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On August 10 2012 10:59 talismania wrote: So I don't see anything about this in the rules anywhere:
Vote VE. If he is not scum, lynch me tomorrow and I will paypal everyone who voted him 20 USD (after the game so as not to break communication rules).
For the record please disregard this post - I skimmed the rules and missed this. I know it felt wrong but what can I say there's a part of me that always looks for ways to game the system.
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Why I'm town:
(1) Why am I a goon?
Mafia got to pick their own roles. Look at the players left in this game. Imagine that I am scum. What other three players in this game, on my scum team, would end up with mason (assuming there are two scum masons) and godfather? Toad? VE? Toad obviously isn't scum with me. Neither is VE. Hassy? The only thing Hassy has done is point out suspicious things I've done. So what - GF goes to a lurky new guy over me? I love the mason role. I don't know for sure if I would have taken it as scum because it is kind of fraught with peril but I for sure would have taken GF over goon and who else in this game could claim as much?
Why, if I'm a goon, do behave like this? So actively, playing exactly to my town meta. Why do I even talk about setup shit if I'm a goon lol. As GF, sure. But goon? No way.
(2) Who the hell are my scumbuddies?
No scum have died yet. Let's look at the remaining players. I'll do this off the top of my head:
VE - wants me lynched. I want him lynched. toad - very publicly vacillated on me. Can't be my scumbuddy or he doesn't bring up this whole stink. zephirdd - called me scum D1. Called me scum N2 (with VE for some reason). Hassybaby - only thing he's talked about is my setup talk and cast suspicion thereon. And I've been very public about not minding him getting lynched either. xsebt - obviously not my scumbuddy count dropula - wants me dead. Voted me D1 before changing, has promoted me to scum-marionette. synystyr - wants me lynched. lazer - no problem voting for me today.
Ok that's all I remember off the top of my head let's look at the remaining filters
hopeless1der - voted me day 1 hier - has called me scum, wanted to lynch me or erandorr D2 BKE - no real stance on me, but I want him checked by the DT and lynched. jinglehell - used to think I was town glasse - no real stance on me that I see. marv - said I was town.
Clearly from this the only conclusion is that my whole scum strategy is to bus all my teammates and get bussed by them. I've done that before, or tried to, in I can't believe it's not themed mini (filter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147&user=32774 ). Compare the activity in those two filters. What happened when I was under duress? I gave up and waited to be lynched. Is that what I'm doing now? This leads us to the next point:
(3) My Meta
I like playing town.
I dislike playing scum.
When I'm town I'm active, when I'm scum I'm inactive. The only scum game I've tried in was Pick Your Poison and I know I'm playing way more actively and aggressively than I ever did in that game (filter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340727&user=32774 ). Other mafia game filters: BangBang2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340480&user=32774.
Compare those to SSB64: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=348072&user=32774 and Bastard 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343892&user=32774
Especially read SSB64. I was town and was mislynched. Toad you should know this better than anyone. Did I give up? Did I ever stop trying? No. I knew I was the only townie who had the game figured out at that point, and I knew it was my job to convince the other townies. They stubbornly refused to listen and I ended up getting lynched, shot, and we lost the game. Of course I was culpable to some degree. How did I get in trouble that game? Toad you know the answer - I speculated (correctly, by the way) about the nature of the setup. Contrast that with I Can't Believe It's Not Themed where I gave up as fast as I could as mafia getting lynched (Mattchew and Dropbear were my scumbuddies for those reading the filter).
(4) N2 Night kills
Why do I, as scum, kill solstice and strongandbig? Both of them were on the same page as I when it came to VE. If I'm scum, then clearly a major part of my plan is to get VE lynched. Why do I make that intentionally harder on myself? I don't. I kill toad in that situation, 100% of the time. I also kill the person whom I believe is the vigilante. Scum picked those two because it suited their purposes (reduced focus on VE) plus they thought it would be funny if they kept picking the targets that I said should be defended. As far as N1 goes, I agree and would have double-stacked sloosh, assuming that's what happened and gambled on there only being one medic or one of them deciding not to protect him.
(5) Why the hell do I do this?
