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On August 04 2012 00:24 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 03 2012 23:34 Toadesstern wrote:On August 03 2012 23:32 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote:I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually. - Did he mason someone randomly from the get go? Why wasn't he afraid to randomly hit mafia at all? WBG can be pretty manipulative
- If it was not from the get-go VE probably had a town-read on WBG. If that's the case VE should have no problem at all telling people why he thinks WBG to be town. Someone masoning without even being able to explain why is the most suspicious thing in the world. So VE SHOULD have told WBG why he thinks that he's town if that's really the case.
- Did VE explain why he masoned you WBG?
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up. This seemed off because he seemed to have stopped for the night by the time I went to sleep. So, I looked. Sure enough, you start posting a case 7 hours and change after VE's last post, you vote somewhere in the 8ish hour range, and say you want fast answers 9 hours after his last post. Asking for an answer quick is one thing if he's posting, but this seems a bit pushy. Trying to force the issue with someone who hasn't posted in hours and use that to make them look scummy? I can't speak for his motives, because they sure as hell don't make much sense to me yet, but yours just seem scummy. I wanted WBG to answer the questions... On August 03 2012 23:36 JingleHell wrote:
Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that. I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up...Jingle, you can read just fine.
On August 03 2012 23:33 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 23:31 prplhz wrote:
Why don't you like wherebugsgo? Why are you defending him so much? Is he your scum buddy? All he did so far was randomly call 2 names without any proofs. All you have done so far is provide a series of one-liners that are non-committal and dismissive towards prplhz's accusations of your actions thus far. He looks significantly more "town than town can be" by comparison, since he's actively pressuring and trying to get discussion out of you. He asks precisely WHY do you not like wbg, and you throw it back in his face, and expect that to look townie? You kiddin me? ##Vote: Glasse (I still think we should post our votes in this thread for filter/quoting purposes...just don't pull any fake vote shenanigans plz) To me, wherebugsgo either called out 2 blues for mafia or both are his scum buddies and he's trying to make them look less suspicious by calling them out. Right now, neither of the 2 came in the thread to call bullshit on him so it's either 2 blues that don't care they were called out, its probably not 2 random fake call outs at this point, it can be 2 reds and they planned this. Then he comes in and tries to defend wherebugsgo blindly. I'll let you decide who is the scum in here.
How do you know they are both blues?
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On August 04 2012 00:54 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 00:24 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 03 2012 23:34 Toadesstern wrote:On August 03 2012 23:32 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote:I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually. - Did he mason someone randomly from the get go? Why wasn't he afraid to randomly hit mafia at all? WBG can be pretty manipulative
- If it was not from the get-go VE probably had a town-read on WBG. If that's the case VE should have no problem at all telling people why he thinks WBG to be town. Someone masoning without even being able to explain why is the most suspicious thing in the world. So VE SHOULD have told WBG why he thinks that he's town if that's really the case.
- Did VE explain why he masoned you WBG?
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up. This seemed off because he seemed to have stopped for the night by the time I went to sleep. So, I looked. Sure enough, you start posting a case 7 hours and change after VE's last post, you vote somewhere in the 8ish hour range, and say you want fast answers 9 hours after his last post. Asking for an answer quick is one thing if he's posting, but this seems a bit pushy. Trying to force the issue with someone who hasn't posted in hours and use that to make them look scummy? I can't speak for his motives, because they sure as hell don't make much sense to me yet, but yours just seem scummy. I wanted WBG to answer the questions... On August 03 2012 23:36 JingleHell wrote:
Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that. I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up...Jingle, you can read just fine.
On August 03 2012 23:33 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 23:31 prplhz wrote:
Why don't you like wherebugsgo? Why are you defending him so much? Is he your scum buddy? All he did so far was randomly call 2 names without any proofs. All you have done so far is provide a series of one-liners that are non-committal and dismissive towards prplhz's accusations of your actions thus far. He looks significantly more "town than town can be" by comparison, since he's actively pressuring and trying to get discussion out of you. He asks precisely WHY do you not like wbg, and you throw it back in his face, and expect that to look townie? You kiddin me? ##Vote: Glasse (I still think we should post our votes in this thread for filter/quoting purposes...just don't pull any fake vote shenanigans plz) To me, wherebugsgo either called out 2 blues for mafia or both are his scum buddies and he's trying to make them look less suspicious by calling them out. Right now, neither of the 2 came in the thread to call bullshit on him so it's either 2 blues that don't care they were called out, its probably not 2 random fake call outs at this point, it can be 2 reds and they planned this. Then he comes in and tries to defend wherebugsgo blindly. I'll let you decide who is the scum in here. How do you know they are both blues?
I don't. It can be 1 of each but it was easier to type out like this. I'm lazy and my english isn't very good.
