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@Ange
Yes, I am leaning towards a scum Jingle for the same reasons. His shift his FOS towards me seems like a desperation move to shift the focus away from himself. I think even a townie Jingle would be more careful when he suggest a new lynch, as the town's goal is to lynch scum, not just to survive.
I went through aRyu's filter once and did not come out with anything else that has not been said about him already. I think his lurkiness is generally anti-town, so I did not put it in my post.
@aRyu
I went through the filter again and I thought I should share something I found. It is a bit WIFOM:
+ Show Spoiler +aRyuujin/MrMedic
Suspecting me-Smart I did not yet provide posts Either i'm scum or A really bad Town. Mr Medic comes to mind For these reasons too Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 11:53 MrMedic wrote:
Ok, I am sorry about all these little posts I am doing. I am new to the game and am kinda reluctant to do a big first post but I will try now since everyone is telling me to post something worth while (I agree also).
First, I agree with Darthpunk for a variety of reasons. The largest reason in all of this is that he is constantly saying contradictions with him self. Saying that we should lynch Mr K in his third option and he says this would be great but in the other options while saying this he says we might ruin the town more or it will be bad for the town. But the thing that most strikes me is that he says number 2 is the least probable but he says in his third option that we should lynch him now. But he says at the end we shouldn't lynch him right now. What this really shows is that he is trying to force the option one on too our minds and make us think that he just trying to take one for the team. So in conclusion, he is on top of showing what option he wants us to do. Also, he only shows the options of killing him and as a result would not be a big deal or be a good thing and even though he tress to show the negativity of the situation in actuality he steers you away from it and making it seem like a positive outcome no matter what happens. His first content post he looks he's saying stuff showing fallacies He's bandwagoning and his analysis makes little sense if you understand how mordanis was posting those were 3 what-ifs false contribution and his confusing posts lead me to believe that he's either a bad town, or a mafioso backup vote's on him
Here seems like aRyu is kicking MrMedic(Jingle's predecessor) out for sheeping on DP. Ignoring WIFOM, it is unlikely scum aRyu and scum MrMedic (now Jingle) interacts publicly in such a manner in such an early stage. I would say if one of them is scum, the other is kind of cleared. I am not saying both can't be town (or with WIFOM, scum), but it won't make sense if both are town, unless there is some ballsy bussing maneuver going on in day 3.
@DarthPunk
The conclusion I made above convinced me DarthPunk is the potential last scum, given that no bussing occurred. I went through his huge filter and was hoping to find one slip that can nail him, and have yet to find anything substantial. His blatant defences on Zorkmid is definitely scum motivated, and I know I also "defended" zorkmid, I hope you all see that I have been consistent with defending people who I thought was being called out for the wrong reasons.
I would like to put my vote on VOTE## JingleHell, and FOS## DarthPunk. I believe we got this in the bag 
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@Shady
I started writing my case not long ago. But if you want to make the final decision, I will keep my vote on JH, but is fine with changing it to DP. Both are the scums in my eyes and it does not matter who gets lynched first.
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I am back from a long day. I thought Jingle is certainly getting lynched the last time I post, so I did not sneak out to check on this thread during work today. In my eyes, he is as close as to scum as it can get without flipping.
@aRyu
It did not occur to me that I am putting myself in a position to lynch you once Jingle flips town. In fact, I intend to use that as a basis to come out with a Jingle/DarthPunk scenario. If the remaining scums are in fact, in all four of us who voted for Mordanis before changing votes, and if both you and Jingle are townies, then it means me and Darth Punk are the scums. This won’t make sense, unless there is a third mafia hiding among the early Zork votes.
If you think I am using this to set up a lynch on you, I am not, and I apologize if it came out that way. I don’t think there is a chance for Jingle to flip town at this point in time.
@Jingle
His recent post has somewhat improved; he stopped the tunnelling thing and moved on to OMGUS town. (lol) There are no follow up to my case, and no follow up to Good Karma’s either. However, his reaction to DP’s scum slip seems very believable, and the counter-vote seems to give him huge townie points. It could be another attempt to “seems pro town” by “catching” DP, as DP has gained quite a lot of FOS-momentum at that point. + Show Spoiler +WIFOM: Could it be scums trying to sacrifice another scummate so the last one can gain a more advantages spot? I think this is very unlikely, but no entirely impossible.
