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On August 07 2012 15:04 Lvdr wrote:
I didn't flip-flop on golbat, I wrote the case because the more obvious ones were taken. At the end of the case I actually point my FOS at synyster.
My initial suspicion of YH has been almost universally shared. However, given the meta-game information that has come out and his prominence, YH seems more incompetent than sinister.
My generally widespread suspicion has been in order to elicit as much discussion as possible.
This struck me as odd in the first place: Why would you forgo posting additional reads just because the good ones are "taken"?
Did you have nothing else to add? Then why would you even consider a case you YourHarry? I know I'm the guy that made the YourHarry "case" (I don't even consider what I wrote a case, I just said he was playing scummy/confusing. And a large portion of that was that I misread his filter, which was a moronic mistake on my part - see my previous post), but really, that one wasn't even strong enough to convince MYSELF to vote for him. So I am curious what your case would have been.
To me, it seems weird to not post additional reads on a case, if you have them. Did you want to avoid looking like a bandwagoner? Why? That only makes you look like you're scared of getting lynched.
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Okay, here's how I will proceed:
##Vote Synystyr
If you want me to unvote you, post your reads. Your top scum reads, town reads, book reads, EVERYTHING.
So far you have not taken a stance on anything out of your own ambition, you just answered me when I directly asked you about Golbat. So since it seems like we have to drag things out of you by force, I will try to do just that.
I am yet undecided if I consider you scum or not, but if you don't show even a hint of initiative, I will make my stance clear.
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How did that happen lol?
Anywhooo /in again
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Also, I am sad now, those mafia were catchable Q.Q
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On August 08 2012 02:36 Shady Sands wrote:
Are we going to see a full list of roles from the last game or not?
It's in prplz' post?
+ Show Spoiler +
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On August 08 2012 02:40 Blazinghand wrote:
YH actually played perfectly to his town meta, that wily fox.
kamikaze scum is best scum?
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On August 08 2012 02:45 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 02:42 mkfuba07 wrote:/in~ Would you mind explaining my slip(s) to me? I felt that each of my reads was acceptable given the concerns I presented, so I would guess that the slip was part of the concerns themselves. I thought it was pretty well constructed  3 scum, 4 reads It's just a very scummy post - you mention you want to "narrow down your reads" like I suggested, then immediately post multiple suspicions. You're "ordering players by scumminess" instead of catching mafia.
I did that too though.
(just with actual scum on top of the list, suck it "town meta")
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On August 08 2012 02:46 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 02:43 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 08 2012 02:40 Blazinghand wrote:
YH actually played perfectly to his town meta, that wily fox. kamikaze scum is best scum? Its not that. Its just that he played EXACTLY the way he did in XXI, in which he got lynched for it. People that were in that game with him would see that he was playing the same way, aka still a "bad townie" rather than a scum. It might night have worked forever, but I was certainly reading town on him this early as an outsider.
Yeah but if I didn't read his past game, I would have totally pushed for a lynch... Risky business
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On August 08 2012 03:02 TolEranceNA wrote:
I sincerely apologize for my lack of activity in the past 24 hours, as for now, i will try my hardest to start being a useful and active town member.
If you feel that I am lynch worthy, please share your opinion, as for my inactivity is due to my work schedule and my terrible memory!
Seize the day! (1st Mafia game!)
##Vote ToleranceNA
Doesnt read thread
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If there is anything, could the coaches say if there were some obvious tells, or opportunities to apply pressure were missed by town?
I know it was barely 2 days, so I don't actually expect anything big to be in there, but just in case, I'd like to know
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On August 08 2012 03:22 Sideni wrote:
I want to know, how did iamperfection learn about Hapa's role ?
Blazinghand has nothing to do with it.
It was probably the spacemonkeys
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I think it's DnD lore
Or something in that direction
€ Also, I saw you post before you edited it. YOU CANNOT ESCAPE
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As for policy, I'd like to policy-lynch YourHarry. I call it the "YourHarry-lynch-policy". The goal is to lynch YourHarry.
As for scumhunting, I learned that if YourHarry plays like scum, he is scum. Other than that, I was feeling pretty good about our chances. I think we would've had it easily after the lurkers/no-content-posters were gone, one way or the other. At least, if it went my way.
I don't really think we neeeeeeeeeeed to go over too much of the policy stuff. Just get the thoughts from the 3 new guys (Axero, Kronen, Goodkarma). Anybody else can add what they want to add, but the policy shit should be in their filters already.
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On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
That's assuming he said the truth.
And you should never just assume that.
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I know I look like a lurker, and that it doesn't fit my "meta"
I just don't know what to say...
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On August 10 2012 04:51 Promethelax wrote:I am suspicious of Dandel's play thus far: He started by skating over the policy discussion, which is fair since we all just started a game together. He also suggests a silly policy lynch and doesn't give us a read or an opinion. Okay, first post. Just had to post. Whatever. But almost 24 hours later he comes back into the thread to say: Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote:
I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that.
Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was.
That's assuming he said the truth. And you should never just assume that. which is basic advice to a newb that we could all give. He hasn't given the thread anything and was so excited before hand. (Look at all of his posts between game 23a and 23b, I am forced to think that something changed and so his excitement died down, I read this as a scum tell and will be watching Dandel closely.
