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On August 05 2012 00:18 strongandbig wrote:
why the either/or? vet balance concerns or what?
Nah could actually be both being mafia as well. It's more like "one of them has to be mafia"
I actually considered Prplhz to be the better lynch candidate yesterday but as people seem to think WBG is scummy like I do and at the same time don't seem to agree on prplhz (except for WBG) I'm a bit more okay with lynching WBG first. I guess I'm paranoid right now because there's so much stuff that makes no sense 
If WBG really flips town we at least know his assertion on prplhz being 95% sure mafia was honest, while people like me think the same way.
If WBG flips mafia I'll have to check wether WBG was just trying to gett off the hook or doing something else.
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On August 05 2012 01:03 Hassybaby wrote:
The way I see it about bugs right now, two things come to mind:
1. Bugs is getting annoyed for a genuine reason in the mason.
2. Bugs is getting annoyed for the sake of getting annoyed.
I'm leaning towards the latter right now, but I'd like to see the logs to see if there's a real reason for him being annoyed, but it still doesn't explain his mason play.
That's pretty much it.
Bugs IS insulting and he IS pissed as town when someone gets on his nerves.
As mafia he's not but he's trying to look as though he is, so he has to fake it.
If bugs is mad for no reason he is faking it and therefore mafia.
If there is a genuine reason to be frustrated / mad he could be both town or mafia.
From what I saw in the thread his frustration looks awfully faked because there's no reason to freak out like that.
Which means he either fakes it or something is happening in PM-land.
I'd rather know about that kind of thing BEFORE we lynch so eran or WBG pretty please post the logs?
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On August 05 2012 02:32 talismania wrote:
Yo toad still waiting for why you think zephirdd is scum. he's moved up from rainbow to full color now I see. And you've yet to make a post on him. Also how did ghost403 get on your list?
yo talis still waiting for you to post something that has something to do with what we're talking about.
I still haven't posted something about Zeph because he started out as one of the minor reads and if the latest issue of my list turns out to be wrong he's the I could be wrong about, or Ghost for that matter.
Zephirdd is not going to get lynched and I don't think it would be wise to lynch him right now although I think he's probably mafia. I'm just way more sure on WBG and Prplhz.
Posting a case on Zeph would just distract everything right now so stop asking everyone (me) about everyone else and my opinion on them and instead do something yourself.
I get that you like asking questions and that's usually a towntreat but doing nothing but asking questions at all really isn't.
I still want to see the log between Eran and WBG.
If at least one of you two guys is town (I highly think so) there is no reason not to post it and it would maybe help us figure things out no matter of WBGs alignment.
And I'd rather have it posted before one of you is dead so that we can confirm it's the real thing.
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just a random mention:
It's 20:00 my time, that's CEST and there's a shitton of people who haven't voted yet. Get in here and vote.
The guys from Europe won't be around at the deadline. Probably not even close to the deadline.
So if you're waiting for something because it's still "so much time" until deadline: Stop it and get in here asap. The deadlines are horrible for europeans.
Oh and @Talis: Keep cool about Zeph. I can actually prove I had him on my radar way before I even mentioned him the first time. WBG's not the only one who got masoned.
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On August 05 2012 03:27 slOosh wrote:
It's 7 on WBG (self votes don't count), and I'm thinking it's plurality voting since that's the only place you would resolve ties. SO just gotta make sure he has the highest vote count.
yeah I forgot about the plurality. It looks like plurality or simple majority but who knows, that kind of stuff is wrong quite often in OP's because people forget to change it.
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On August 04 2012 00:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments.
For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits:
One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments.
Two, they're both awful as town.
Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence.
from log
[04.08.12 13:19:16] WBG: between VE and myself everyone else on the roster is terrible at town
[04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: therefore any other shot
[04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: is bad
Got it. Everyone is awful as town.
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I don't really know what to make of the pm-log.
I agree with slOosh that it looks to be genuine but I still don't understand why. It's like "BAM I'm here and fuck you" out of nowhere. So I don't really get why they had this mud fight. I don't see a reason to be that insulting in the thread and I don't see a reason to be like that in the log either.
There's a couple of things in there I'm having problems with, like the one I just quoted in my most recent post.
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I actually don't care about who get's lynched first. As already mentioned I wanted to lynch prplhz first yesterday but noone seemed to like that idea so yeah I'd be up for that as well.
I'm having some issues with wbg like conflicting reads which made me question the lynch and which is the reason I wanted to see the logs as well.
The log is highly weird but it's something and it seems to be genuinely pissed, although I don't know why.
I'd be up to lynching either prplhz / WBG / Talis, in that order although I don't think it makes that much of a difference at this point. The order really only gets to be important once we're talking about my 4th and 5th reads because I consider them to be way weaker than what I got on prplhz / WBG / Talis.
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On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote:
Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes?
Completely cool with you?
kind of, although I'd slightly prefere prplhz's name in there.
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what about this?
We lynch Mr 95% mafia: Prplhz
I said he's mafia. Erandorr seems to agree, WBG posted most recently that he thinks prplhz is mafia as well, sloOsh thinks prplhz is mafia and prplhz thinks WBG is town, which is REALLY odd unless he wants to tell people later "told ya", which is one of the reasons I am questioning the wbg lynch.
If Prplhz flips mafia we're all happy.
If Prplhz flips town we lynch/shoot WBG + talis
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On August 05 2012 05:01 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 04:57 Toadesstern wrote:
what about this?
We lynch Mr 95% mafia: Prplhz
I said he's mafia. Erandorr seems to agree, WBG posted most recently that he thinks prplhz is mafia as well, sloOsh thinks prplhz is mafia and prplhz thinks WBG is town, which is REALLY odd unless he wants to tell people later "told ya", which is one of the reasons I am questioning the wbg lynch.
