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On August 04 2012 09:03 Erandorr wrote:
Come on skype for a bit bugs. Now please
I legit thought this was the post Erandorr outed himself. Didnt see WBGs out.
Glasse
1) Glasse first makes a case on prphlz and outright claims his scum read to Talis. Yet right after the vote he has a post jumping off this stance:
On August 05 2012 10:11 Glasse wrote:
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It was to be expected.
As if he thought prpphlz was gonna roll town the whole time.
2) On August 05 2012 11:23 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 11:17 MrZentor wrote:I'll start defending myself once i have the majority of votes on me, i don't care if people are still suspicious about me, because for now i dont have to worry about town wasting a lynch since nobody is 100% confirmed. This is a quote from Glasse's last game, when he was innocent. + Show Spoiler +On August 03 2012 23:21 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 12:13 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 12:08 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. oh man I hope bc didn't link role names and actual roles. kinda bet he did though That could be kinda unfair for those like me who has no clue about mad men. I have no clue who the fuck roger sterling is and what it could imply. So the time was changed to 9pm, so i guess it's day until saturday at 9pm? Useless post. Talks about flavor and deadline. Seems like a token first post that townies wouldn't really care to make. So wondering if the characters had anything to do with roles is incriminating? I don't get it. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:27 Glasse wrote:
If the mason role is as important as some people are saying, calling them out only exposes them to mafia no? Non committal post. Asks if your opinions are okay. Scum are focused on how they appear while townies think things through and just say how they feel. Nothing to say here. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:29 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason? wherebugsgo might be full of shit, who knows? Spreading doubt and undermining wherebugsgo. I'm just saying how I feel about the whole mason thing going on. Of course I'm gonna spread doubt when I doubt his intentions. I want to know wtf hes up to and others might see the same thing and might be able to figure it out. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:
Now tell me how and why you are town if you're really as town as town can be. Who is scum? I can't really tell you, I haven't even done anything yet so anything I would say would be completely useless. Can't claim anything other than being green. So you will have to take my word for it. Who is scum? No clue, I don't like this wherebugsgo guy though. But this game, Glasse defends himself once one person voted for him.
The problem is that the game is from a year and a half ago, but it's the only thing I can compare his current play to. This alone isn't much, but that coupled with his really weird filter makes him likely to be scum. I like to change my playstyle from game to game so people can't go meta on me. This doesn't make me more likely to be scum. Since you appear to be looking at my tl mafia history you can confirm what I just said if you want to. I don't think I've played many mafia games on here though, maybe like 3 or 4.
If you look at his previous games his actual posting style is still one-linish, so I think this statement is a lie. What I do see is that he tries more when he is town(as the game goes on :3)
From: Dont lose yo village mafia
On November 18 2010 12:42 Glasse wrote:
no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate
3) It seems everytime we ask him questions he has a BS response like this:
On August 11 2012 03:52 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 03:45 marvellosity wrote:On August 11 2012 03:43 Glasse wrote:On August 11 2012 03:36 marvellosity wrote:On August 11 2012 03:34 Glasse wrote:On August 11 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only SC colors work (red zerg, green toss and blue terran) A while ago we tried to get more colors for mafia but it was rejected. Tell me, and tell me right now, why you won't play properly. As far as I know I am not breaking any rules so I am playing properly. On August 10 2012 01:26 Glasse wrote:
This game is so weird, I don't think I've ever played one like this before. The atmosphere is just wrong.
I probably picked the wrong game to play this way. Oh well, can't stop now. This. Explain. Because an extra person to try to stop the chaos caused by the early part of the game would've been useful, but now it would just cause even more chaos if I started being more active which wouldn't help because some people think I'm scum and they would just waste more time on me. So I'm actually helping town right now, in some way.
Lurking is helping the town -_-.
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On August 15 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:Yes, Sir! ##Vote: marvellosity
lol hopeless better be writing a case on marv after the shit he's given me.