Just to clarify this shit, "basic advice to a newb" is the point of this. It's called "Newbie Mafia", you know? I'd like for you to point out the exact syllable that's "scummy" about it.
Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start)
I'd like to know the reason why I'm so far above them, because I'm pretty sure you don't have one.
Between YourHarry being YourHarry, mkfuba attacking YourHarry for being YourHarry, Lvdr being lvdr, mkfuba attacking lvdr for being lvdr, and the new people doing blanket statements about policy, I was yet unable to find anything I felt I could post on. That's my reason.
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On August 10 2012 05:37 iamperfection wrote:
Do you think we should still policy lynch yourharry?
I was only 50% serious about that.
So no, but if no better targets come up on day 1, I'll contemplate it again.
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On August 10 2012 06:10 Sideni wrote:Arg ... Ok, looks like my cote didn't work REPOSTAlright, finally read through all the posts since I went to bed yesterday ! :D
@Dandel Ion : Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start) I have to make it clear ... As I said in XXIII.O, I'm working from 5am to 1pm every day. From the time I go to bed and the time I come back from work (do not forget that I do have a life outside of the Internet. i.e. I went to a music school today to get lessons ! :D) there's a lot of time for people to post and you have to remember, I'm a slow reader  Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 09:06 Sideni wrote:
I want to make a clear statement, I work every day from 5am to 1pm EST.
I looked yesterday (Sunday) to see when was the game starting and it had not begun yet. So, I went to bed (when you work this early, you have to sleep xD)
I came back today from work, all pumped up about starting my first game of forum mafia (I've only played the one on StarCraft) and I saw that I had 7 pages to read of English (I'm a slow reader in French, just imagine in English xD) I don't know if it's just that you forgot (I have to give it to you, it's from my first post in the game) or if you're trying to skip over that detail just to have one more name on your lurking list. =/ I have to tell you that it makes me a bit suspicious that you didn't know I was at work... However, I'm sure I'll forget (as you perhaps did) that Hapa is going on a trip for his marriage ! (Can't believe you fell for that trap(marriage) Hapa  ) Regarding the case of mkfuba :Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)... However, I felt that it was kinda early to get a case going, not that it's a bad thing, but it's quite early. An early case and an early vote, could be suspicious to my eyes, but I don't have anything to make a read from you ! At the same time of posting, I want to ask what means EBWOP :D Also, note for @YourHarry : Hi there, nothing personal, it just highly irritates me to see, in your posts, "Hapha" instead of "Hapa" ... Could you please take care of that just for me ? :D It would be so kind of you :D
EBWOP = Edit By Way Of Post
Basically "edit:", just in another post, since you're not allowed to edit in mafia.
Shit I just explained something, sorry Promethelax, I'll never do it again
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On August 10 2012 07:32 Sideni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 06:51 Lvdr wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)... I find this passage by Sideni somewhat scummy. Sideni claims a weak command of english multiple times, but is still comfortable bandwagoning mkfuba's argument with a semantic argument. As i said last game, scum hate making their own cases, and Sideni's is pretty fluffy. FOS Sideni Concerning my bad English : When I say that you have to forgive me if I don't master English that well, I'm just saying that I may sometimes make a mistake with grammar or a vocabular one. I may also not use the appropriate words. However, I am able to translate from English to French and the quote I'm referring to can be read that way : "Hapa et YH sont mafias ou civils ?" You have to understand that translating from word to word, I can easily say that I would have said something a specific way... Concerning the fact that I didn't make my own case : Why would I make a second case about yourself if mkfuba already made one ? Mostly when I have nothing to add to it... If something convinces me, I'll tell you what about it convinces me ... Finally, you say that I'm fluffy (you don't give a specific example and I don't mind). However, just imagine if I would have made my own case about yourself. The exact same thing that our buddy mkfuba said ! It would be even more fluffy ! Sometimes, even if you're town, it's just better to keep yourself quiet if you have nothing to add (it just creates confusion) Your suspicions about myself make me even more suspicious... Making this post, ou just act like I'm an easy target and because I think you're suspicious, you turn against me (which is, in my opinion, somewhat of a way a scum would act) I have to call it : FOS lvdr
Okay here's the thing I don't get (afair lvdr really stood out with that reasoning in game 0.5 - he was town that game though):
If you're (vanilla) town, why would you be concerned with being second on a case?
You should not be scared of getting lynched, like, ever. People might accuse you of bandwagoning - so what?
Once you flip green, it's just more evidence against them.
I understand that tunneling a single person too hard would be bad, but two people is not too much by any stretch of the imagination.
Is my mentality just wrong here?
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On August 10 2012 08:28 Sideni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 07:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
If you're (vanilla) town, why would you be concerned with being second on a case?
Is my mentality just wrong here? Well, I either answer to his post saying that I don't even care defending myself or I explain myself (just as I did) or I just don't answer... What is the smartest choice in your opinion ? I would gladly sacrifice myself to turn green to reveal that he's suspicious. However, I don't think it's smart If I just say that I don't care, it just feels to me that I don't pay attention to all details =/ If I don't answer, I'm being a lurker and this is bad for my party ! Gotta keep talking and if the talking can lead to something, then it's perfect ! :D So, last choice, I decided to explain myself. There's nothing wrong about explaining yourself ever !
I think you misunderstood a little... I'm saying you shouldn't hold back anything just because you're concerned how it'd reflect on you.
I did not suggest you go and commit suicide.
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