@DarthPunk
I said I could not find any scummy things to penalize him in his huge filter, how eager is he to prove me wrong. I am sure many has caught and mentioned his scum slip ever since he started defending himself. (Oh the irony) Even Jingle himself talks about his “slip”. I would like to know, why Jingle gives you a townie vibe, other than that you yourself is getting tunnelled right now? I would also like to add that that was posted before you were tunnelled, so any other reasons? No?
Also, this:
If shady votes for me I will vote for myself etc
Well, in this case, if you are a town, you are allowing town to mislynch you-an anti-town play. If you are a scum, then LOL. Please tell me this is not a slip? If you intend to buy “townie points” with this, then you failed miserably. Town wants to lynch scum, not martyr himself to prove he is town.
I am fine with voting any of these two players, but I will keep my vote on Jingle for the moment. I think we got both scums.
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Hey there, nice kill. Unless we fuck up badly, I pretty sure we got this in the bag already
GG DarthPunk.
Will lightly defend Jingle's case, will be rushing to the office after this.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 08:54 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:35 alan133 wrote:In all seriousness, mind posting something that is other than: + Show Spoiler +Target's latest defence against No! You did not explain a town motive! I vote you ##v0t3 example1over a thousand times? This makes me look suspicious, apparently. But, minutes later... Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 17:15 alan133 wrote:Defends Zork lightly. LinkI thought Zork's angry reaction was a town trait. I made my stance on him based on that. It's ok from Zork.
One was stating you were tunnelling on Ange based on a bizarre over and over again, without accepting any of her defence. You may argue that she has not answered your "town motivation" question, but the scenario was already far fetched (her trying to frame you) and you even proceed to vote for her. Also, you voted for Mordanis just because Ange was voting for Zorkmid. I am not repeating your case here, but this is much scummier than just being "angry".
Anyway, even if you get me lynched, you would still have a long way to go, and seeing you're a replacement and all, why don't you concede instead?
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Hey there, looks like I am going to post some defences.
@Ange
1. Pushing for a mislynch while soft-defending the lynch candidate.
There is no defences for this, I indeed pushed for a mislynch on Promethelax and Mordanis, and that's it. My soft-defending "lynch candidates" were those in my eyes were bad case, or cases that I do not agree with. For instances, Mordanis' early cases for voting Kei, Jingle's tunneling on you and so on/fourth.
2. Subtly implying that his scum buddy is not as scummy as the other lynch candidate and therefore should not be voted first.
And many others when there is a list of lynch candidates. I have explained this before.
3. Bussing his scum buddy when all hopes are lost to survive the next lynch himself.
If you think my stance on DarthPunk was wish-washy, I do hope you actually followed my case against him WAY before the one that I said I will keep my vote on Jingle. I logically deduced DarthPunk must be scum, based on one single post on aRyujin's filter: he was kicking MrMedic out way early in the cycle, and the other Mordanis vote was either me or DarthPunk. I don't know saying: "Jingle and DarthPunk are the two scum. Lynch either of them is fine by me."
@Shady
I don't know what is with the claim medic thing or die, because I am not. If you want to waste a lynch on me, it is fine, but the game does not end there.
I will be busy for the day, will be replying to any more cases against me much later, and add my own. I am not, but if you all are set to lynch me, please look at the other scenarios where I am not the scum. The game will go on after I flip.
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EBWOP:
I don't know how by saying: "Jingle and DarthPunk are the two scum. Lynch either of them is fine by me."is wishy-washy
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I don't think there's a way out of today's lynch, and given that many post, I think I should concede. I am NOT a scum.
@Ange
So I was talking about you trying to push the Jingle lynch while stating that DarthPunk should be scum but is not more scummy than Jingle.
Look at the time of the post. I have clearly stated I could not find anything any particular scumslip going through his (kind of) huge filter at that point in time. If he is scum, there should be one slip or two given his bold play. I did mention the countless times of him trying to defend Zorkmid, which I think is enough based on my logic below:
You claim that through logical conclusion you deduced that DarthPunk had to be the last scum. Please tell me how?
I thought I explained it cleared enough. I considered both remaining scum must be in the Mordanis lynch group. This is based on the vote timing of all players who voted for Mordanis prior to Shady's vote switch.
Scum group: Me, DP, Jingle, aRyu
Condition: Me is not scum. Jingle and aRyu can't both be scum.