Why am I convinced Xsebt is town DT, instead of scum? Why aren't I arguing against him? Why, instead, did I go out of my way to get toad to post exactly what was in those PMs, because I knew that if it said "Henry Francais" instead of "Henry Francis" then he had to be a DT as only I and BC were privy to that spelling in my PM. I was asking for this very early on today: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=62#1229
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At the end of the day, what is more likely?:
--That I'm a crazy scum who chose goon over godfather, set out to bus all my teammates or be bussed by them, stated who I would be killing every night just for the shits and even risked directing medic protection at who I picked, and have managed to play to my town meta better than I've ever done in my life. (Seriously people just count the number of pages in the filters).
--That I'm a townie miller.
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Ok I messed up earlier when I said there were 17 people alive. Apparently there's only 16 unless I've miscounted again:
1. Hassybaby 2. mrzentor 3. Toadesstern 4. visceraeyes 5. BroodKingEXE 6. talismania 7. lazermonkey 8. Hopeless1der 9. jinglehell 10. zephirdd 11. XsebT 12. Hier 13. Glasse 14. CountDropula 15. Marv 16. Synystyr
So right now it's 11 - 5
Assuming I'm mislynched, that puts us at 10 - 5, then 2 night kills, 8 - 5. That's essentially lylo. Mislynch and you have to pray for a medic save. That means every day a scum has to be lynched.
Upshot: lynch me, likely lose the game. Do what I say, have a fighting chance.
Fellow townies, please take this seriously. Ask me as many questions as you need to. Please take the time to check my meta. Please read my posts thoroughly. I will be as succinct and direct as possible.
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Let's talk about this game.
Scum: you guys know how good of a position you're in. You can win without losing a member.
Town: I don't think it's really set in for most of you how terrible of a position you're in. Let me explain it again.
Right now there are 11 town and 5 scum.
Here's what will probably happen: I'm lynched, jingle and marv are killed at night, toad is still completely wrong the next day and zephirdd gets lynched, GG flawless scum victory. The only real chance is if when I actually do flip miller toad (assuming he's town) actually realizes that he's just been completely wrong about everything in this game and genuinely re-evaluates the situation and sees that VE is the most obviously scummy person in this game. Sidenote: if this doesn't happen people need to look at toad more carefully because I can't imagine him being wrong for that long is weird even for his standards.
Alternate scenarios:
(1) I'm lynched and flip miller, jingle and marv are killed. 8 - 5, lylo. VE or BKE is finally lynched, lazer and toad killed. 6 - 4, lylo. The other of VE or BKE is lynched. 2 other townies killed. 4 - 3, lylo. Count Dropula or Hier gets lynched (depending on what xsebt says), then it will be 3 - 2 the next day. Then 2 - 1. So to say it again,
If I am lynched, town will be at lylo from now until they lose or lynch all five scum in a row*
*Of course, this is barring medic protects. However, the medics should be on xsebt. Scum may attempt to double stack on xsebt, gambling that there's only one medic too, which might reduce the NK. And of course, if there's still vig shots out there then that can accelerate or decelerate the game.
(2) I'm lynched and flip scum. VE and synystyr NK'd I guess? 9 - 4. Not a terrible position but not great either. One mislynch (say, zephirdd) puts it at 6 - 4 and right back to lylo. Also it won't happen because I'm not scum.
(3) VE or hassy gets lynched today and flips scum. 9 - 4 but people actually realize that I was right. I'll probably be NK'd but that's a tricky play for scum given that I do have a red check. If they leave me alive I'll be able to lead at least one other scum lynch, putting town in the advantage. This is the best case scenario. Too bad I don't think you'll be convinced.
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XSEBT IS THE ONLY THING TOWN HAS GOING FOR IT
MEDICS YOU MUST PROTECT XSEBT
The only thing town has in this position is a confirmed DT. No wifom about it. Xsebt is a DT.
Xsebt: you must post your redchecks immediately from now on! You can play completely in the open. Green checks can be reported as well if you like. I recommend checking BKE, hier, glasse, and synystyr.
If we have another DT, please check the same list! I kinda hope we do have another DT, because 3 millers and only 1 DT seems imbalanced.
Other things to think about:
Vig if you still have a shot left for the love of god shoot VE. You should probably not come out in the open until Xsebt is dead. You will be very important in lylo situations.
Toad, please stop being wrong if you're town. If you're scum then you've played really well.
