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I'm not cherrypicking what I want to answer, if I missed something feel free to bring it back up (as you've been doing) rather than underhandedly accuse me of shit. This is how people get fucking pissed off Erand.
1) His reads / willingness to discuss them with me
2) Why did this warrant a number? If you want to accuse me of shit then just fucking accuse me of shit. No I didn't miss it, I don't give a FUCK what your accusation against Bugs is about, my accusation against YOU DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE MASON SHIT SO I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT IT'S ABOUT BETWEEN YOU AND BUGS
3) WIFOM. Easy enough to say this after the fact, but considering your reaction to him doing something predictable, I feel my prediction is more accurate than your explanation here. Thanks though, that was pseudo-informative.
4) WIFOM. I don't care what you think makes sense "if you're scum". However, the fact that you've put thought and effort into explaining that reads scummy regardless. So thanks I guess?
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On August 05 2012 00:56 Erandorr wrote:
Oh also I am not pissing at him in PMs. He is making it sound like that , isn't he?
I was still trying to ask him questions after he called me worthless for the 30th time.
On August 05 2012 06:18 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 05:48 strongandbig wrote:On August 05 2012 05:38 slOosh wrote:On August 05 2012 05:36 strongandbig wrote:On August 05 2012 04:57 slOosh wrote:On August 05 2012 04:53 strongandbig wrote:On August 05 2012 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also the people who think I willingly brought attention to myself are funny. I didn't fully think of the repercussions when I outted the masons in terms of thread presence but I also didn't account for the fact that many people who have different opinions will consider opposing viewpoints as scummy (because they are incapable of understanding that different does not mean scum) if you're town then your play this game has been fucking terrible. i guess maybe you have irl shit but that's really the only explanation i could accept for why you've been playing the way you have instead of how you normally play. like, i usually have a lot of respect for how you play but if you're town this game you're being both stupid and an asshole, and i don't feel like sitting here and taking your shit. He got pissed off and it resulted in some unwanted behavior. Move on - do you have any objections to a talismania lynch? forgot to answer this. My objection to a talismania lynch is that it's not a wbg lynch. I don't understand why his recent behavior makes people think he's town. I don't see how it's alignment indicative. Read his PM log with Erandorr. Try to approach it from a "what is scum WBG trying to accomplish with his actions" rather than a "is WBG playing as well as what I envision a town WBG would play like". Just finished reading it. So you're thinking about this wrong. wbg's play isn't accomplishing objectives when he gets into this fight with errandor and starts raging everywhere. As I've said before, I think that scum wbg would be just as upset at the prospect of getting lynched for what he sees as shitty reasons as town wbg would. What I see in that pm log is just what wbg said it was - no serious attempt to persuade, except to persuade erandor that he's stupid. So no, I don't see that chat log as alignment indicative, I see it as "wbg being in a really bad mood for some out of game reason" indicative. Look at his play before the fight between him and erandorr, that's where we have things that are actually valid to analyze. Could you guys also please look at the "fight" where i try really hard to actually do stuff and he insults me about 100 times.
On August 05 2012 07:26 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +I really still think Erandorr is the best read.
He starts with this gem, voting on Bugs for no reason at all. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm not a fan of votes for literally no reason, as they don't create functional discussion, and could cause trouble, or be used as cover later.
On August 03 2012 11:37 Erandorr wrote:
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lets start this game right
## VOTE: WBG Its a joke I make in quite a few games I play with WBG. Feel free to check, I won't do it for you. Show nested quote +Most of page 2 of his filter is nonsensical babble or ad homs.
He masons onto WBG after WBG outs VE, as "proof" WBG is outing masons. Or maybe to get himself confirmed as a role in hopes he gets some BOTD.