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On August 15 2012 12:49 BroodKingEXE wrote:Sorry took so long had to step out for a while. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 09:03 Erandorr wrote:
Come on skype for a bit bugs. Now please I legit thought this was the post Erandorr outed himself. Didnt see WBGs out. Glasse1) Glasse first makes a case on prphlz and outright claims his scum read to Talis. Yet right after the vote he has a post jumping off this stance: As if he thought prpphlz was gonna roll town the whole time. 2) Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 11:23 Glasse wrote:On August 05 2012 11:17 MrZentor wrote:I'll start defending myself once i have the majority of votes on me, i don't care if people are still suspicious about me, because for now i dont have to worry about town wasting a lynch since nobody is 100% confirmed. This is a quote from Glasse's last game, when he was innocent. + Show Spoiler +On August 03 2012 23:21 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 12:13 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 12:08 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. oh man I hope bc didn't link role names and actual roles. kinda bet he did though That could be kinda unfair for those like me who has no clue about mad men. I have no clue who the fuck roger sterling is and what it could imply. So the time was changed to 9pm, so i guess it's day until saturday at 9pm? Useless post. Talks about flavor and deadline. Seems like a token first post that townies wouldn't really care to make. So wondering if the characters had anything to do with roles is incriminating? I don't get it. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:27 Glasse wrote:
If the mason role is as important as some people are saying, calling them out only exposes them to mafia no? Non committal post. Asks if your opinions are okay. Scum are focused on how they appear while townies think things through and just say how they feel. Nothing to say here. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:29 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason? wherebugsgo might be full of shit, who knows? Spreading doubt and undermining wherebugsgo. I'm just saying how I feel about the whole mason thing going on. Of course I'm gonna spread doubt when I doubt his intentions. I want to know wtf hes up to and others might see the same thing and might be able to figure it out. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:
Now tell me how and why you are town if you're really as town as town can be. Who is scum? I can't really tell you, I haven't even done anything yet so anything I would say would be completely useless. Can't claim anything other than being green. So you will have to take my word for it. Who is scum? No clue, I don't like this wherebugsgo guy though. But this game, Glasse defends himself once one person voted for him.
The problem is that the game is from a year and a half ago, but it's the only thing I can compare his current play to. This alone isn't much, but that coupled with his really weird filter makes him likely to be scum. I like to change my playstyle from game to game so people can't go meta on me. This doesn't make me more likely to be scum. Since you appear to be looking at my tl mafia history you can confirm what I just said if you want to. I don't think I've played many mafia games on here though, maybe like 3 or 4. If you look at his previous games his actual posting style is still one-linish, so I think this statement is a lie. What I do see is that he tries more when he is town(as the game goes on :3) From: Dont lose yo village mafia Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 12:42 Glasse wrote:
no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate 3) It seems everytime we ask him questions he has a BS response like this: Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 03:52 Glasse wrote:On August 11 2012 03:45 marvellosity wrote:On August 11 2012 03:43 Glasse wrote:On August 11 2012 03:36 marvellosity wrote:On August 11 2012 03:34 Glasse wrote:On August 11 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only SC colors work (red zerg, green toss and blue terran) A while ago we tried to get more colors for mafia but it was rejected. Tell me, and tell me right now, why you won't play properly. As far as I know I am not breaking any rules so I am playing properly. On August 10 2012 01:26 Glasse wrote:
This game is so weird, I don't think I've ever played one like this before. The atmosphere is just wrong.
I probably picked the wrong game to play this way. Oh well, can't stop now. This. Explain. Because an extra person to try to stop the chaos caused by the early part of the game would've been useful, but now it would just cause even more chaos if I started being more active which wouldn't help because some people think I'm scum and they would just waste more time on me. So I'm actually helping town right now, in some way. Lurking is helping the town -_-.
If you look at all my tl mafia games you can see what I clearly change the way I play every game, just so people can't go meta on me.
Don't waste your time trying to find something where there isn't anything, focus on finding actual scum.