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@Toad: Well we shouldn't lynch a couple of masons just because they are masons, the same way we shouldn't give them some sort of immunity just because they are masons. If they are scummy - > lynch. if not then we don't. Obviously... But that isn't really what we argued about in the first place. I said we should claim beeing masoned, not mason.
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On August 04 2012 00:56 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 00:54 Zephirdd wrote:On August 04 2012 00:24 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 03 2012 23:34 Toadesstern wrote:On August 03 2012 23:32 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote:I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually. - Did he mason someone randomly from the get go? Why wasn't he afraid to randomly hit mafia at all? WBG can be pretty manipulative
- If it was not from the get-go VE probably had a town-read on WBG. If that's the case VE should have no problem at all telling people why he thinks WBG to be town. Someone masoning without even being able to explain why is the most suspicious thing in the world. So VE SHOULD have told WBG why he thinks that he's town if that's really the case.
- Did VE explain why he masoned you WBG?
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up. This seemed off because he seemed to have stopped for the night by the time I went to sleep. So, I looked. Sure enough, you start posting a case 7 hours and change after VE's last post, you vote somewhere in the 8ish hour range, and say you want fast answers 9 hours after his last post. Asking for an answer quick is one thing if he's posting, but this seems a bit pushy. Trying to force the issue with someone who hasn't posted in hours and use that to make them look scummy? I can't speak for his motives, because they sure as hell don't make much sense to me yet, but yours just seem scummy. I wanted WBG to answer the questions... On August 03 2012 23:36 JingleHell wrote:
Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that. I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up...Jingle, you can read just fine.
On August 03 2012 23:33 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 23:31 prplhz wrote:
Why don't you like wherebugsgo? Why are you defending him so much? Is he your scum buddy? All he did so far was randomly call 2 names without any proofs. All you have done so far is provide a series of one-liners that are non-committal and dismissive towards prplhz's accusations of your actions thus far. He looks significantly more "town than town can be" by comparison, since he's actively pressuring and trying to get discussion out of you. He asks precisely WHY do you not like wbg, and you throw it back in his face, and expect that to look townie? You kiddin me? ##Vote: Glasse (I still think we should post our votes in this thread for filter/quoting purposes...just don't pull any fake vote shenanigans plz) To me, wherebugsgo either called out 2 blues for mafia or both are his scum buddies and he's trying to make them look less suspicious by calling them out. Right now, neither of the 2 came in the thread to call bullshit on him so it's either 2 blues that don't care they were called out, its probably not 2 random fake call outs at this point, it can be 2 reds and they planned this. Then he comes in and tries to defend wherebugsgo blindly. I'll let you decide who is the scum in here. How do you know they are both blues? I don't. It can be 1 of each but it was easier to type out like this. I'm lazy and my english isn't very good.
Are you... I don't even...
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On August 04 2012 00:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments.
For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits:
One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments.
Two, they're both awful as town.
Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence.
yeah but do you really think he's bad enough to mason you just to see if you would out a mason a second time? I have a hard time buying that.
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On August 04 2012 00:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Toad: Well we shouldn't lynch a couple of masons just because they are masons, the same way we shouldn't give them some sort of immunity just because they are masons. If they are scummy - > lynch. if not then we don't. Obviously... But that isn't really what we argued about in the first place. I said we should claim beeing masoned, not mason.
Sure it has a lot to do with what we're talking about.
I asked you about the benefits because I can't see any, at all.
You said there are some and it's good information but when talking about the two most likely assumptions (I could think of) you're telling us that we should just ignore the information on do whatever we think is best based on our reads excluding the mason-information.
If that's the case I just don't see the benefits of claiming at all, if we're supposed to ignore the information completly.
It is completly irrelevant if we're talking about the guys being masoned or the guys masoning because revealing neither of those 2 will give us something at all imo.
But I'll ignore that matter from now on. I see we disagree, I see there's some guys who agree with we and that's about it. No need to make the same mistake we had in L.
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On August 04 2012 00:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments.
For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits:
One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments.
Two, they're both awful as town.
Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence.
Okay guys. Lets try this again.
First of all I would like you to look at wbgs filter. just for fun. And then explain why most of you seem to think he is town. Point out every pro town thing wbg has done this game.
Then just for a fucking second PLEASE, look at his move to out 2 masons and think of a pro town reason to do that
Now look at this post.
The first thing I would like to point out is that WBG is lying. I don't call him Scum every game. Funny thing with WBG actually , I only call him scum in earnest when he is.. ya know.. scum.
Also notice that he apparantly thinks I am so bad that I am not Scum, but town. He is discrediting everything I say without even answering it. And no, I am absolutely not mad about it , because this is a very typical way for bugs to play scum.
Now WBG, would you please just to enlighten the thread if not me, explain how outing 2 masons is a pro town move? I am really looking forward to that one!
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Yes, I am a mason, and no, I didn't give Bugs the okay to out me.
