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On August 12 2012 03:53 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 03:34 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah but DTs are kind of a high priority target for mafias so who cares right now. I doubt they'll kill a DT due to the whole fake claim mixup. Too much doubt in peoples minds. Did you mason anyone?
They almost have to try. If both DTs survive, then either xsebt has a real check or sinensis has a fake check. The other is roleblocked. This puts scum in a bit of a bind. The only real check that scum can fake at this point is on other members of their team, meaning that once the gig is up, they're all done, which dissuades them from RBing xsebt. On the other hand, they can't risk xsebt actually getting a real check, on, say, VE.
It should also be noted that VE has already claimed his character name in the thread (Lane Pryce). If for some reason I'm wrong about VE (I'm not) then he'd be the only townie on whom a fake check can be made.
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oh and for the record, when I write sinensis, I mean CountDropula. Because they're the same person.
Reasons:
-CD read NMM2. townies, especially new players (which is what he claims to be, btw, meaning that he's lying) do not read past games. scum don't either. No one really does. Everyone just references games they played in themselves. Therefore CD is someone who was in that game. Looking through the player list, that pretty much means he's either bluelightz or sinensis, and his writing style matches sinensis'. Same kind of sentence structure, etc. Also there's the part where zeph called him sinensis and zeph knew he was getting bussed. (Combine that with sinensis' "one step towards the bus stop for you..." that Hier pointed out and it seems clear that scum's goal is not only to win, but to do so by humiliating the town so that they can point out later how obvious the whole thing was and how everyone was so bad they missed it.)
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On August 11 2012 23:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 23:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Aside from easy WIFOM re: my likelihood of being GF if I were scum, I wouldn't mind a check on me either. hmm that's true. would be almost as worthless as Probe's check on Wiggles in LV.
Not entirely true. sinensis is almost certainly GF.
But if VE is off the table, why not hassybaby? Hassy's not going to be scum. I'm pretty sure jingle is town but it would hurt to confirm him either.
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and by hassy's not going to be scum I mean hassy's not goign to be GF*
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Fun quotes from sinensis where he actually tells the truth but no one notices:
On August 11 2012 05:44 CountDropula wrote:
The pressing nature of the game...
Means my plans must be revealed
Before the time is right.
What do you think about that, lazermonkey? :-)
And to repost this from Hier because it needs to be seen because holy shit lol:
On August 09 2012 10:49 CountDropula wrote:
Well, preparing my play has been... Consuming much of my energy, and it has been so long in the making that it simply must be done justice!
Apparently the actors refuse to wear anything but red...
Ah yes, there is the matter of my vote...
##Vote: Zephirdd
One step towards a win for the audience,
One step towards the bus stop for you...
Seriously, what townie DT puts that line in there? There are tons of idioms in the english language that express the idea of something coming to the end or being finished. But he goes with "One step towards the bus stop for you..." with the reference I guess to zephirdd getting on bus out of town or something? It doesn't even make sense with his puppeteer act, if you still believe CD is a new eccentric player and not sinensis. Then you say "One step towards the curtain closing..." or something. "One step towards your swan song..." etc. And it doesn't fit at all with "One step towards a win for the audience" semantically, despite the phrasing indicating that the two lines are a couplet. Plus the suggestive ellipsis. I mean I don't know how to spell it out any more and maybe I don't need to. Just look at that lol.
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To quote Obi-wan,
if you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
I got nothing to lose in speaking the truth, lazer. :-)
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Do you think CD is a new player or a smurf?
Do you believe in lynch-all-liars?
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His argument will be that because I'm mafia and I'm calling lazer scum, I can't kill lazer. Alternatively, we'll see that xsebt was double-stacked, meaning that lazer was spared defacto. Well and toad has a green check too to be fair. But toad won't die because he's useful for getting rid of me.
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I've never heard of three shot vig but we'll see. I guess I should put my reads together now just in case.
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Scum:
1. VE. VE is scum. I nail him here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=73#1442 Links to previous cases of mine, all of which are good, are included in that post.