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On August 15 2012 20:44 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 12:49 BroodKingEXE wrote:Sorry took so long had to step out for a while. On August 04 2012 09:03 Erandorr wrote:
Come on skype for a bit bugs. Now please I legit thought this was the post Erandorr outed himself. Didnt see WBGs out. Glasse1) Glasse first makes a case on prphlz and outright claims his scum read to Talis. Yet right after the vote he has a post jumping off this stance: On August 05 2012 10:11 Glasse wrote:
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It was to be expected. As if he thought prpphlz was gonna roll town the whole time. 2) On August 05 2012 11:23 Glasse wrote:On August 05 2012 11:17 MrZentor wrote:I'll start defending myself once i have the majority of votes on me, i don't care if people are still suspicious about me, because for now i dont have to worry about town wasting a lynch since nobody is 100% confirmed. This is a quote from Glasse's last game, when he was innocent. + Show Spoiler +On August 03 2012 23:21 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 12:13 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 12:08 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. oh man I hope bc didn't link role names and actual roles. kinda bet he did though That could be kinda unfair for those like me who has no clue about mad men. I have no clue who the fuck roger sterling is and what it could imply. So the time was changed to 9pm, so i guess it's day until saturday at 9pm? Useless post. Talks about flavor and deadline. Seems like a token first post that townies wouldn't really care to make. So wondering if the characters had anything to do with roles is incriminating? I don't get it. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:27 Glasse wrote:
If the mason role is as important as some people are saying, calling them out only exposes them to mafia no? Non committal post. Asks if your opinions are okay. Scum are focused on how they appear while townies think things through and just say how they feel. Nothing to say here. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:29 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason? wherebugsgo might be full of shit, who knows? Spreading doubt and undermining wherebugsgo. I'm just saying how I feel about the whole mason thing going on. Of course I'm gonna spread doubt when I doubt his intentions. I want to know wtf hes up to and others might see the same thing and might be able to figure it out. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:
Now tell me how and why you are town if you're really as town as town can be. Who is scum? I can't really tell you, I haven't even done anything yet so anything I would say would be completely useless. Can't claim anything other than being green. So you will have to take my word for it. Who is scum? No clue, I don't like this wherebugsgo guy though. But this game, Glasse defends himself once one person voted for him.
The problem is that the game is from a year and a half ago, but it's the only thing I can compare his current play to. This alone isn't much, but that coupled with his really weird filter makes him likely to be scum. I like to change my playstyle from game to game so people can't go meta on me. This doesn't make me more likely to be scum. Since you appear to be looking at my tl mafia history you can confirm what I just said if you want to. I don't think I've played many mafia games on here though, maybe like 3 or 4. If you look at his previous games his actual posting style is still one-linish, so I think this statement is a lie. What I do see is that he tries more when he is town(as the game goes on :3) From: Dont lose yo village mafia On November 18 2010 12:42 Glasse wrote:
no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate 3) It seems everytime we ask him questions he has a BS response like this: On August 11 2012 03:52 Glasse wrote:On August 11 2012 03:45 marvellosity wrote:On August 11 2012 03:43 Glasse wrote:On August 11 2012 03:36 marvellosity wrote:On August 11 2012 03:34 Glasse wrote:On August 11 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only SC colors work (red zerg, green toss and blue terran) A while ago we tried to get more colors for mafia but it was rejected. Tell me, and tell me right now, why you won't play properly. As far as I know I am not breaking any rules so I am playing properly. On August 10 2012 01:26 Glasse wrote:
This game is so weird, I don't think I've ever played one like this before. The atmosphere is just wrong.
I probably picked the wrong game to play this way. Oh well, can't stop now. This. Explain. Because an extra person to try to stop the chaos caused by the early part of the game would've been useful, but now it would just cause even more chaos if I started being more active which wouldn't help because some people think I'm scum and they would just waste more time on me. So I'm actually helping town right now, in some way. Lurking is helping the town -_-. If you look at all my tl mafia games you can see what I clearly change the way I play every game, just so people can't go meta on me. Don't waste your time trying to find something where there isn't anything, focus on finding actual scum.
Don't lecture him, because you are totally ****ing useless. THE WAY YOU PLAY MAKES PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE SCUM. This is YOUR FAULT, not anyone else's.
The fact is I find it quite unlikely you are scum because the "Glasse timing" as scum implies you came in as scum with the explicit objective to troll town, which I find somewhat unlikely, if not impossible.
Even worse, if you are a dumb troll town, you're not even sheeping the townie who's actually killing scum (me). No redeeming features at all in your play.
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On August 15 2012 12:56 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 15 2012 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
no. vote for scum.