If Prplhz flips mafia we're all happy.
If Prplhz flips town we lynch/shoot WBG + talis I don't understand your aversion to the talis lynch. We already got some votes on him, and he has been at the top of your scum list from the start of the game. Any reason why you want to do it in this specific order?
Prplhz gives information on prplhz and wbg.
Talis gives information on Talis.
That's pretty much it.
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On August 05 2012 05:05 slOosh wrote:Oh. Then I'm gonna ask you to come over to the talis lynch, solely for the sake of consolidation. WBG is town as town can be. I'd totally back a d2 prplhz lynch too (or n1 shot but I aint no vig )
It's something like this:
I said Talis is mafia
I said WBG is mafia
and I said Prplhz is mafia
People agreed with what I said about wbg.
Pretty much no one agreed with what I said about Prplhz
Literally noone agreed with what I said about Talis.
The two people who masoned me would prefere a Prplhz lynch as far as I can tell as well.
I'm going to be afk for an hour or something like this. If people think Talis is the better move I'll vote talis, if people think prplhz is the better move I'll vote prplhz. I think prplhz is marginally better and it's only 22:00 my time. Waiting until 23:00 shouldn't be a problem to see what people think.
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On August 05 2012 05:14 talismania wrote:
actually that's a legit point toad who do think is scummiest: VE, Eran, Mason A, Mason B (A and B masoned you)? Do you think all of them are town?
if one of them had to be mafia?
A or B. I consider it highly likely that mafia would mason someone who says "I'm against outing masons" like I did instead of masoning someone else. So if there's only 4 masons in the game I'd say it's quite likely that one of those 2 who masoned me is mafia.
However I don't know how many masons there are. I know of 4 and I wasn't the only one who said he's not going to out masons. I'm going to post logs prior to the n1 deadline though.
If someone else. who happened to be very vocal about not outing masons got masoned as well and we have a "Mason C" somewhere or even a "Mason D" not using his mason power that might change the whole assumption.
If we only have 4 masons one of the 2 guys on me has to be mafia imo but there's no reason to believe there are only 4 masons in this game right now. Or at least nothing that indicates that it's that way and I don't plan on lynching 2 mason for the lulz just to figure out there was a 5th mason.
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On August 05 2012 05:36 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 05:27 Toadesstern wrote:On August 05 2012 05:14 talismania wrote:
actually that's a legit point toad who do think is scummiest: VE, Eran, Mason A, Mason B (A and B masoned you)? Do you think all of them are town? if one of them had to be mafia? A or B. I consider it highly likely that mafia would mason someone who says "I'm against outing masons" like I did instead of masoning someone else. So if there's only 4 masons in the game I'd say it's quite likely that one of those 2 who masoned me is mafia. However I don't know how many masons there are. I know of 4 and I wasn't the only one who said he's not going to out masons. I'm going to post logs prior to the n1 deadline though. If someone else. who happened to be very vocal about not outing masons got masoned as well and we have a "Mason C" somewhere or even a "Mason D" not using his mason power that might change the whole assumption. If we only have 4 masons one of the 2 guys on me has to be mafia imo but there's no reason to believe there are only 4 masons in this game right now. Or at least nothing that indicates that it's that way and I don't plan on lynching 2 mason for the lulz just to figure out there was a 5th mason. Just discern what they are trying to accomplish with their PMs whether they are trying to sway the lynch one direction over the other etc. Because I really want to lynch talis but more important than that is that we consolidate our votes and hit either prplhz or talis. Or WBG if you really, really, really still think he is scum.
I still think WBG is a good lynch and it's very much possible that this frustration was a charade when we're talking about WBG. I don't think he's the best lynch though, because I have reads that are conflicting with my Mafia-Bugs-read and because I have to assume this frustration was a charade to be able to talk about him as a possible mafia.
Ockham's razor clearly tells me to lynch either into Prplhz or Talis at this point and assume WBG is genuinely pissed right now but I'm not going to say he's looking town because if we're talking about WBG he IS able to fake something like that and it was "just" an hour. You should have seen what he went through in the famous VE vs Toad game when he was town, but he didn't have finals back than.
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Ok let's make prplhz happen
##vote prplhz
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wat? the guys I'm in chat with are outed somewhere? Where? Did I miss something?
Or was it just about Talis saying "yeah figured you got masoned" ?
If he mentioned a name somewhere it's probably wrong because I can't remember something lol
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On August 05 2012 06:37 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 06:32 Toadesstern wrote:
wat? the guys I'm in chat with are outed somewhere? Where? Did I miss something?
Or was it just about Talis saying "yeah figured you got masoned" ?
If he mentioned a name somewhere it's probably wrong because I can't remember something lol No names, but the fact that he is drawing attention to that you got masoned, when I have no recollection of you saying that (if you did then I missed it). It's like seeing someone act like detective and pointing it out to everyone in thread.
Well I don't actually mind that because I wanted that to happen anyways, although it's kinda troublesome from his pov, as you say.
I said I've been masoned for a reason. I was honest when I said I'm against outing masons, why I am against it and I did not fake that.
But when I thought about it I realized that it's probably a nice trap as well so I've been really vocal about how I don't plan on outing masons, hoping that a shitton of people mason me, especially people who don't want to be outed.
The "plan" always has been to see what people are like in PM-land and than decide myself who should be outed and who should not be outed. I recently decided to just post everything during n1, so it slightly changed and I didn't slip or post that because of him but because I wanted to.
Everything's fine :p
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Repost for all the zombies out there:
also vote prplhz
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