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On August 06 2012 09:44 Synystyr wrote:Active mode starting now  grush and CountDropula are the most counterproductive people in this thread. They're being trollish for the sake of screwing with our heads and making us point fingers at each other instead of them. If they weren't scum, they'd be more helpful than they are now. Stop with the hints and talk straight at us.
What ever happened to "active mode"?
You had two posts before this, three posts afterwards. Five or so posts pre-game.
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On August 10 2012 04:37 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:28 talismania wrote:On August 10 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 03:43 talismania wrote:
Toad can you at least answer if he said I was a goon or a roleblocker? Can't just leave the thread hanging like that. he said "Talis the mafia goon". That's all I'm going to say. huh. well at least this more or less proves that you're town unless you're way craftier than I remember. How does this prove that Toad is town? Wouldn't this just mean that his ''source'' is town and you are scum or the other way around? I guess it could mean that both you and the other guy are both town if you are a miller. But how does this mean Toad is town? It's very possible that the guy just told Toad to say he got a red check on you in the thread. This way he wouldn't out himself as DT but still let us know that he got a red check. As there really isn't a reason for town not to out this in the thread Toad is more or less forced to do that no matter what alignment he is.
Well the way I see it, I am town. If toad were scum, he would know I'm town. There'd be no reason for him to go mum like this in that case. I mean it's like a free mislynch.
A bit of an academic point though everything else about toad's play screams town as well.
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I did? I'm under the impression that the DT gives roles. Therefore a DT could see someone as either mafia goon or mafia roleblocker.
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On August 10 2012 04:51 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 04:45 talismania wrote:On August 10 2012 04:37 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 10 2012 04:28 talismania wrote:On August 10 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 03:43 talismania wrote:
Toad can you at least answer if he said I was a goon or a roleblocker? Can't just leave the thread hanging like that. he said "Talis the mafia goon". That's all I'm going to say. huh. well at least this more or less proves that you're town unless you're way craftier than I remember. How does this prove that Toad is town? Wouldn't this just mean that his ''source'' is town and you are scum or the other way around? I guess it could mean that both you and the other guy are both town if you are a miller. But how does this mean Toad is town? It's very possible that the guy just told Toad to say he got a red check on you in the thread. This way he wouldn't out himself as DT but still let us know that he got a red check. As there really isn't a reason for town not to out this in the thread Toad is more or less forced to do that no matter what alignment he is. Well the way I see it, I am town. If toad were scum, he would know I'm town. There'd be no reason for him to go mum like this in that case. I mean it's like a free mislynch. A bit of an academic point though everything else about toad's play screams town as well. I don't get this. If Toad is scum and you are town and we lynch you and you flip town, then we know that the guy is scum unless you flip miller. How will Toad look bad for that? Yhea, I'm also thinking Toad is town. At least atm.
Eh forget it it's just that I think toad wouldn't be like "talis has a redcheck" and then "oh can't talk about it anymore" if he were scum and I'm miller, or if the whole thing was fake.
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On August 10 2012 06:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't sound very legit to me.
I mean, there are inherent risks involved with claiming as DT...claiming through a mason doesn't really mitigate those at all, because surreptitious behavior is often regarded as scummy rather than townie regardless of the intentions - look at the Lynch All Liars policy if you have any doubts.
While I would love nothing more than to lynch talismania, this smells funny. No offense Toad, it's more to do with the manner of the pseudo-claimed DT rather than any of your actions. The fact that you claimed it for him/her is pretty null to me, considering I think you're smart enough to know that claiming that in-thread would be the smart move regardless of your alignment. what has my alignment to do with this? Can we argue about wether I bussed him or genuinely wanted to lynch him after seeing him flip red pretty please? If you believe the DT story and all your worries is MY alignment there's no reason to be afraid. But as mentioned. I'll leave it with that as I don't know wether or not the guy is a mafia or townie. Yes either he is a mafia or Talis is a mafia but so far it could be both 
Also he could be DT and I'm miller.
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On August 10 2012 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 06:57 talismania wrote:On August 10 2012 06:48 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't sound very legit to me.