Yes, Sir! ##Vote: marvellosity lol hopeless better be writing a case on marv after the shit he's given me.
yes, I'm looking forward to it.
*marv comes in, calls the main scumread of everyone town (talis). votes and kills scum in zeph. votes and kills scum in VE. calls the vigi shot on the godfather Hassy. MARV IS SCUM GUISE!!!!!!!1111111111*
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It could all be a plan to be the lone scum survivor while nobody expects it.
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It could! But how about you let me kill off the scum I know are scum before you consider that, ya?
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the interesting thing left in this game is who the last scum is.
Broodking/Synstyr (Zentor/Glasse) are how I view it. Two main options and two outside possibilities.
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On August 15 2012 21:41 marvellosity wrote:
It could! But how about you let me kill off the scum I know are scum before you consider that, ya?
Fine, I'll let you play your game 
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On August 15 2012 22:06 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 21:41 marvellosity wrote:
It could! But how about you let me kill off the scum I know are scum before you consider that, ya? Fine, I'll let you play your game
The problem with 'my game', sweetie, is that I need people like you to co-operate in order to for it to work 
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Alright, town, here's how it is. You're dealing with someone (me) who hasn't voted to kill a townie in 3 motherfucking games. Bureaucracy I defended the townie up for lynch Day 1 and voted scum every day otherwise. Dwarf Fortress I voted mafia day 1 before being killed night 1. This game I voted for scum, scum, and called the shot on the godfather. So you see, I'm on a 10-scum (ish) roll of correctness (we'll handily forget I thought wbg was scum for a moment ). So perhaps you can understand my arrogance in wanting town just to sheep me with my current record.
However. I might be outrageously arrogant, but much more than this, I want to win. So we cannot afford a mislynch today because of the difficulties I'm having with the final scum means town might need another.
With this said, Hopeless1der and all other townies reading, I will actually present the case against JingleHell. That way, if you don't vote with me, I can legtimiately blame whoever doesn't vote for me without losing the game for town, rather than the possibly legitimate excuse that 'marv was an asshole and didn't give a reason'.
JingleHell
I mostly want to focus on the interactions between him and VE, but I will also touch on the interactions to do with talis/zeph and possibly Erandorr too.
To set the scene, JingleHell went hard after Erandorr pretty hard at the beginning of the game. He later dropped the read practically completely, owing to the mason conversation he had with talismania. Think about this for a moment before we continue. Jingle was totally convinced Erandorr was scum (check his filter page 1-2) and was convinced otherwise by talismania. Just want to get the background out there first.
The fail bus on VisceraEyes
Starting at the end, page 85, with part of his interactions with me:
On August 14 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 03:05 marvellosity wrote:On August 14 2012 02:37 JingleHell wrote:
Hey people. Sorry about not getting back faster. Ended up not having as much free time as I thought this weekend.
I see people are finally getting onboard for VE. About time. Once my kid goes down for his nap, I'll try and get that filter diving I've been promising done.
##Vote VE Funny that I have to go back 2+ pages in your filter since you even last mentioned VE being a scumread. If by 'about time' you mean 'people are now looking at townie talismania's VE case' then yes. Where were you pushing VE when talis was making his large (good) case? I also remind people reading this that talis was a TOWN-READ for Jingle, so why wasn't Jingle helping push the VE case with Talis?? It must be very convincing to mention my filter when you clearly haven't read it. Handy to make a case out of nothing. I don't know what the hell you're thinking, but if you want to make ME look scummy, you'll have to try harder to push through a mislynch on me. I wanted VE days ago. He somehow got Erandorr through instead. This was after Talis explained point by point why he thought the case against Talis was weaker than it looked, and sold me on it. That was one of the things that also convinced me on Talis. All this information is readily available. You know, in my filter, which will also explain every other thing you're waiting to bring up as "evidence" against me.
Aside from the absurd ranting against me, the general idea is that he's shouting at me because I didn't appreciate how much he wanted a VE lynch days ago. Let's have a look at how badly he wanted it. Incoming are some quotes with Jingle's thoughts on VE.
On August 07 2012 03:33 JingleHell wrote:
Frankly, if I was going to call alignment based purely off of the case/countercase etc between you [talis] and VE, it would look like two townies beating each other to death with WIFOM.