Lazermonkey, hopeless1der: now's the time for you guys to step up your game and assume a town leadership position (again assuming you guys are town but I think you are). Also assuming that jinglehell is indeed NK'd which he probably will be.
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On August 11 2012 02:07 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 01:54 BroodKingEXE wrote:On August 11 2012 01:43 Hopeless1der wrote: I have yet to see a post from xsebt verifying any of this dt business. I can think of a situation where scum could conceivably come across the mis-spelt name through other roles referring to his character.
Considering Xsebt might have had a scum read on talis, he's been surprisingly quiet about it. I have a really hard time buying into this lynch with one pm worth of evidence. I have a town read on talis based on his responses to the DT claim. I'm leaving my vote on VE until we see something a little more credible.
-_- He knows Talis' PM name. This has been confirmed. That isn't proof. I have another player's character name in my PM since there is a relationship between them in the show. If the scum are trying to fake a dt claim, I'd expect them to put some solid effort into making it believable, including copying the names from the pms. Talis posted his character's name to the thread. They knew what to look for. My scenario is extremely convoluted. Occam's razor says talis is either miller or scum due to the red check. But the red check is secondary information and I dont trust it coming from toad. Xsebt has not posted yet. At this rate he's getting modkilled. He's pretty much outed already. Why continue to hide?
No, it is proof. He told toad my name was Henry Francais, which is what my PM says. However, what I posted in the thread was Henry Francis (minus the "a"). The only way he got the Francais spelling is if he got it from the host. The actual spelling is Francis, so he couldn't have gotten it from the show.
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It's not an insane scum ploy. It makes no sense. If flip townie, scum have traded one for one for a vanilla townie who was one of the most suspicious already. This while they were actually trying to push through a zephirdd lynch.
Xsebt is DT, end of story.
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ps you guys are giving me way too much credit if you think I can play like this as scum lol.
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On August 11 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote: why do you think zeph is town, talis?
I'm fairly certain VE is scum. I think Dropula is the godfather as well. I know - a bit connectiony.
Zephirdd just doesn't fit with any model of scum play this game. We both played with him when he was traitor in Pick Your Power and I seem to recall a safer style of posting then, not as loose. In Pick Your Poison I was scum and he was town and I found him incredibly scummy and spent the whole game more or less plotting to get him mislynched. He just does things that people consider obvious scumtells as town. I think he's done that here.
I mean, scum aren't playing that great this game. They haven't built any good cases or actually convinced people. They instead pick up on the stupidest little things, like my discussion of setup, or zephirdd's list of people that hadn't posted in D1 and base their false suspicions on those.
Marv, assuming you're town, which I lean on you and BioSc but can't really prove, you should really dig into this game during the night phase. Read through it like you're scum, since you're quite good at scum, and discern the scum lynch pushes and plans. I think you will come to the same conclusion that I have, which is that VE is scum mason, and that count dropula's play is explained perfectly if he's a sinensis smurf (dropula attacks zephirdd based on zeph's meta in Normal Mini Mafia 2, claiming that he went and read zeph's past games. No one ever reads past games, especially not "new" players which is what dropula claims he is. Dropula is acting weird as fuck because he wants to draw DT checks because he's GF).
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On August 11 2012 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote: durr my insanity convinced someone lol ##Unvote I want to hear it from Xsebt before I'll vote.
If you're going to vote for either Xsebt or me, vote for me. Xsebt is confirmed DT. Xsebt is confirmed DT. Xsebt is confirmed DT.
(1) He knew toad's char name too (2) The play makes no sense as scum - it trades 1 for 1 with a suspicious VT (3) Scum don't act on their own when doing something like that, someone definitely tells him that it's against the rules to PM
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On August 10 2012 14:48 Lazermonkey wrote: Talis needs to die. We cannot judge him by his defense. There are two possible explanation for his play here. 1) He is miller. 2) He is scum but wants to act as miller as it's the only way he might survive.
Out of these two 2 is much more likely than 1. So unless you had a very convincing town read to start with, you should vote him.