I mean, there are inherent risks involved with claiming as DT...claiming through a mason doesn't really mitigate those at all, because surreptitious behavior is often regarded as scummy rather than townie regardless of the intentions - look at the Lynch All Liars policy if you have any doubts.
While I would love nothing more than to lynch talismania, this smells funny. No offense Toad, it's more to do with the manner of the pseudo-claimed DT rather than any of your actions. The fact that you claimed it for him/her is pretty null to me, considering I think you're smart enough to know that claiming that in-thread would be the smart move regardless of your alignment. what has my alignment to do with this? Can we argue about wether I bussed him or genuinely wanted to lynch him after seeing him flip red pretty please? If you believe the DT story and all your worries is MY alignment there's no reason to be afraid. But as mentioned. I'll leave it with that as I don't know wether or not the guy is a mafia or townie. Yes either he is a mafia or Talis is a mafia but so far it could be both Also he could be DT and I'm miller. If Toad is in contact with a DT you're lynched - there's no way you're a miller. The question is if he's in contact with a DT or not. I think not.
I dunno about "no way". Three seems really unlikely but not impossible. PS why are you being so reasonable? Confusing.
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So zephirdd thinks it's me + VE, VE thinks it's me + zephirdd, and I think it's VE and not zephirdd.
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On August 10 2012 07:47 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 07:45 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 10 2012 07:40 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 07:21 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 10 2012 07:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
So now what, you hold the logs until tomorrow, or give them out so we can make our reads on the claim and let the scum WIFOM the shot vs the medic(s)? IMO Toad should absolutely not out the guy. If we do, even if we lynch talis and he flips scum, our DT will die. Maybe he could give out the logs but without name? If Toad really feel that the person to claim DT is scum, then he should consider outing him and lynching him instead. The one advantage we have with outing the guy(other than knowing who we are trusting...)is that we will have a confirmed DT if Tallis flips You could argue that he is a good medic target but we don't even know if we have a medic which makes it risky. Also scum could just perma RB the guy if they want too as well, assuming Tallis isn't the scum RB. I still can't tell if the guy is mafia or if it's talis. I found his breadcrumb all right. I see what he was doing now and it's all fine but mafia could set that kind of stuff up as well. Again, I posted it in an instant without thinking about it. Should not have posted it and I'm going to ignore it now that I can't make out which of the two guys is the mafia and who's faking. I hope the rest of you does the same and just proceeds as if I never said a thing. kk thx bye :3 Why should we ignore it? We are 99,9% guranteed to get a mafia, either this day or the next. The only scenario we don't get a mafia is if Tallis is miller but that is highly unlikely. I'm going to bed now. But before that. ##Vote: talismania
because we kind of can't afford to misslynch right now, even if we're getting a mafia the next day because it might just be over?
We can't really ignore this toad. How certain are you that it's either/or? This game seems fucked by this one move.
Scenarios spelled out (someone check me if I'm wrong):
17 alive now. Lynch me, I flip miller. 14 alive next day assuming no protects and no more vigis. One more mislynch to give before it's lylo the rest of the way.
17 alive now. Lynch me, I flip vanilla townie. 14 alive next day. Lynch the DT (toad outs during the night to avoid NK complication) and the game is still difficult but now two mislynches to give.
17 alive now. Lynch the DT. He flips DT. 14 alive next day. Lynch me. I flip miller. Lylo the rest of the way (worst case scenario).
17 alive now. Lynch the DT. He flips mafia. Best case scenario.
17 alive now. Lynch outside of me and the DT. Hit mafia - great and go from there. Hit town - then lynch me and stare down the barrels of 5 consecutive lylos.
I won't entertain the scenarios where I'm mafia because I'm not but I doubt any of you will have a problem doing so.
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My problem is that I can't see how this figures into a scum plot. Unless I'm just completely wrong about VE, why this all of a sudden? I guess it can fit with VE but it means a more subtle thing, where VE completely makes up the zephirdd bit as a misdirection or something.
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Hmm I guess I should defend myself or something? This is weird. I don't want to play against my wincon by suggesting that you lynch me first, but lynching the DT seems like it would be doing the same thing, as it's the higher-variance choice. Zugzwang. Lynching outside the pair seems equally high variance.