At the moment, opinion is VE/talis town. Check. Carry on.
On August 07 2012 03:06 JingleHell wrote:
Well, I don't know how many total masons there are, but we may well have some in reserve, and trying to WIFOM the host seems silly anyways. That said, at least part of the case against VE seems to rely on meta, which is mostly vague references.
I've seen a few things that make me question his motive for individual statements (don't remember off the top of my head) but overall his play has seemed consistent without being calculated. A lot of it seems to be semantics rather than motivation, and (given some mistakes I've made reading people that way before) I'd prefer to avoid making it all about that.
Overall, I really prefer the stuff that started crawling around under the rock I already looked under. Since we don't have any living confirmed townies, I'd prefer to avoid trying to prove innocence, and instead try to prove guilt. Establishing innocence is difficult at best, and an easy way to distract the town, so I'd rather keep an eye out for people making statements that require foreknowledge or have no town motive.
The case against VE is 'vague meta', 'semantics', VE's play seems 'consistent without being calculated', and it's not about motivation. No scumread yet. BUT HOLY SHIT LOOK AT HIS NEXT MENTION OF VE
On August 07 2012 23:00 JingleHell wrote:
Going after Hassy at this point almost feels like it would be lynching for information. I can't understand the motivation of his play from any perspective, with his utterly nonexistent posting.
Right now, I'd probably be willing to get behind lynches on either VE, Dropula, or (if he doesn't explain his somewhat insane last post in the thread) Eran.
:OOOOOOOOOO
to reiterate this
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VE- townread townread case is weak case is weak SCUM. Hello??
On August 08 2012 02:06 JingleHell wrote:I've got to say, right now VE is pretty much the number one scumread. Most damning of all, the whole rolefishing thing on Talis. It was really bizarre timing to ask, but if the host actually made roles and names line up (which doesn't seem to be the case), that would just be kind of dumb, making it the core of a case doesn't fly. And then certain things don't line up. Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, my reasoning was to establish my innocence with Bugs FIRST, before anyone else. Not so he could defend me, but so he wouldn't suspect me.
Townies don't need to "establish" their innocence, that just happens through proper behavior. Along with everything else, you've pretty much topped my reads for the day.
He's morphed into JingleHell's #1 scumread. Excellent. Explanations in the quote above? VE is scum because of the rolefishing thing, and that he said he wanted to establish his innocence, 'along with everything else'. Naturally we're not treated to everything else. This is some seriously weak sauce for calling someone your #1 scumread.
JingleHell goes nuts at Broodking:
On August 08 2012 02:25 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 02:17 BroodKingEXE wrote:On August 08 2012 02:06 JingleHell wrote:I've got to say, right now VE is pretty much the number one scumread. Most damning of all, the whole rolefishing thing on Talis. It was really bizarre timing to ask, but if the host actually made roles and names line up (which doesn't seem to be the case), that would just be kind of dumb, making it the core of a case doesn't fly. And then certain things don't line up. On August 06 2012 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, my reasoning was to establish my innocence with Bugs FIRST, before anyone else. Not so he could defend me, but so he wouldn't suspect me.
Townies don't need to "establish" their innocence, that just happens through proper behavior. Along with everything else, you've pretty much topped my reads for the day. You'e never played a game with VE have you. Establishing his innocence is something he mentions every game. I dont think anyone agrees that Talis' rolefishing had any place in this town, so why not call it out? This reasoning is too shabby for you to be making votes. You know what? I'm about fucking sick of this stupid shit. If I had the gall to mention in the thread that I've just finished my newbie games, I bet you people would rip me to shreds over trying to use it as a crutch, but any time someone doesn't like something I say or do, they bring it up. Fuck off. If you want to defend the guy who's been kinda crazy for a while now, that's your call, but don't tell me where to vote. If someone claims scum every single game, even when they're not, does that mean they're never scum? No. It just means they have useful meta for when they play as scum. Anyways, I have my reasons for my vote. I could reiterate what a dozen other people have said, or I could just reference some of the bigger stuff. Seems easier.