Toad you're insane bro. If you'll read my post again, I was AGAINST masons claiming, prplhz asked me what the point of them claiming was and I explained it to him.
I'm screaming at bugs in a PM, I'll be back in a bit.
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On August 04 2012 01:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
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Yes, I am a mason, and no, I didn't give Bugs the okay to out me.
Toad you're insane bro. If you'll read my post again, I was AGAINST masons claiming, prplhz asked me what the point of them claiming was and I explained it to him.
I'm screaming at bugs in a PM, I'll be back in a bit.
Hey man , I asked you some questions yesterday night, could you answer them?
And what do you think about bugs move to out you? Do you think that it is a pro town move?
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On August 04 2012 01:03 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 00:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments.
For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits:
One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments.
Two, they're both awful as town.
Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence. yeah but do you really think he's bad enough to mason you just to see if you would out a mason a second time? I have a hard time buying that.
I asked you some questions would you mind responding ?
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On August 04 2012 00:00 Erandorr wrote:
strongandbig, your posts are completely worthless one liners.
Right now, tell me what you think about what wbg did. Do you agree with him outing the masons? Why do you think he did it? Do you think he is rather town or scum?
tbh i originally thought he was lying, ve hadn't masoned him, and he was trying to incite reactions.
I have no fucking clue why bugs is doing what he's doing. It's extremely stupid if he did it with no plan in mind. I know he's not stupid, so I'm waiting to find out what the plan is or was. I think we should lynch him if he doesn't persuade us that outing the masons was a good idea, because if he doesn't convince us that he had a good reason my conclusion would be that his plan was "fuck with town so they can't get organized."
It's also really weird that toad and that other guy are still arguing about whether or not masons should claim. It's irrelevant now and one of them is probably scum.
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also if you're telling the truth about why you masoned bugs then I agree with his assessment of your play.
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On August 04 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote:
also if you're telling the truth about why you masoned bugs then I agree with his assessment of your play.
why?
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On August 04 2012 00:39 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:On August 03 2012 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them. errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but... I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. can you walk me through your thought process a little more? It seemed like you were against masons being in public given your agreement with toad. So why did you risk outing yourself?
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On August 03 2012 12:41 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Essentially, it trades outing all of our masons for outing all of the scum masons...because if scum want to use their mason abilities, they HAVE to claim with the rest of town.
I have to say that I'm against masons claiming in this game because we don't know A) if we have any masons and B) if scum have any masons. I mean, I'm guessing we do since they're not standard "masons" (the Player A and Player B are confirmed to each other and are town) but they're the version that TL has adopted recently (the Player A gets to choose who to mason and no one is confirmed to anyone flavor) but obviously that's outguessing the mod and I don't even wanna go down that road. Suffice to say that I'm against it, for my part. HI VE! Do you think that the trade of outing all scum masons would be worth giving scum information of all the town masons? Are you essentially saying you are against this because town may have masons and scum not, thus giving something away for free? Is that your entire reasoning? You go on speculating a whole lot of fluffy nothing then say that you actually don't want to go down that road, so why do you bring it up in the first place?
I don't think it would be worth it, which i why I was against the claim. I brought it up because that's just my opinion and I wanted to hear everyone else' opinion...which you now know is because it's a topic that keenly interests me.
I was against it because it's non-alignment indicative and will only serve to clutter up the thread unless we do something ridiculous like decide to lynch all mason claims. I mean, look at what Bugs outting you and I has done to the thread alone.
Right now I'm against lynching Bugs. I don't know if he's town or scum yet, but I definitely don't want to lynch him yet. But keep calling me awful Bugs, that might change.
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On August 04 2012 01:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
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Yes, I am a mason, and no, I didn't give Bugs the okay to out me.
Toad you're insane bro. If you'll read my post again, I was AGAINST masons claiming, prplhz asked me what the point of them claiming was and I explained it to him.
I'm screaming at bugs in a PM, I'll be back in a bit.
Your thought process to please - why bugs etc.
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On August 04 2012 01:31 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 00:39 talismania wrote:On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:On August 03 2012 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them. errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but... I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. can you walk me through your thought process a little more? It seemed like you were against masons being in public given your agreement with toad. So why did you risk outing yourself?
Its a completely anti town move to out people like that without thoughts on alignment or actually any information. They may have been context with VE, but I thought of it as trading my role for confirming wbg as scum. it is that easy.
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Because I'd rather hunt for scum than defend myself, so I masoned a veteran in as a shortcut to establishing my innocence with him if he's town so he can smack down anyone (Toad) who thinks I'm scum for stupid-ass reasons.
Also if he's scum, I wanted a private line with him in case he felt like telling me all about it in PMs. So far he hasn't. :/
Him instantly outting me wasn't something I'd considered. I figured he'd talk to me about it first. I have a long way to go in understanding Bugs' play.
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EBWOP: at that point I wasnt actually certain that wbg was scum at all.
Something else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me?
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