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Where's marv been at? You caught up to speed yet?
Also @toad - why didn't you mason me? Not to be vain but I figured I would be high on your list given that I'm such a chatty type and that you were finding me "weird" and whatnot.
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I still can't get over how this managed to happen - toad what made you pick the person you did? I mean that's why I assumed it must be dropula but he's still going on about lynching zephirdd then me (I think?) so that doesn't make too much sense.
@marv if we're going to lynch outside of me and whoever is accusing me I could maybe go for glasse. I'd prefer VE or BKE though. Hassy too but I'm worried about why he's been this inactive. Apparently he gave BC an ok excuse since he wasn't modkilled.
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Toad masoned X.
X claims a "Mafia Goon" check on me.
Other bits:
X claims to have received my character info in his check as well. Still waiting from host confirmation if this is possible.
X knew Toad's character info and role.
Unclear if X has also checked toad but seems implied.
Implications:
I am either scum or miller or town, depending on whether you think X is DT or scum.
See my earlier post for a rundown of lynch scenarios as they pertain to lylo.
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On August 10 2012 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 09:05 JingleHell wrote:On August 10 2012 09:01 marvellosity wrote:
hmm. DT stuff I don't quite get.
Should we just lynch zeph or glasse instead
Glasse especially for his annoying "I'm playing like a dick, but I refuse to stop playing like a dick even though I'm telling everyone I'm playing like a dick" attitude Right now we don't have a DT. We have what could easily be a fakeclaim. If it's a scum who's already a high visibility potential lynch, even grabbing one more mislynch for them before dying would be huge. Without having more information about the claim, I feel safer going into a scummy target. What did you think about my Dropula case? Well he's not a "high visibility potential lynch" candidate. He's just not what I'd call a townie straight from the books either. So far noone mentioned him as a lynch candidate if I'm not mistaken.
So how'd you end up masoning him, then?
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On August 10 2012 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
who the fudge is X?
you, for all I know.
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On August 10 2012 09:14 Toadesstern wrote:
noone in this game has a townread on Talis lol
well jingle and hopeless1der at least agree with me on VE.
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On August 10 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 09:14 JingleHell wrote:On August 10 2012 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
who the fudge is X? And that succinctly covers why not many people are voting based on it. We all have the same question. Toad is withholding the info. well yeah because I was asked to. If the guy tells the truth we can get way more out of it with this proxy. I could tell another mason to mason him so that he can get the next read the next cycle. If the mason lies the DT can just claim, I can confirm the DT and we found ourselves a mafia-mason after already finding mafia-Talis. Telling the name doesn't really change a thing.
wtf is this lol?
how do you expect to tell another mason who the DT is in private? How would you know that that mason wasn't scum?
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On August 10 2012 09:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 09:18 talismania wrote:On August 10 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 09:14 JingleHell wrote:On August 10 2012 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
who the fudge is X? And that succinctly covers why not many people are voting based on it. We all have the same question. Toad is withholding the info. well yeah because I was asked to. If the guy tells the truth we can get way more out of it with this proxy. I could tell another mason to mason him so that he can get the next read the next cycle. If the mason lies the DT can just claim, I can confirm the DT and we found ourselves a mafia-mason after already finding mafia-Talis. Telling the name doesn't really change a thing. wtf is this lol? how do you expect to tell another mason who the DT is in private? How would you know that that mason wasn't scum? idk, via PM's perhaps? I just said, even if the next Mason is a mafia he has to tell the truth or he is busted because both the DT and I can confirm wether he's telling the truth or not.
So unless jingle hasn't masoned you already... that means hassy or VE masons you today (if they haven't masoned someone). Now you tell one of them (both of whom could be scum - both likely are in my estimation) who the DT is. Then they kill both of you at night. Correct?
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Also toad, it's fine to keep saying we should ignore this but then what's next? Who do you think is scum and why, then?
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what the fuuuuck
well if you haven't masoned someone yet I'm up for it. Because if he gets modkilled and really is a DT I think you'll probably want to pick my brains before I get lynched.
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So he checks me N1, you N2 (who KNOWS why he uses a rolecop on a claimed mason) but somehow trusts that information and now here we are?
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