He 'has his reasons'. He could reiterate what other people have said... but he doesn't even bother. He references 'some of the bigger stuff'. The only thing he referenced so far is rolefishing and VE wanting to prove his innocence. But remember - VE #1 scumread for Jingle. Let's see what happens next.
On August 10 2012 01:47 JingleHell wrote:
Ok, so I still think VE has a fair shot of flipping scum, but I'd like to propose an alternative to vote.
Dropula.
So. After JingleHell hasn't pushed VE in any way whatsoever, he now provides an alternative in CountDropula. Why isn't Jingle pushing VE, like AT ALL?
On August 10 2012 08:08 JingleHell wrote:
I still think he's a strong lynch candidate, for the same reasons I did already, with a mislynch he helped push added on top of it.
However, I think that if people aren't interested in VE, CD is also a great target.
Nope, absolutely refuses to push VE in any way.
This is simply a terrible, terrible bus. VE goes from being a townread with a weak case on him, to being JingleHell's #1 scumread, with barely any explanation. Jingle then does not push for a VE lynch in any way, and instead seeks alternatives in Dropula. This is clear scum play.
Inconsistences with talismania and redchecks
I made it clear earlier how JingleHell viewed talis as a pretty strong townread after talismania 'convinced' Jingle off Erandorr in their mason chat. Anyhoo, now we have an outed red-check on talismania. Just as a point of reference - I came in to the game thinking talismania was town, and even though there was a redcheck on him, I showed no inclination to lynch talismania whatsoever. That's your comparison, folks.
On August 10 2012 13:36 JingleHell wrote:
You know, as much as I really never got a scum vibe off you [talis], and as much as your argument here is making sense (with at least quick glimpses at filter for activity), even if we assume miller, having a red check alive at MYLO/LYLO is terrible for reaching critical consensus when the scum numbers are coming so close to townie.
I don't want to lynch for information, and I don't want to screw up our odds. But I still want to trust my town read on you. If you can sway enough people on a lynch I'd prefer to get behind, I'll swap my vote up. If you're wrong, we take it as scum confirmation and off you instead.
I gave a lot of reasons for my town read on you, and I'm sure that scummy people with an agenda will be targeting me after today's lynch no matter how it goes, since I believe you, so I might as well follow my gut.
According to Jingle, talis's arguments makes sense. He reiterates his town-read. But he's setting the scene for voting for talis if necessary - "having a red check alive at MYLO/LYLO is terrible for reaching critical consensus when the scum numbers are coming so close to townie." Most pertinent is what I've bolded, though. Although talis has been pushing VE, which if we recall, JINGLE SUPPOSEDLY COMPLETELY AGREES WITH, Jingle is telling talis that HE has to sway people on another lynch, otherwise he's scum. Why isn't JINGLE defending his townread (talis) and pushing the main scumread of them both, VisceraEyes?
On August 11 2012 00:48 JingleHell wrote:
Actually, like I already said, unless he presents a truly strong target, like a perfect case, we should still kill him. Unless he's able to prove himself to be worth the gamble of potentially having alive at MYLO/LYLO when he's been redchecked, he's a liability.
Jingle basically abandons his town-read on talis in favour of believing the red-check. Weak play from someone we all know is monumentally opinionated and does not back down from their reads.
At this stage CD comes out as DT with a redcheck on Zephirdd.
On August 11 2012 06:11 JingleHell wrote:
I'm not taking my vote off a confirmed redcheck. Even Talis is helping confirm Xsebt. I'm going conspiracy theorist on CD/Lazer scum trying to sneak some crazy shit past us to push a lynch on Zeph right now. I don't believe there's a second DT, this shit seems too crazy to me.
At this point Jingle is happily voting to kill his strong town-read, talismania. Note the bold... and then part of a post I quoted just a moment ago:
On August 10 2012 13:36 JingleHell wrote:
I don't want to lynch for information
:OOOOO
Finally, Lazer has 'confirmed' CD with his rolename. So we have Xsebt and CD in IDENTICAL positions where each has a townie confirming them (toad / lazer) and each has a redcheck. In both situations the DT is either telling the truth, or he's outing himself and his townie.