Possible outcome: Jingle/Darth or aRyu/Darth
I don't know why it is so hard to follow, perhaps I should worded it more clearly. Also, if you're asking me why if I think Darth was 100% scum but did not switch votes to him, my answer: I think Jingle's play is very scummy and is almost certain to flip scum.
About you giving Jingle some town cred and accusing DarthPunk in the same post as confirming that your vote stays on Jingle
Me giving Jingle "town credit" was a sarcastic statement. Perhaps I should include a sarcastic tag when I say something like "Jingle's recent play is gain him more townie credit when he switched away from mindlessly tunnelling someone to OMGUS-ing sheeping townies when he was called out for not defending himself"
If you think I intentionally misunderstood your arguments against me, I am not. If you have any more problem with me just say it, but I suggest you start looking at someone else since you said everyone else in your scum list died or is a "strong" townie. Given my condition I doubt any amount of defence will prevent my lynch.
@Others
I am not going to spend too much time defending myself. I have put myself in a bad position. Mind that everytime I come back to the thread there're always other cases already. If you think I never wrote any substantial case, I am disappointed. I consciously look for points that has not been brought up before and put them on the table, and weight accordingly. These posts took me hours to write and people IGNORE it entirely, and just to come back and say they are wishy-washy and unsubstantial or generally, is meaningless.
@The last scum
Something does not add up. I seriously don't understand what is happening right now, if anyone wants to attack me more, try not to, but mind you you are only attacking a set-to-be-lynched townie. I could not find any scum reads, I couldn't make sense of the whole Mordanis/Darth Punk lynch situation. I looked at Ange's filter and she was one of them who started the Zork train. I looked at Karma and he can easily tip the balance towards a Mordanis lynch safely if he wishes to. I look at Jingle and aRyu and I cannot say I don't recognize them to be the main driving force behind DarthPunk's lynch, and Obvious, who is Obviously dead, and lastly Shady, who is a confirmed townie.
I see that all evidence is pointing towards me to be the last scum, hell, I would have voted myself if I am not myself. I hope you guys can see past that in the case that I flip town, and don't waste your discussion on how to cook me for dinner.
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GG town,
I spent 3 hours writing the summary of the game from my PoV, and the my browser crashed ._.
I couldn't spend another 3 hours on this, so I am going to address lightly what I said.
My Strategy
- Play as pro-town as possible
- Provide fair analysis
- Say only things that I can back them up with a townie motivation
Day 1
I defended Golbat hoping to gain some towncred, and even if they see through this, I had good reasons to defend him: Why would scum Golbat reconsider his vote when so many others has voted for the same person?
Night 1
Picked Kei for kill, picked non to block. No block reasons being there is no clear target to block, and I don't want town to know a role blocker exist. Kill Kei: reasons being there is some "blue" signs, and safe kill (so we thought): not particularly active, not particularly townie in our eyes.
Suggested look at the Golbat vote. Little information to get from there. Mordanis correct call that one or even two scums aren't behind the lynch.
Suggested be careful what to post at night. Mistake by me. Too townie for my own good, could have make use of bad reads.
Posted small case on Kei. Reasons being: show some active "scum hunting" while freeing myself up to push for other people based on the situation in day 2. "My main fos in night 1 died  "
Reread filter, thinks Zork scummy, asked if disinterested in playing and if we can bus, got strongly retaliated.
@Zork
Did not meant to be hash, sincerely thought you were disinterested or not free. Thought can lift your burden and we can gain some advantage from it, not a "OMGUS uninstall game plz".
Day 2
Kei saved. Knew it was Medic save. No one RB-ed. Suggest hunt for medic in Scum QT. Made use of my "small case" on Kei to try to draw medic out. No one else paid attention to Kei so was not very successful.
Identified Mordanis and Promethelax as potential medics. Former due to the only one who paid attention to Kei day 1, later because of his buddying up Kei. DP initiated the PrometheWagon, succeed.
Would like to see the reason for buddying up Kei:
I have an explanation for the buddying thing that you are unhappy with that I will reveal before the end of the night cycle. It has a good motivation and I promise town that I will explain it before the end of n2.
Could be strong townie reads, interested to see why.