[purple]Lazermonkey[/purple]
Imagine that you're scum. Imagine that I'm scum with you. Now look at the remaining non-mason players in the game and pick anyone else to be scum with us. Can you actually see anybody else deserving the godfather role more than me? I'm at least a semi-veteran around here, having been playing since May or so. I'm known to be active. GF is a perfect role for me. Mason is even a decent role for me, as it's supposedly rolecop-proof. Hell, I'd even take roleblocker over goon.
Please actually think about whether me being scum or me being miller makes the most sense. This is about weighing one bit of hard evidence of unknown reliability versus an enormous amount of soft evidence with strong reliability.
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Apparently purple doesn't work -_-
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On August 11 2012 02:41 Hopeless1der wrote: I have no intention of voting xsebt. Its either you or VE at this point. Lynching into a dt is insane, confirmed or not.
1) If they're both scum of course they do 2) This is completely true and probably why I'll vote for you by the end of this. 3) Again, if they're scum no rules were broken.
You keep feeding us info that we can use to try to win later, but insist we kill you. I'm all but convinced your town, but we can't risk it going into LYLO. I'm still not voting until xsebt gets his ass in here and gives some semblance of an explanation for this shitshow.
You won't go into lylo if we lynch VE. You will if you lynch me.
At this point, modkills might start to be a factor for players like hassy and possibly xsebt if he never shows and whomever else doesn't show. The game could possibly be over tonight if BC feels like killing nonvoters.
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Reposting this since BC hasn't answered it yet in my PMs nor when I asked in the thread althoguh I know he's been around or he wouldn't have been able to deal with the toad-xsebt situation.
This is a legitimate question - are DTs functionally rolecops or alignment cops or both?
Specifically,
DT checks townie = ? DT checks miller = ? DT checks goon = ? DT checks roleblocker = ? DT checks town mason = ? DT checks scum mason = ? DT checks godfather = ? DT checks medic = ? DT checks vigilante = ?
You can post the answer in the thread if you don't want to just tell one player.
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Well that's a surprise. Guess I was wrong there or my head is being played with.
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On August 10 2012 20:51 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 14:48 Lazermonkey wrote: Talis needs to die. We cannot judge him by his defense. There are two possible explanation for his play here. 1) He is miller. 2) He is scum but wants to act as miller as it's the only way he might survive.
Out of these two 2 is much more likely than 1. So unless you had a very convincing town read to start with, you should vote him. That's exactly the point. I'm not even saying what talis is posting is looking more like a mafia (except for the fact that he's leaving out the mafia scenarios when talking but no idea how you guys think about that) but if he is mafia he can't just get in here and tell people "sup dudes, I got a red check on me, ignore it and lynch someone else because I say so". He has to deal with it no matter of alignment. Besides I'd be up for lynching Zeph as well. I don't realy like how he was so furious and mad about someone breaking the rules and suddenly went on to sweettalk me like that when he said "Toad is't not your fault. Xsebt is the guy who did something wrong". I get that you're mad if someone breaks the rules but it felt over the top. Not even Talis was anywhere as mad and he's the center of all this after all.
Toad, in your honest opinion do you think I could play like I've played this game as scum? Even remotely close to this?
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Marv, xsebt is town. This is established.
BC got back to me about DTs.
DTs receive character name, role name, color-formatted to indicate the alignment.
DTs are both alignment cops and rolecops (and character cops?)
Therefore an enormous preponderance of evidence indicates that Xsebt is clearly town. This also guarantees that toad is town, otherwise xsebt doesn't tell toad about his check on me. (xsebt checked toad N2).
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Why I think VisceraEyes is scum
(1) Meta
VE's meta is off. He is normally an active, even spammy player as town (days are RL days, pre-game posts not counted):
Posts in Bureaucracy (town): ~220 in 8 days Posts in Normal Mini Mafia 2 (town): ~140 before he was lynched 5 days in (Note that this was the beginning of his new, "restrained" playstyle. Posts in Movie Star Mini (town): ~240 posts before he was lynched 6 days in Posts in iGrok's Clean old-fashioned (town): ~140 before he was lynched 6 days in Posts in Emergency Mini Mafia (town): ~100 before he was killed 5 days in Posts in Liar Game (town): ~60 before he was lynched 3 days in Posts in LV (town): staggeringly ~300 before he was lynched 5 days in
However, he is less active as scum:
Posts in Wheel of Fortune Mini Mafia (scum): ~50 in 6 days. ( Filter for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330925&user=117978 ) (This was the only scum game I found (not counting his SK game). Are there others?)
