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So let’s take a look at this excellent mafia orchestra!
Here I posted a visual aid displaying Day 1 mason targets. It seemed weird that a PM chain of four players had formed. Erandorr and Toad made sense; Errandor for reasons I may, or may not, have outlined here, and Toad masons Erandorr to find out what he’s up to. Hassy, on the other hand had no business masoning Toad, since he shouldn’t know about Toad masoning anybody. He was virtually a lurker up until that point, and throughout most of the day, yet he chose Toad out of 25 people to mason.
The contact between Hassy and Toad was established only after Toad PMed Erandorr. Hassy, it turns out, knew about Toad probing Erandorr, so he decided to probe Toad to keep him in check; to make sure Toad isn’t getting any crazy ideas, like Erandorr being mafia or anything silly like that.
If you take a look at the log between Hassy and Toad, the first thing Hassy starts to talk about is WBG and Erandorr. Hassy then gives 3 possible explanations for Erandorr’s mason move, and, before Toad even answers, suggests that the most plausible scenario is the one that makes Erandorr look town, albeit a stubborn one.
What a classic brainwashing technique by Hassy the Mobster. I will copy that move in the future. Because it’s good.
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So what makes WBG innocent in my eyes?
I’ve gone through the WBG-Erandorr log, and this is what I found.
+ Show Spoiler [Part of WBG-Erandorr log] +[04.08.12 13:20:49] WBG: the only reason I am in this game
[04.08.12 13:20:51] WBG: is as a favor to BC
[04.08.12 13:21:00] ME: fuck if you are town with this game
[04.08.12 13:21:05] WBG: also
[04.08.12 13:21:06] ME: there will be a lot of people shouting at you :D
[04.08.12 13:21:09] WBG: I've been requesting town
[04.08.12 13:21:10] WBG: for fucking
[04.08.12 13:21:12] WBG: 3 months
The above is only mentioned once by WBG. This is how I see it: WBG has been playing on the mafia side often, and wanted to play town for a long time. He now has exams and would like to concentrate on them, instead of playing mafia. CB, however, drags him into this game because of some favour and gives him the town role. WBG gets pissed off because he got the alignment he wanted, but at the worst possible moment. He doesn’t have time to concentrate on mafia and truly let his town skills shine. Further, two people mason him, one of which is Erandorr; the person that very frequently tunnels him in mafia games (stated by him on multiple occasions). This pisses WBG off even further; he didn’t care about this game to begin with, and now has to fend off a barrage of players poking at his brain, against which he cannot show his best town play because he is preoccupied with exams. And as far as I could tell, WBG prizes his reputation as a good mafia player very highly (Mafia 47 wasn’t his best foot).
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These are my reads:
WBG
Toad
Erandorr
Hassy the Mobster
Talis
Although Talis isn't involoved in that particular circle, he has made so many questionable moves that I cannot ignore him. I've described some points here and here. Toad is up there on the assumption that mafia players don't mason mafia players.
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On August 08 2012 08:34 s0Lstice wrote:
Hier, stop with the connection theories until after we get a scum flip k?
Aww. Okay.jpg
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On August 08 2012 09:39 Zephirdd wrote:
Also, fuck this VE wagon. Erandorr is full of shit. VE(as well as WBG) have been using logic more than anyone out there --'
Soooo yeah.
Oh, come on. I was the first to call out Erandorr for his mason using more than one line. Does anyone even read my posts?
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So, how about those mason logs for Day 2? Out of 5 conversations we know about (assuming no Mason abstained from using their role) we have only one log, between VE and Talis. Where are the other 4? Even the unknown Mason from Day 1.
Talis? Would you like to share anything? Would anyone care to share anything?
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On August 08 2012 10:43 talismania wrote:
Medics - Listen to me tonight please! Choose your protection targets between me, solstice, and strongandbig
Vigilatnes: If you aren't modkilled (think BioSC might be one) then shoot VE.
So let me get this straight. You want medics to protect only the people that voted for VE. You also want VGs to kill VE. Aren't you putting too many of town's eggs into the basket designated by you?
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Are we going to get a VG shot claim this time?
