EPTWhat did you mean in your PM when you said
" Thankfully, you weren't able to get me lynched so I can make up for my folly tonight.
Don't even TRY to shoot me, medics will be all over my shit after this night. "
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What did you mean in your PM when you said " Thankfully, you weren't able to get me lynched so I can make up for my folly tonight. Don't even TRY to shoot me, medics will be all over my shit after this night. " | ||
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That said, the NKs are fairly illuminating. Especially solstice - he was killed primarily because he's a good townie and he was correct about VE. Solstice and I were interchangeable for those purposes, but I am spared because VE is committed to getting me mislynched (a reasonable play given that he thinks he can rely on xsebt and synystyr's votes if they're town). His push on zephirdd is there because he knows there's support for it from dropula at least I guess. Who the mafia are: VE hassybaby BKE other two are somewhere in hier, glasse, dropula, synystyr I think. My bet is hier glasse at the moment. _________________ In response to VE: He set a trap by not talking about zephirdd? Ok... I'm just following up on anything and everything you say because I think you're scum. You said you were going to look at him again, therefore I wanted to know if you followed through on that as scum tend not to. I don't know zeph's alignment for sure but I do lean town. _________________ VisceraEyes is scum. (A) He makes lazy cases that are unresearched. Not just against me, but also against erandorr and against zephirdd. Read what I wrote about his case on me yesterday. (B) He REFUSED TO KEEP IN CONTACT VIA PMs WITH SOMEONE (1) AND HE THOUGHT THAT THAT PERSON WAS SCUM (2). Let me expand on that further - so you're a townie in VE's shoes. You think maybe I'm scum and that I'm connected with zephirdd. Therefore you set a trap... by refusing to talk to me about zephirdd???? Why, if I'm scum, do I keep haranguing a townie to find out what his read is on my scumbuddy??????????? Why the fuck would I care about that if I were scum? Especially because in that scenario, I'm trying to lynch the guy I'm haranguing. So why would I give a shit about how good his reads are on other people in my scum team? Why would I call attention to that? No. If you're townie, and you're a mason, and you suspect that the guy you're masoned with is scum you PRESS him. You don't set traps by NOT talking about a potential scumbuddy of your target. You re-engage. Ask questions. To hammer this point home: WHY STOP TALKING TO SOMEONE YOU THINK IS SCUM? How can that possibly help? VE isn't afraid of being manipulated, I know that. So why, after he switches back to thinking I'm scum, does he show no interest in talking anymore? (C) I just realized that VE accidentally might have just trapped himself with this zephirdd thing. To explain: he is claiming that he ignored my questions about zephirdd because he thought I was scum, and wanted to see what happened. Let's look at the first assertion he makes: All Talismania was interested in during the WHOLE of our conversations was my read on Zephirdd. + Show Spoiler + Our whole conversation was about zephirdd? Please. Firstly: Over the course of those conversations, I was left with the feeling that he wasn't REALLY after information at all - that he was looking for something specific…something that I'd referenced earlier in the game. If by this you mean "after some negligible small talk about irc and skype", the course of our conversation was this: You: what do you think about erandorr Me: I'm looking into him but think he's town for the most part. You: yeah here's why I think eran is scum. also here are my other scumreads, which I'm giving to you completely UNPROMPTED. Me: Oh, I'd like to hear more about that zephirdd guy since you mentioned him earlier in the thread as well. How the hell do you go from that to getting that the entire conversation was building up to me asking about zephirdd? It wasn't. VE brought zephirdd's name up, unprompted. Not me. It gets better though. My follow-up question about zephirdd was sent on August 7, 8:29. His reply about giving him some time to get home came August 7, 12:47. Then my follow up question since he didn't say anything in that reply about zeph, then he goes cold in PMs. Despite this, he makes the following post in the thread: On August 08 2012 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote: TBH I'm not sure - at first I thought he was town, but as the PMs dragged on it felt more like an inquisition - like his mind was made up already and that he was just like...gathering ammo or something. He never shared HIS thoughts on the people he asked about, simply asked me about them and then freaked out in-thread when I was a little late with response. I'm leaning town - just misguided, really really WRONG town. He's also posted that he's done in PMs. So he thinks I'm wrong town - yet when I ask him to just follow up on his read about zephirdd (after this post) he does nothing as a trap? How does that make sense? Like imagine you're a townie, and you think a wrong townie is on your case, possibly putting you in danger of being lynched. You ignore their questions? By the way, AFTER all those quotes of me asking about zephirdd he makes the following post addressed to me: On August 08 2012 08:06 VisceraEyes wrote: talis I'M NOT SCUM! Nothing is going to be clear because I'm not going to flip red! I'm going to flip Lane Pryce, Town Mason. Flip ACTUAL scum like Erand with me! Or clear out some of the background lurker noise, frankly I don't give a shit - but I'M town and I'M not going to flip red! Indicating that, at the very least, he still leans town on me. So during that entire period of ignoring my follow-up question to something he brought up he did not actually have a scumread on me. This "trap" was made up after the fact. It wasn't until after the lynch that he PMs me, saying that I "fooled" him and he was onto me and all that. (D) VE has very few doubts. In general, townies are unsure about their scumreads. Read through all of VE's scumreads. He's never uncertain. I don't know his meta on this point but at the very least I consider this a weak scumtell. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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toad if I'm reading between the lines correctly here you're saying that you mason'd CountDropula as he requested and he revealed that he had a red check on me? Did he call me a goon? Otherwise I don't see how he gets alignment. Why (if it is CD) does he check you - and did he get your alignment or how else did he claim to know your char name? Why didn't he check zephirdd? (If it was CD). My character name is Henry Francis, and I'm VT as far as I know. I claimed my char name early on in the thread here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=20#399 I doubt I'm a miller since 3 millers seems excessive (and what host makes all three of sloosh, wbg, and me millers? That's silly). Guess I could be though. He may have just guessed your char name. You've given a lot of hints. One of which is that you were listed as mafia in my fake setup thingie, but you said you were town. That limits the possibilities. The other is that you said that your character is "literally gonzaw" which limits them further. I would guess you as Pete Campbell based on that. __________ Logically I guess it goes like this: If he said I was a goon, then I'm either a miller or he's lying. If he said I was a roleblocker then he's lying. | ||
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Can you clarify exactly how DTs work in this game? It sounds like they only get roles on whom they check, not character names nor alignments. Specifically, DT checks townie = ? DT checks miller = ? DT checks goon = ? DT checks roleblocker = ? DT checks town mason = ? DT checks scum mason = ? DT checks godfather = ? DT checks medic = ? DT checks vigilante = ? | ||
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On August 05 2012 23:28 CountDropula wrote: Not a smurf, I'm new. Changing votes like that was a mistake. Honestly i was too hasty, and that's it. Made a mistake, but is it really that suspicious? | ||
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On August 10 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote: he said "Talis the mafia goon". That's all I'm going to say. huh. well at least this more or less proves that you're town unless you're way craftier than I remember. | ||
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On August 10 2012 04:27 JingleHell wrote: Would kinda eliminate the value of a smurf if you have to admit it, I think. Most of the times smurfs do play in public. But maybe that's at the host's discretion. | ||
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I'll let you know what I find.
