd like to see your breakdown of YH's town read. It provides me with an understanding of your thought process which so far I don't have. I'd like to have an understanding of your case building and analytical skills.
I am suspicious of Dandel's play thus far:
He started by skating over the policy discussion, which is fair since we all just started a game together. He also suggests a silly policy lynch and doesn't give us a read or an opinion.
Okay, first post. Just had to post. Whatever.
But almost 24 hours later he comes back into the thread to say:
On August 10 2012 04:07 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
That's assuming he said the truth. And you should never just assume that.
which is basic advice to a newb that we could all give. He hasn't given the thread anything and was so excited before hand. (Look at all of his posts between game 23a and 23b, I am forced to think that something changed and so his excitement died down, I read this as a scum tell and will be watching Dandel closely.
What is the deadline? I haven't figured out how much my work schedule is going to screw me this game
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I'm going to continue to read the thread and try to find other things and people which I believe are suspicious. As you should all know by now I'm not a big fan of lynching lurkers. I think we should lynch scummy players, if the lurkyness of a player adds to their scummyness it should of course be included see my mini case on Dandel above.
We should make sure to lynch someone who seems scummy and we should make sure to get people to get their opinions out on the candidates early, we need more information earlier.
on that note: I didn't see anything in the OP about encryption, what are your rules on it? I don't want to break the game if you don't allow it.
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On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:51 Promethelax wrote:I am suspicious of Dandel's play thus far: He started by skating over the policy discussion, which is fair since we all just started a game together. He also suggests a silly policy lynch and doesn't give us a read or an opinion. Okay, first post. Just had to post. Whatever. But almost 24 hours later he comes back into the thread to say: On August 10 2012 04:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
That's assuming he said the truth. And you should never just assume that. which is basic advice to a newb that we could all give. He hasn't given the thread anything and was so excited before hand. (Look at all of his posts between game 23a and 23b, I am forced to think that something changed and so his excitement died down, I read this as a scum tell and will be watching Dandel closely. Just to clarify this shit, "basic advice to a newb" is the point of this. It's called "Newbie Mafia", you know? I'd like for you to point out the exact syllable that's "scummy" about it. Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start) I'd like to know the reason why I'm so far above them, because I'm pretty sure you don't have one. Between YourHarry being YourHarry, mkfuba attacking YourHarry for being YourHarry, Lvdr being lvdr, mkfuba attacking lvdr for being lvdr, and the new people doing blanket statements about policy, I was yet unable to find anything I felt I could post on. That's my reason.
Right, and we're all newbs so why give basci advice that you know when he surely knows it too? What was scummy was that you chose to say something so neutral after being gone for 24 hours. You left, came back and thought to yourself 'what would improve this thread? Ahh, basic advice'
You are scummier than them because SS hadn't posted, I don't know anything about Axero, GK had said somethings which had opinions in them (though not as many as I would like) and Sideni is the same as he was before as town. You are the one who was worth pointing out.
Okay seriously? You mentioned a quarter of the players in this game doing something which could be discussed and said you had nothing to discuss. What the fuck?
SS and Dandel: don't give me this shit. Discuss the game and the players, we essentially got a free meta test day with D1.0 so we are starting from a better position than we were in on the first day one. I, for one, see more from this day than the one before it.
Hapa: I'm glad you are here so that I'll have someone to talk to. Although given that you and I are both known for active scum play I won't be able to get reads out of your activity I look forward to getting reads from your play. What is your opinion of Dandel?
Imperfection: unless you are scum you are doing this wrong. I like you a lot but this play isn't good, if you wanted me to make a case well good I did, how did your opinion change? You wanted something from lvdr, YH, Mkfuba and half the other players in this game too. But you aren't changing your opinion after they post more. Why so free with your FoS? And why so restrained in taking it back? I'm all for a wide net but you need to use it right.
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