2. Sinensis. CD is sinensis. Sinensis is GF-appears-as-DT. I've gone through that earlier as well.
3. Lazermonkey. If sinensis is scum, so must be Lazer. Lazer's filter is interesting reading. He got stuck in a peculiar position when it came to VE. I think scum thoguht VE was going to get lynched the day I came after him. VE himself seemed to give up. But then they actutally counted the votes and realized that they could survive with erandorr. Lazer also has an interesting reversal on CD.
4. Hassybaby? I think his logs with toad are very illuminating and toad's remarks on them are insightful. However he's hard to read given that he hasn't done much (and still hasn't, despite being back for a spell now). I also think it's likely that scum have two masons.
Lurky town:
MrZentor - His vote switching between erandorr and VE... dunno. He also calls out VE and lazer... again dunno. I guess he could conceivably be scum if hassy isn't, but the limited evidence suggests he isn't.
Glasse - I have no good reason for why I think glasse is town other than that he isn't someone I think is scum. A good DT check target down the line.
Hier - Pretty sure he's town given that he genuinely didn't know that qt meant quicktopic and his doing actual work searching through CD's filter to find that nice quote.
BKE - thought he was scum for a while because he soft-defended VE but since then he's been attacking VE and was voting for him yesterday over me.
Hopeless1der - I think he's town for how he's called out VE. He's actually probably a decent candidate for a DT check later as well. He looks into zeph D1, initially finding him scummy but then finding him town, for instance. Still gotta go with town though.
Synystyr - completely forgot about this guy. Uh I think a DT check wouldn't be bad on him N5 or N6 if the DTs make it that far.
Other town:
Marv - marv is town I think. Don't have a good reason why but I don't see why a scum replacement hops into the game and the first thing he says is that he thinks I'm town.
Jinglehell - jingle is likely town or he fooled me too. I got nothing but townie vibes from him in our conversations. A good DT check to confirm him.
Confirmed town:
Xsebt - xsebt is DT, for reasons already discussed.
Toad - toad is confirmed town because xsebt has a green check on him. And everything else as well suggests that he's not GF.
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Other things:
don't forget to ask about the logs between toad and his mason partner, and especially those between VE and his mason partner. Sinensis requested to talk to VE yesterday during N2, so it will be interesting to see if they followed through on that plan and managed to put together any good fake conversations.
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On August 12 2012 07:30 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 07:23 talismania wrote:
I've never heard of three shot vig but we'll see. I guess I should put my reads together now just in case. Oh, I kind of started to assume a VG has more than one shot, considering nobody claimed. Also, as somebody else pointed out, OP doesn't state that the VG has only one shot. But I guess we will see in 2.5 hours.
No it's smart for the vig not to claim, even if they've used up their shots. Now that we're entering the later stages of the game, having a vig claim in your pocket can be very useful (at lylos, for instance).
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It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
That's why I look for QTs - I assume that it is permissible because of this statement in the rules. Nevertheless, I've never been able to find one until this game, and I didn't check for it til after I died. Presumably this is because zephirdd messed up and didn't make it a "hidden" topic. I was also able to find the most recent newbie mini, but that's probably because the game was over and someone posted the link on the forums (which google then finds and makes indexable).
As far as cheating goes, I'm actually really curious to find out what zorkmid did since he's the only guy that did manage to get himself modkilled lol.
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As far as the game goes, I'm happy I nailed VE. I'm a bit sad more of the lurkers didn't realize how strong that case was until I was gone. Credit to marv for finishing the job and for catching out jingle. Marv drew enough attention to him that the others read his logs and found the slips, allowing the rest of the thread to come on board.
Other notes:
Hilarious that three of the strongest townies were millers wtf. And no medics??
Scum actually didn't play that great =/ Hassy and synystyr were non-factors while still appearing scummy. VE couldn't play to his town meta at all. Zeph got redchecked so no criticism there (I thought zeph was town because his town meta is to act scummy and he was acting scummy lol). Jingle played fine until he mistakenly thought he had to overreact to marv to appear townie.
gotta run now but I have a bit more to say about the real reason town and scum were weak this game:
people failing to control their emotions/frustrations about a game on the internet.
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