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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 18:06 GMT
#754
indeed, hence best to choose among the masons.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 18:09 GMT
#757
Ok thanks VE but can you expand on your thought process for picking bugs? Like you really wanted to make a friend to defend you so that you could focus on scumhunting? That was your motivation?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 18:11 GMT
#759
On August 06 2012 03:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 03:04 talismania wrote:
Toad Still would like to see those game notes of yours just to confirm that you were taking them

Hassybaby That goes for you too. Let's see your game notes :3

I think I already posted enough information so far. Some of my notes are already in the thread.

Read the initial post I did about VE? Those lines in the spoiler where directly copy & pasted.
Read the log between Eran and myself? When I explained why I consider him to be town, that's directly from my notes.


So there's stuff in the rest of your notes that you don't want seen yet? Why? (Genuine question I can think of legitimate reasons)

If you're just worried about clutter there's always spoiler tags.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 18:16 GMT
#763
Ok cool toad.

VE still waiting to hear you explain on your reasons for picking WBG:

On August 06 2012 03:09 talismania wrote:
Ok thanks VE but can you expand on your thought process for picking bugs? Like you really wanted to make a friend to defend you so that you could focus on scumhunting? That was your motivation?

talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 18:16 GMT
#764
ninja'd!
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 18:41 GMT
#766
Hmm kind of agree with strongandbig on biosc.

Biosc all I see in your filter is reactive posts. What are you reads?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 18:45 GMT
#767
On August 05 2012 21:00 XsebT wrote:
I agree that countdropula's voting pattern and reasoning during d1 is pointing towards scum. He is all over the place with his accusations. Lazermonkey's analysis points this out quite well.
Talismania, I was too inactive during d1, so a "default scum" accusation is probably in its place. If you keep having concerns, just ask me more direct questions. I'm not quite able to keep up with you guys when it comes to posting. I will be brief and to the point when posting.
That said, I don't know why you would throw out so many scum accusations so early on, while already in the spotlight with wbg from d1. You should fear for your own survival in this game. If you're town, I consider the accusations a bad move.


Direct question then:

Who do you think is scum and why?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 19:11 GMT
#770
strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 19:12 GMT
#771
On August 06 2012 04:06 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2012 09:11 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I have a problem with the top two lynch candidates.

WBG: calling out the mason was a good move in my book. But it doesn't make shit sense from the scum POV, scum can kill him regardless of whether or not the town knows the mason. His feud with Eran seems to be long standing and I could believe bugs could get frustrated and rage.

prplphz: Although his play has been poor I agree with his initial case against Glasse. Glasse's play was poor and lynch worthy at the time. Furthermore this lynch seems too much like a wagon on an inactive.

I feel much more comfortable lynching Eran. Seems like he could be mason scum manipulating bugs, looking to create trouble. He said himself he wanted to create a scumhunting environment, yet he helps initiate a shitstorm in a mason PM.

This post is also super scummy. He throws doubt on the two main lynch candidates, but his alternative is... Erandorr? If he wanted an actual switch it was going to take way more than that. This reads more to me like scum not wanting to be on a town lynch of prplhz or wbg if he's town, and not wanting to lynch his buddy if wbg is scum.


I start reading the thread about 3 hours before the vote, when the was basically 4 people active. Im not expecting a flood of people to switch last minute -_-. The post was made more to explain why I didn't like the two lynch canidates.



Is Erandorr still your only scumread?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 19:20 GMT
#773
uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 19:40 GMT
#775
My questions are never designed to directly lead to scum. I will use the information they generate but it's not going to happen right away.

Motives for my questions:

1) I notice something strange/scummy that I want to track down
2) I want people that I think might both be scum to talk about each other
3) I want inactive people to get more active
4) I want people to post more and more reads

There's never a plan. It's just turn over as many rocks as possible and see what I find.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 20:10 GMT
#779
So are you leaning scum on me or ? I see that you're pointing out a bunch of stuff I've done but usually that's in the context of "I think you're scum" not "I don't know what you are but be more like what I think a townie should be like".

In response,

1) I asked erandorr that I think because he came in and started distracting the thread from prp's case on glasse and I was wondering if there was anything to it. I was suspicious of toad as well at that point but I can't remember why I asked that specific question.

2) Well those were my thoughts at the time lol. I've changed my mind on zephirdd, moved from scum to neutral on glasse, and from town to neutral leaning scum on strongandbig. oh and my mind is changed on toad too. the way he played his mason role is really cunning if he's scum. Not out of the question for him but enough to give me pause.

3) Yeah don't make much of the character-fishing. I was half-convinced it would lead somewhere (always looking for shortcuts) but more was chasing the glory of calling the game from people's names. Doesn't seem like that will happen though lol.

4) Well I don't think all my questions are "tunneling" since tunneling is like digging one hole and staying in it. I'm digging lots of holes all over the place. What's wrong with that anyway?

5) Sloosh is a townie boyscout. that's his meta and he's playing to it. He may be scum I guess but I doubt it. He's active and corrals people towards lynches. If he's town, he should be a highpriority target. I also want him protected out of self-interest since if he dies people are going to push my lynch and that's going to be really annoying to deal with.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 20:27 GMT
#788
On August 06 2012 05:16 JingleHell wrote:
I love how the people who railroaded votes onto prphlz are out for blood from anyone who thought Erandorr was a better read.


Yo can you poke your head out of the erandorr tunnel and give some other scumreads?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 20:31 GMT
#789
sloosh is back!

disagree about DTs not checking masons. We have four masons. No one else is claiming being masoned so either scum didn't use theirs or they're in the four. What's wrong with DT check? It also guarantees avoiding millers and GFs.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 20:41 GMT
#793
oh nvm I completely take back the thing about DT checks I forgot they are rolecops not alignment cops in this setup.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 05 2012 22:37 GMT
#803
toad it seems they actually got to choose all of their roles, inlcuding who gets RB and GF. RB and GF can't be the same person, but RB and GF can both be masons. So presumably a GF could elect to be seen as a mason, and actually be a mason. Dunno why they would do that though when you could give a goon mason and make him essentially a GF as well as far as the DT is concerned.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 06 2012 01:32 GMT
#820
On August 06 2012 10:22 Glasse wrote:
Only 2 people died, interesting...


You have the most suspicious posts and post timing when it comes to deadlines I swear.

But to state the obvious instead of implying it:

Did anyone take a vig shot last night?

I kinda doubt that scum shot grush. I think they double-stacked sloosh.

Also, I was roleblocked.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 06 2012 01:35 GMT
#822
Apparently so, yes.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 06 2012 01:59 GMT
#824
Given that I was roleblocked I think they were concerned at the least about me being a medic and protecting sloosh. Since you know I stated three times during the night phase for the medics to protect him, because he was clearly the top target. I think it's fairly likely they double-stacked on him.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 06 2012 02:36 GMT
#826
very good question Erandorr. The post you reference is below in case anyone else missed it.

On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, everyone STOP.

This lynch on WBG is not happening.

Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit.

I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY.

##Vote: talismania

I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really?

I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo.


_____________

also VE I will respond to you in a bit but can you please give me your opinion on strongandbig?
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