And how many posts does he have this game?
~80 in 8 days.
10 posts a day, just like Wheel of Fortune, and completely unlike his most recent town games. Bureaucracy: almost 30 posts per day for the first 8 days. NMM2: almost 30 posts per day for the first 8 days. Both of these town games were played with him consciously trying to post less.
(2) Scummy behavioral traits
(a) A strange amount of certainty, particularly when it comes to lynches.
Townies do not know who scum are. It is typical for them to express doubt when it comes to placing their votes and making their cases. VE hasn't really doubted himself this game.
(b) Lots of exaggerations.
He exaggerates many things, some of which I've pointed out before, in making his cases.
(c) Failure to follow up. Townies say they're going to do something and then do it. VE says he's going to do things but never really gets around to it:
On August 04 2012 11:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm gonna reread the thread. Zeph's activity is at least such that if he's scum he's sure to let me know soon enough...and there are FAR too many lurkers for a healthy town at this point. He's defended himself at least, yet is still interested in finding scum. Not comfortable lynching anymore...but keep talking Zeph.
##Unvote Zephirdd
I'm rereading with a focus on players who barely have any content, and hopefully one of them jumps out at me...because at this point I'm on the verge of a Lurker Policy Lynch...and those of you who have played with me know it's serious if it's come to that.
On August 06 2012 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm finally near a computer. I'm going to post my thoughts on prplhz as promised, even though it's useless now, and give my thoughts on those of us remaining.
prplhz entered the game in what I perceived to be an extraordinarily scummy way. The first thing he did upon entering was complain about spam that had yet to even occur. I mean, there's fostering a pro-town environment and there's seeking out easy town-cred by saying something completely devoid of content, you know? Anyway, when I called him out on it his response was to diffuse the situation. I viewed this as overly diplomatic according to what I've observed as prplhz' playstyle. As a result, my scumread on prplhz was born.
His only subsequent actions he made in the game were his case on Glasse and his vote on slOosh for inactivity. Those are the only things prplhz had done in the game. And looking at the timing of it all, it just looked extremely bad.
But prplhz flipped town. So that leaves us with the question:
Who, among us, is scum?
Right now I'm looking into talismania, Errandor, Zephirdd and I'm filtering one JingleHell and I'm trying to figure out what to think about wherebugsgo. I'll post my findings in detail a little later...but those are my preliminary thoughts before reading/casemaking.
Anyone saying I'm scum for "my attitude" needs to have their head checked. I've been trying to help. I apologize for my absence, I intend to do my part in finding and destroying our enemies.
He did eventually post stuff about me and erandorr, but never his findings on zeph or jinglehell or wbg. And the stuff he did post on me and erandorr suggests he really didn't pay much attention to his "looking into"
On August 07 2012 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Wow I live. Amazing.
I don't know why we're assuming slOosh was double-stacked - while I don't think it's likely that grush was a priority scum target, the way he was playing and posting felt kinda blue to me, so I can imagine it would feel blue to scum too. Plus, considering Bugs is among the only voices who was speaking out in opposition of grush, it makes even less sense to assume that a vig killed grush (because Bugs was under such heavy suspicion himself.)
Until we get a vig claim, I'm assuming that both scum shots have been accounted for here.
Bugs, our masoning is over sir. If you want to discuss with me, do so in the thread guy.
There's some interesting stuff going on - I'll comment after my reread.
He posted this after I had made my huge case on him. But he never commented on it until much later. The next thing he wrote was "okay" when I asked him to mason me.
On August 07 2012 06:53 VisceraEyes wrote:@Bugs Looking at talis' activity, I'm less inclined to vote him. I mean - I get the case on me and I can't refute it...it's based almost entirely around the quality of my case against him, which I'll admit is fairly bad. That being said, I've masoned talis and we'll see where my read on him goes from here. Errandor is looking like the best target today - we've now flipped a town mason, so theoretically speaking lynching into the masons is a good plan if we're subscribing to the idea that scum must have masons. That aside, I had a scum read leaving N1 and that hasn't changed. I feel like his defense against my points fails to address the main crux of my argument which is that rather than argue his points logically, he's more interested in turning town AGAINST you appealing to their emotions. It just sucks for him that most everyone KNOWS you're a bastard regardless of alignment. And in response to your first question...no guy. 5 out of what 20? players isn't enough. I'm thoroughly DISatisfied with town's activity right now. Hopefully I'll be able to add something more to the conversation soon.