He throws out personal attacks against anyone who disagrees with him repeatedly, an example:
On August 03 2012 23:58 Erandorr wrote:
Yo you guys. You actually don't use "reason" or "arguments" you just sit there and talk shit. If you disagree with me, point out mistakes you think I made instead of shitting out terrible posts What I am posting below is the post I was referring to. Would you not agree that my outburst was warranted, considering this example? Is there any way you would call that post below anything else that "shit" or "terrible" ? Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:
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I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. oh oh oh I know why not hammer him right now! Deadline is on saturday. No one is lynched until then. You can't hammer someone right now Epic defense against Hier. Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 08:23 Erandorr wrote:
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Dear god I hope you are trolling
Did you read Hiers case? Do you agree with the points he made? Because that one is so terrible I honestly didnt even think I would have to reply to that one. Which blithely ignores certain parts of the log, like Show nested quote +
ME: its about you playing like complete dogshit
ME: you are playing like shit
ME: your logic is really bad
[04.08.12 13:03:32] ME: the one where you got killed
[04.08.12 13:03:42] ME: cause you fucked up as scum?
[04.08.12 13:03:57] ME: okay sry i just thought that was funny
Those are some brilliant examples of attempting productivity, and keeping it calm.
I assume you have read the entire log. Did you notice that he insulted me about 100 times before that? And the one time I get so upset as to say what I do in the quote I INSTANTLY APOLOGIZE?I mean seriously, this shit here borders on malicious. Now would you mind telling us why you have not said a single word about the WBG case? What are your thoughts on him? It is a bit strange to not mention something that has been talked about for like 20 pages. Would you also mind telling us what you think about talismania? You already gave the 1 line that were your thoughts about prplhz, so I don't have to ask that as well! I have answered every point of your case against me, if there is something that you are still not convinced about , please let me know. Now how about you start talking about people who may actually get lynched today 
On August 05 2012 09:49 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 09:11 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I have a problem with the top two lynch candidates.
WBG: calling out the mason was a good move in my book. But it doesn't make shit sense from the scum POV, scum can kill him regardless of whether or not the town knows the mason. His feud with Eran seems to be long standing and I could believe bugs could get frustrated and rage.
prplphz: Although his play has been poor I agree with his initial case against Glasse. Glasse's play was poor and lynch worthy at the time. Furthermore this lynch seems too much like a wagon on an inactive.
I feel much more comfortable lynching Eran. Seems like he could be mason scum manipulating bugs, looking to create trouble. He said himself he wanted to create a scumhunting environment, yet he helps initiate a shitstorm in a mason PM. are you. fucking . serious. When someone else opens your pm conversation with "ur bad never play a game of mafia ever again "Then how exactly am I initiating a shitstorm. Since no one except Wbg or Prplhz will get lynched, I will keep my vote on bugs. Also make some effort reading that thing before posting something like that. I am completely fine discussing actual facts, but this feels like I am up against fox news or something. Fuck facts when you can make random statements look like the truth amirite? Broodking. Is that your best case? No this is not an OMGUS, you refute big cases on 2 players without even adressing the points of why people think they are scum. Then you call out me for that? "I look like I could be a scum mason manipulating bugs" and follow up with something that is completely wrong. I mean.. seriously?
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I'll show you "moron" you little shit!
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Get ur votes off me and onto Erand. Failure to do so I will treat as a scumclaim.
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Talis we're done in PMs - I've wasted enough time in PMs and now people think I'm scum for it. No longer.
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TBH I'm not sure - at first I thought he was town, but as the PMs dragged on it felt more like an inquisition - like his mind was made up already and that he was just like...gathering ammo or something. He never shared HIS thoughts on the people he asked about, simply asked me about them and then freaked out in-thread when I was a little late with response.
I'm leaning town - just misguided, really really WRONG town.
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@SnB
*shrug*
With no town leader I'll either be mislynched or we'll no-lynch at this point. I'm just waiting for the hammer to fall while I read filters. I suggest if you're going to lynch me you start talking about someone else because I'm going to flip town. I'll give you some leads to follow up on when I flip.
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Nothing "just happens" Jingle, I have to take actions in order for there to be "proper behavior" to judge. Taking the actions is what I refer to as "establishing innocence". You're arguing semantics in an attempt to justify a vote on me.
Vote for Errand Jingle, he's scum and I intend to prove it.