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On August 10 2012 01:33 talismania wrote:
If he said I was a roleblocker then he's lying.
Perhaps I missed it, but who ever mentioned you being a roleblocker?
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On August 10 2012 06:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
WTF? So a DT checked talis and claimed it THROUGH you Toad? Is that what I'm reading here?
Can you clarify that a bit because if it's legit I'm switching my vote... kind of. Although I can't tell wether or not the guy is telling me that because he IS a DT or because he's a goon himself trying to get a final ML today. I'm trying to ignore it right now and thinking of other possibilities 
Did you mason him? Or did he mason you?
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Talis, or we can lynch you today, after Xsebt gets modkilled and flips town DT, sounds good? You kind of assume you are a miller.
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On August 10 2012 10:16 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 10:13 Hier wrote:
Talis, or we can lynch you today, after Xsebt gets modkilled and flips town DT, sounds good? You kind of assume you are a miller. No, no modkill. Town didn't get the modkill of hassy, you guys don't get the modkill of xsebt. BC has been lenient and fair. My bet is xsebt didn't even know he was breaking the rules. He probably misunderstood how masons work. Lord knows he hasn't been paying that close of attention to the thread.
Regardless, you believed Toad about Xsebt being a DT and about what he revealed. Your lynch still makes sense.
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On August 10 2012 10:57 talismania wrote:Thanks, gratz on getting lucky with me being miller.
Ok so, wait. I must have missed the memo. You think I'm scum purely based on the fact that I think that you being scum is more likely than you being a miller? Because I saw no accusations from you before this point. That kind of makes you look more scummy.
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It's bring your DT to school day.
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Are we going to assume Zeph is a miller?
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What if Lazer is town? What if potential scum CD picked 2 town players to pretend to have investigations on. How about we lynch Talis today, announce that we are protecting Xsebt with medics, and have him investigate VE. If CD survives the night, that means he is mafia. If he dies, then we get a DT flip, confirming his reads. We then get Xsebt's read on VE, who doesn't die in the night. Sounds good?
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On August 11 2012 06:27 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 06:25 Hier wrote:
What if Lazer is town? What if potential scum CD picked 2 town players to pretend to have investigations on. How about we lynch Talis today, announce that we are protecting Xsebt with medics, and have him investigate VE. If CD survives the night, that means he is mafia. If he dies, then we get a DT flip, confirming his reads. We then get Xsebt's read on VE, who doesn't die in the night. Sounds good? No, it can't be that way. He knew my name and I havn't said it in the thread.
In that case you are both town, with him being DT, or you are both scum. In that case his reads are flipped, if he is lying.
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On August 11 2012 06:27 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 06:25 Hier wrote:
What if Lazer is town? What if potential scum CD picked 2 town players to pretend to have investigations on. How about we lynch Talis today, announce that we are protecting Xsebt with medics, and have him investigate VE. If CD survives the night, that means he is mafia. If he dies, then we get a DT flip, confirming his reads. We then get Xsebt's read on VE, who doesn't die in the night. Sounds good? ahaha you should check with your qt before posting something like that =P
QT? QuickTime?
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On August 11 2012 06:31 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 06:31 Hier wrote:On August 11 2012 06:27 talismania wrote:On August 11 2012 06:25 Hier wrote:
What if Lazer is town? What if potential scum CD picked 2 town players to pretend to have investigations on. How about we lynch Talis today, announce that we are protecting Xsebt with medics, and have him investigate VE. If CD survives the night, that means he is mafia. If he dies, then we get a DT flip, confirming his reads. We then get Xsebt's read on VE, who doesn't die in the night. Sounds good? ahaha you should check with your qt before posting something like that =P QT? QuickTime? quicktopic, the thing you are using to talk to your scummates. herpderp
Oh right, I forgot, Talis called me scum because I chose the side that is more statistically probable.
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On August 11 2012 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
Scum magically knowing the roles of two otherwise unknown players is statistically probably?! What are you smoking?
Are you even following the thread?
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On August 11 2012 06:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
Hier you're entire statement was predicated on CD pretending to have checks.
No, it wasn't, I was referring to Talis being miller. Seriously, just read the thread. You don't even have to go to a different site or anything.
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