He didn't add anything to the conversation for another three hours, when he just voted for erandorr after riling him up. Also note that he says he's dissatisfied with town's activity when he himself is way under his own activity trends.
(3) Making poor cases with little research and no consideration of alternate possibilities
See my previous posts here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=43#853
and here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=61#1220
(4) Non-townie usage of the mason role
(a) His stated reasoning for masoning wbg makes no sense and continues to make no sense:
On August 04 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I'd rather hunt for scum than defend myself, so I masoned a veteran in as a shortcut to establishing my innocence with him if he's town so he can smack down anyone (Toad) who thinks I'm scum for stupid-ass reasons.
Also if he's scum, I wanted a private line with him in case he felt like telling me all about it in PMs. So far he hasn't. :/
Him instantly outting me wasn't something I'd considered. I figured he'd talk to me about it first. I have a long way to go in understanding Bugs' play.
(b) He exaggerates what our PM conversation was like, which I explain here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=61#1220
(c) He calls me scum, then refuses to talk to me in PMs anymore. Why does a townie tell a scum player they think the scum is scum, and then refuse to talk to that person? A townie doesn't tell the scum what they think, and instead pumps the scum for more information. Cutting off communication with me during N2 made no sense at all.
(5) Logical inconsistencies
(a) Stating that zephirdd and I have equal chances of being scum, yet basing his scumread on zephirdd based on a connection to me. Subsequently votes zephirdd instead of me, even though I'm the original scumread. (this makes sense from a scum pov of course because lynching me first immediately makes VE look bad). See this post and try to follow the logic: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=60#1194
(b) Contradicting himself when it comes to why he found WBG town.
Originally, he writes
On August 04 2012 01:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Eran: he thinks you're either dumb or scum. A loss of a player like that to NK is preferable to a NK on like...him. By his estimation. Bugs is probably town bro...I think he'd try and manipulate us in PMs rather than instantly out us if he were scum.
and shortly thereafter adds
On August 04 2012 01:49 VisceraEyes wrote: He certainly hasn't done anything in PMland to convince me he's town, that's for sure. I'm basing that read exclusively on the fact that he outted myself and Eran SnB. Do you feel like he did it to "fuck with town" rather than for the reason he gave?
Where the "He" is WBG.
HOWEVER, later when asked (several times) about why he found wbg to be town he finally answers:
On August 07 2012 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: *snip*
1) His reads / willingness to discuss them with me *snip*
He completely forgot the original reason he made up to say why he thought bugs was town. A townie wouldn't forget that.
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Please read what I just wrote, if you skimmed. Imagine that I didn't write it, if that helps. This is the best case anyone has made all game. Vote VE.
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On August 11 2012 03:50 Hopeless1der wrote: That's infuriating Glasse...
@Marv, Lynching into Xsebt is insane to me because no one has counterclaimed and giving up a dt for a scum in that order is not the way to go about doing things. Talis presumably is not blue given his arguments this past day. If he flips VT, THEN I'd want to lynch xsebt. If Talis were to flip miller or scum, xsebt is pretty much confirmed. I'd like to believe we'd be significantly better off lynching talis today if it were between xsebt and talis.
I want to make sure this gets through to you: xsebt is 99% a real DT without knowing my alignment
(1) The host has confirmed to me that DTs get character names, role names, and alignments. This fits. (2) Xsebt's behavior is exactly what a kind of new DT player would do. He gets a red check on me and immediately tunnels me. (3) It makes no sense from a scum perspective. We've been through this already. Trading one for one with a suspicious VT etc
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I want to stress to the thread again:
XSEBT IS DT.
He checked me N1 and has a red check. I am a miller.
He checked toad N2 and has a green check. Yes, to reiterate, the host has told me DTs not only get roles and character names, they also get alignments. Toad is 99% town
The only scenario where what I've written is not true is if both xsebt and toad are scum, but that makes so little sense given everything else that I'm not even going to bother with it (see point 3 above, for starters).
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