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I'd like Bugs' input as well - I'm willing to lynch Bugs based on his activity this day considering he was a TOP candidate yesterday. I thought he was town, but I can't see a town Bugs phoning in this day after being on the block yesterday...doesn't add up.
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Toad can you be convinced to vote for Erandorr? I think that's the only way I live this day.
I intend to make a case on the guy, but your post reads like at least you don't need much convincing.
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Thx. I'll try and change that with my case then.
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There's nothing there to refute. You say I'm not scumhunting but my logs with Bugs show that I was, in fact, scumhunting. You say my 'attitude' but fail to say what about my attitude leads you to believe that I'm scum. You say you didn't like the reason I gave for thinking you're scum. Sorry I guess, but you're right - it wasn't very good and I've since realized it.
Other than that, what would you have me say? It's lacking yet convincing in this inactive town. It's not a thing where I CAN'T refute it, it's a thing where I haven't bothered to refute it.
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I can get behind a bioSC/synstyr/MrZentor lurker lynch today if I'm the alternative - but I prefer to see Erandorr walk.
Bugs, you say a hallmark of Erandorr's scum play is his laziness. Can I ask what amount of energy it takes to bullshit with someone you were gonna bullshit with anyway playing DotA or something?
+ Show Spoiler +Also I miss you on LoL - I get sick of people raging when I feed. You just took it like a champ.
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He's implying several scum motivations for your post Bugs.
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Hassy and BKE have at least shown tertiary interest in the game talis. The other three have not.
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Because it's not possible that he goes through and reads syn's posts himself and comes to a different conclusion, right Toad? -.-
Like, you conveniently left that off your list of possibilities, which given the timing and complete 180 I'd say is THE MOST likely scenario. Why do you assume those three scum-motivated responses are the only three that are possible?
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On August 08 2012 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hassy and BKE have at least shown tertiary interest in the game talis. The other three have not.
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Incredible.
Welp, since the reads of the dead go entirely ignored in this game, I'm done here. Good luck - the scum team is going to have you going round and round and round. I bet you a million dollars that once I flip town you guys will lynch Bugs - and I bet a further million that he'll flip town.
Good luuuuuuck.
*smooches*
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Man, slOosh was like, TOTALLY sure I was town. I guess no one finds it...ODD that one of his stronger town-reads just HAPPENS to be one of the lynch candidates today...the day AFTER he's not around to smack the shit out of the wagon leaders HOLY PISS THE WAGON LEADERS ARE SLOOSH'S SCUMREADS WELL TARNATION!! Now that is a coincidence. You know what else is a coincidence? The fact that Erandorr happened to flipflop on me after my read on him and after slOosh flipped town. That's a coincidence too, surely.
BUT HEY, KEEP DOIN WHAT YOU'RE DOIN GUYS IT'S WORKING OUT! I PROMISE!
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On August 08 2012 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Man, slOosh was like, TOTALLY sure I was town. I guess no one finds it...ODD that one of his stronger town-reads just HAPPENS to be one of the lynch candidates today...the day AFTER he's not around to smack the shit out of the wagon leaders HOLY PISS THE WAGON LEADERS ARE SLOOSH'S SCUMREADS WELL TARNATION!! Now that is a coincidence. You know what else is a coincidence? The fact that Erandorr happened to flipflop on me after my read on him and after slOosh flipped town. That's a coincidence too, surely.
BUT HEY, KEEP DOIN WHAT YOU'RE DOIN GUYS IT'S WORKING OUT! I PROMISE! even if you're scum, don't try reasoning with these guys. They can't understand the most basic of logic. It's fruitless.
BUT THIS GAME ISN'T OVER BUGS WE CAN STILL WIN
WE JUST GOTTA TAKE THE POWAH BACK!!!
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talis I'M NOT SCUM! Nothing is going to be clear because I'm not going to flip red! I'm going to flip Lane Pryce, Town Mason. Flip ACTUAL scum like Erand with me! Or clear out some of the background lurker noise, frankly I don't give a shit - but I'M town and I'M not going to flip red!
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