Night 2
Picked Kei block Mordanis:
Kill because 4 reasons:
- blue sign
- safe kill (no two saves on same person in a row)
- Kill cleared town in case Medic claimed
- Thought could lead a lynch on Obvious (but we failed to follow through)
Block was not a decision by me. Told DP to make the decision for me, probably to block "potential medic".
Positioned into pushing Shady Sands.
Jingle joins replacing MrMedic. Really followed NMM XXI, sincerely admired play, good logical-analytical skills. Awesome pressuring skills. Knew about the straw man bussing potential. Thought could make use of, but didn't plan to keep you alive for long.
Day 3
Kei dies, clears Shady Sands, not a big fan of the outcome. Jump on Mordanis bandwagon, interrupted by Ange's Zorkwagon. Suggested to bus at 4 vs 4 votes. Reasons being: Thinks that Zork's case overwhelms Mordanis' case. Momentum is on Zork's lynch, but if bus here, on the surface, Alan secured a Zork lynch, could have bussed with more arguments against Zork I collected on day 1. Massive town credit.
However, plan not well received. Zork was not here. DP thinks Zork can be saved. Scrapped my plan, tried to save zork. Accidentally brought my frustration into the post. Thought it was a bit careless, but could have make excuses: "Was not only mad at Zork, but also all the lurkers, and people don't look at my case. Also mad at Jingle for silly tunnelling"
Distracted Jingle, Jingle thought no one understands the word motivation. Planned to further provoke Jingle. Wanted to counter Jingle's post with "Not everything can be explained by a motivation. I accidentally ran over an elephant. I feel sorry for elephant, but I don't have the "motivation" to kill said elephant". Scrapped it last second because Jingle voted for Mordanis. Bad play from me. Should have pressured Jingle. Discredit Jingle, easier lynch. Had potential to swing the Zork lynch to Jingle lynch
Asked Zorkmid to claim medic. Sincere request to Zork so he can clear himself, or at least bring down medic with him, not the silly "obvious fake claim" to switch vote "less scummy-ly" that people thinks. Half-assed attempt by Zork, everyone knows how it went.
Night 3
DP lost motivation. So is Alan. Communication broke down.
Kill Mordanis role blocked Jingle
- Kill because Mordanis looks like medic.
- Kill because Mordanis knew about role blocker
Block for no particular reason. Thought Jingle could be medic, but he will certainly say something about it.
Day 4
Mordanis flips VT.
Jingle brought attention by talking about role blocker. Townie distrust him. Everyone voted for him. Thought case set. Positioned myself to get aRyu lynched next day, but will forced to vote for DP if people are after him. aRyu read my plan perfectly, as with any scum plan I had I can rub it off with townie explanation, but ground is shrinking.
Missed DarthPunk's post about defending Jingle and pushing on GoodKarma. Huge mistake by me for missing it. Bad decision by DarthPunk. - Everyone but scums thinks Jingle is scum-100% townie thinks Jingle is scum
- Lose position to push Jingle if other candidates were brought up
- Distant himself from this mislynch means distant himself from the crowd, hence exposing himself
@DarthPunk
Thought you played a good game. Bet no one really suspect you among the 4 lynch candidate prior to slip. Feel bad for you, you were playing really well but had to fall because of one single mistake.
Jingle reacted immediately. Although given up on the game, caught DP pants down. Instant vote on DP, huge town credit, no way to call bus. aRyu burst into Godlike posting mode. Strong analytical posts on DP. No way to refute. One of the main lynching force behind DP
Both came out with massive town credit after DP flips.
Night 4/ Day 5
Killed Obvious, blocks no one. No particular reason, almost given up.
Meant to end my last post with a case, looked through filter, could not attack anyone. Everyone is good at establishing themselves as townie, even the supposedly gave up Jingle can't be accused without involving WIFOM. Town could afford another mislynch, so even if with good case I would most probably be lynched. Dug a hole and stuck my head inside. Sorry for giving up so early, could be more entertaining.
Summary
Sorry for this shorten version of what is supposed to be my long summary post. Addressed everyone at one point or another in the original post that disappeared along with my browser crashing. Please bear with grammatical error and spelling errors 
Things I learnt
- Hard to be pro-town as scum. Scum buddies to cover, confirmation bias
- Pro-town scum not good play. Too defensive, not enough distraction for town
- Bussing is a huge investment. If I knew this in NMM XVII I could have avoided focusing on confirmed townie in that game.
Again, GG all, nice playing with you all.
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