On August 11 2012 06:17 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 06:12 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 11 2012 06:05 JingleHell wrote:
I don't know what the fuck is going on here, but I think one of our DTs is a liar, and possibly using some scum info to pass it off. I mean, right now the role list sounds more like Conspiracy Theory mafia. I know it's nuts to WIFOM the host, but what the hell.
Either we believe this setup is absurd as hell, or we see how today's lynch goes and start looking at cases. I usually don't trust anyone, but starting now, I go into paranoia mode. Well either both me and Dropula is scum or bot of us is town. I know. And it sounds fucking crazy, but so does the setup people are suggesting we have here. Let's face it though, CD also sounds crazy. The only thing making me think it's plausible is the fact that you'd never agree to something insane like that, and you'd probably bus any idiot who ran it behind your back. If there's two DTs, it could explain the seeming excess of Millers, though. We really need to figure out what to do about this. It starts increasing the odds Talis really is a miller, to me, but you know how bad I hate letting a redcheck live. It's a sign of how sold I was on Talis's townieness that I'm even entertaining the notion of not lynching him.
So we have TWO redchecks. But it seems Jingle still actually wants to lynch talis and is barely entertaining the thought of Zephirdd. He's entertaining the notion of not lynching talis? You mean... Jingle may take his vote off his townread? Why isn't he all over Zeph like hotcakes?? No, Jingle only votes for Zeph after I lead the voting stream and a bunch of other people vote for him as well. Just wow.
Overall: Jingle is dong a poorly executed bus on VE where his townread becomes a scumread with little explanation. He does not push VE, and instead seeks outs (goes after CD instead). He has a townread on talis but is happy to lynch on the redcheck despite his read, and despite inconstencies I have pointed out. He is reluctant to vote for the other redcheck, Zeph, until pushed into it despite the fact he should have been all over it like a rash. I point out what I viewed as an inconsistency with VE back on page 85. Jingle goes nuts at me, and it is now clear why.
JingleHell is scum, and we must lynch him today.
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So, you ignore my mason logs with Talis completely, and you "prove" that you're town by talking about you believing Talis was town, you voting VE, and you voting Zeph.
Of course, I believed Talis was town, I tried to lynch VE days before it happened, and I was on the fence about Zeph for a while, until a solid case was made. But I'm scum, and you're town!
This case is absurd, and it's either scummy or a joke. Piss off.
If you want to convince me you're town, go for someone who's actually scummy, or at least make a case against me that doesn't ignore the majority of my filter.
If you people are actually crazy enough to listen to this shit, you deserve to lose to that guy.
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On August 15 2012 23:31 JingleHell wrote:
If you want to convince me you're town, go for someone who's actually scummy, or at least make a case against me that doesn't ignore the majority of my filter.
I don't give a shit what you think of me. The case speaks for itself.
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Basically you have managed to disprove nothing in my case, you're just calling it bad. You accuse me of ignoring your logs with talis when I clearly reference them.
You're out of your depth, kid.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=48#955
Go read, that. Notice how I seem to suddenly shift my opinion.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=56#1103
Then, actually READ my mason logs with Talis, and you'll see how it makes sense, as he explains shit to me.
But hey, you're wanting to lynch me, and just hand the game to scum. (Or win it for them). That's your choice, but if you think you're making a case against me, you're full of shit. Piss off. I won't waste any more time with answering your baseless accusations until you stop cherrypicking a tiny fraction of my filter, or trying to force an emotional response and acting like succeeding at it makes me scummy.
I could probably make your filter look just as bad, if you had one.
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You know what? Go fuck yourself, I'm not taking this shit from anyone who thinks calling me "kid" makes their case stronger.
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On August 15 2012 23:39 JingleHell wrote:
You know what? Go fuck yourself, I'm not taking this shit from anyone who thinks calling me "kid" makes their case stronger.
Me calling you kid has nothing to do with my case. It stands for itself.
Again, I referenced your logs with talismania re: Erandorr. Learn to read.
Anyway, not gonna get into mudslinging. Town, you can see my case for yourselves. You can see scum Jingle squirming like a little bitch. Let's do this.
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Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:44 Glasse wrote:On August 15 2012 12:49 BroodKingEXE wrote:Sorry took so long had to step out for a while. On August 04 2012 09:03 Erandorr wrote:
Come on skype for a bit bugs. Now please I legit thought this was the post Erandorr outed himself. Didnt see WBGs out. Glasse1) Glasse first makes a case on prphlz and outright claims his scum read to Talis. Yet right after the vote he has a post jumping off this stance: On August 05 2012 10:11 Glasse wrote:
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It was to be expected. As if he thought prpphlz was gonna roll town the whole time. 2) On August 05 2012 11:23 Glasse wrote:On August 05 2012 11:17 MrZentor wrote:I'll start defending myself once i have the majority of votes on me, i don't care if people are still suspicious about me, because for now i dont have to worry about town wasting a lynch since nobody is 100% confirmed. This is a quote from Glasse's last game, when he was innocent. + Show Spoiler +On August 03 2012 23:21 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 12:13 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 12:08 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm town.
for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. oh man I hope bc didn't link role names and actual roles. kinda bet he did though That could be kinda unfair for those like me who has no clue about mad men. I have no clue who the fuck roger sterling is and what it could imply. So the time was changed to 9pm, so i guess it's day until saturday at 9pm? Useless post. Talks about flavor and deadline. Seems like a token first post that townies wouldn't really care to make. So wondering if the characters had anything to do with roles is incriminating? I don't get it. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:27 Glasse wrote:
If the mason role is as important as some people are saying, calling them out only exposes them to mafia no? Non committal post. Asks if your opinions are okay. Scum are focused on how they appear while townies think things through and just say how they feel. Nothing to say here. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:On August 03 2012 22:29 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason? wherebugsgo might be full of shit, who knows? Spreading doubt and undermining wherebugsgo. I'm just saying how I feel about the whole mason thing going on. Of course I'm gonna spread doubt when I doubt his intentions. I want to know wtf hes up to and others might see the same thing and might be able to figure it out. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote:
Now tell me how and why you are town if you're really as town as town can be. Who is scum? I can't really tell you, I haven't even done anything yet so anything I would say would be completely useless. Can't claim anything other than being green. So you will have to take my word for it. Who is scum? No clue, I don't like this wherebugsgo guy though. But this game, Glasse defends himself once one person voted for him.
The problem is that the game is from a year and a half ago, but it's the only thing I can compare his current play to. This alone isn't much, but that coupled with his really weird filter makes him likely to be scum. I like to change my playstyle from game to game so people can't go meta on me. This doesn't make me more likely to be scum. Since you appear to be looking at my tl mafia history you can confirm what I just said if you want to. I don't think I've played many mafia games on here though, maybe like 3 or 4. If you look at his previous games his actual posting style is still one-linish, so I think this statement is a lie. What I do see is that he tries more when he is town(as the game goes on :3) From: Dont lose yo village mafia On November 18 2010 12:42 Glasse wrote:
no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate 3) It seems everytime we ask him questions he has a BS response like this: On August 11 2012 03:52 Glasse wrote:On August 11 2012 03:45 marvellosity wrote:On August 11 2012 03:43 Glasse wrote:On August 11 2012 03:36 marvellosity wrote:On August 11 2012 03:34 Glasse wrote:On August 11 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only SC colors work (red zerg, green toss and blue terran) A while ago we tried to get more colors for mafia but it was rejected. Tell me, and tell me right now, why you won't play properly. As far as I know I am not breaking any rules so I am playing properly. On August 10 2012 01:26 Glasse wrote:
This game is so weird, I don't think I've ever played one like this before. The atmosphere is just wrong.
I probably picked the wrong game to play this way. Oh well, can't stop now. This. Explain. Because an extra person to try to stop the chaos caused by the early part of the game would've been useful, but now it would just cause even more chaos if I started being more active which wouldn't help because some people think I'm scum and they would just waste more time on me. So I'm actually helping town right now, in some way. Lurking is helping the town -_-. If you look at all my tl mafia games you can see what I clearly change the way I play every game, just so people can't go meta on me. Don't waste your time trying to find something where there isn't anything, focus on finding actual scum.
What kind of answer is this? I obiviously didnt see it this first time so I wouldnt see it the second. You gonna respond with actual facts?
I was RB last night.
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I never voted... ##Vote:Glasse
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