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On August 12 2012 04:26 marvellosity wrote: What are you talking about? Cd wanted a talis lynch and I pushed the zeph lynch ... talis has already explained it somewhere, do I really need to type out everything twice?  | ||
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I don't know why they shot both DT's though. They could have easily just shot Xsebt and roleblocked DC for an eternity. I masoned DC yesterday, we didn't talk a lot but some. He was in favor of a Zeph lynch, which was odd to me considering I just told him I got a red check on Talis and was than okay with an Talis lynch as well. Later on (still RL-d1 from yesterday, like 10 hours into the day, way before I claimed the red check in the thread) we both agreed, that we should lynch Zeph first and check out what's going to happen. + Show Spoiler [Logs] + [09.08.2012 17:43:38] Erik: hi count dropula, Toad here [09.08.2012 17:53:58] Count Dropula: Count Dropula hat Kontaktdetails mit Erik ausgetauscht. [09.08.2012 17:54:07] Erik: sup [09.08.2012 17:54:15] Count Dropula: Greetings [09.08.2012 17:54:19] Erik: you even made a skype fake for this? [09.08.2012 17:54:36] Count Dropula: I leave no loose strings [09.08.2012 17:54:52] Erik: i see [09.08.2012 17:54:57] Erik: I'd love to know who you are though [09.08.2012 17:55:18] Erik: not going to happen? [09.08.2012 17:55:31] Count Dropula: I Have already revealed myself [09.08.2012 17:55:39] Count Dropula: I am the puppeteer [09.08.2012 17:55:53] Erik: okay fine with me [09.08.2012 17:55:59] Erik: thoughts on talis? [09.08.2012 17:56:21] Count Dropula: His defense of my puppet is pitiful [09.08.2012 17:56:32] Erik: I kinda got a red check on him telling me he's a mafia goon called Henry Francais [09.08.2012 17:56:55] Count Dropula: Very well [09.08.2012 17:56:58] Count Dropula: As expected [09.08.2012 17:57:02] Erik: obviously not from myself because I'm a mason and not a DT [09.08.2012 17:57:27] Count Dropula: Certainly [09.08.2012 17:57:33] Erik: but the guy who told me that also checked me and told me my char name so I believe him [09.08.2012 17:58:15] Erik: the thing hower is that talis is attacking VE and pushing for a VE lynch [09.08.2012 17:58:22] Erik: which makes me doubt VE is mafia right now [09.08.2012 17:58:30] Count Dropula: You have a higher probability of being mafia. I am not without suspicion. [09.08.2012 17:58:48] Erik: higher as VE or higher as talis? [09.08.2012 17:59:40] Count Dropula: I will vote talis tomorrow regardless [09.08.2012 17:59:53] Count Dropula: He is one of my actors [09.08.2012 18:00:01] Count Dropula: My scum-marionette [09.08.2012 18:00:10] Erik: tomorrow? as in after the lynch we're having right now? [09.08.2012 18:00:29] Erik: or as in "RL-tomorrow" [09.08.2012 18:00:34] Count Dropula: The lynch after zephirdd [09.08.2012 18:00:48] Count Dropula: Act II of my production [09.08.2012 18:00:55] Erik: so you don't believe me when I'm telling you about the red check? [09.08.2012 18:02:06] Count Dropula: My suspicions of talis are independent of the check. He is my actor. He wears red. He got the part in the audition I held [09.08.2012 18:03:06] Erik: I've got the feeling this is going to be hard [09.08.2012 18:03:21] Count Dropula: Hard to lynch them? [09.08.2012 18:03:35] Erik: na, hard to talk to you [09.08.2012 18:03:40] Erik: with that fancy roleplay [09.08.2012 18:03:59] Count Dropula: A byproduct of my puppeteer training [09.08.2012 18:04:21] Erik: why are you a puppeteer? [09.08.2012 18:05:15] Count Dropula: Because it is my calling [09.08.2012 18:05:27] Erik: to me that sounds like someone we can't see who's trying to controle what people are doing [09.08.2012 18:05:29] Count Dropula: Why are you a toad? [09.08.2012 18:05:36] Erik: that really sounds like what a mafia would do [09.08.2012 18:05:58] Count Dropula: My votes will speak for me [09.08.2012 18:06:10] Erik: why zeph > talis? [09.08.2012 18:06:30] Count Dropula: He is easier to control [09.08.2012 18:06:59] Erik: and when you're saying "control" you mean what? [09.08.2012 18:07:27] Count Dropula: His mind is not his own [09.08.2012 18:07:52] Erik: I so want to know who you are [09.08.2012 18:07:53] Count Dropula: Do you see how he reacts when I pull a string? [09.08.2012 18:09:58] Erik: link? [09.08.2012 18:10:11] Erik: or just in general? [09.08.2012 18:15:28] Count Dropula: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&user=111188¤tpage=3 [09.08.2012 18:15:35] Count Dropula: The whole page [09.08.2012 18:15:58] Count Dropula: The need to defend... [09.08.2012 18:20:06] Erik: so you're basicly saying a townie wouldn't feel the need to defend himself so heavily after a post like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=22#436 [09.08.2012 18:20:17] Erik: when noone else really considers him a decent lynch target? [09.08.2012 18:21:53] Count Dropula: Exactly [09.08.2012 18:22:14] Count Dropula: The audience did not care [09.08.2012 18:22:34] Count Dropula: That was the only post with evidencr [09.08.2012 18:23:00] Count Dropula: Afterwards I was all stage direction [09.08.2012 18:24:15] Erik: I'd love to lynch zeph as well, he's one of my scum targets as well but as we all know those didn't turn out that well this game. [09.08.2012 18:24:21] Erik: so I'd rather trust the red check first [09.08.2012 18:25:11] Erik: btw the reason I consider Zeph to be scummy is because he's somehow able to always include weird phrases in his posts. Like "It's entirely reasonable that a town player would change opinions within two posts, given that someone gives the proper arguments." [09.08.2012 18:25:42] Erik: a town player would change opinions? That sounds to me like he's not town but wants to tell us that if he were town he'd do the same thing [09.08.2012 18:26:46] Erik: okay, who do you consider to be scum other than Zeph? [09.08.2012 18:27:07] Count Dropula: Talismania [09.08.2012 18:27:34] Erik: and you consider your read on zeph stronger than the one on talis? [09.08.2012 18:28:16] Count Dropula: They are my cast. Equally red. [09.08.2012 18:28:32] Erik: so let's lynch talis first, the guy with a red check [09.08.2012 18:30:36] Count Dropula: And your source... One of the audience you masoned? [09.08.2012 18:31:12] Erik: probably [09.08.2012 18:31:39] Count Dropula: Probably or certainly [09.08.2012 18:31:58] Erik: I don't want my source to die so I'm sticking with probably [09.08.2012 18:33:03] Count Dropula: Well then, Talismania it is [09.08.2012 18:33:13] Erik: nice :3 [09.08.2012 18:34:12] Count Dropula: Soon, the curtain will rise! The audience will be amazed! Act I will begin! [09.08.2012 18:34:31] Erik: are you kita? [09.08.2012 18:36:00] Erik: did you request that I'm masoning you? [09.08.2012 18:36:08] Count Dropula: If we lynch two in a row, as I believe, then mafia will be on the defense for quite a while [09.08.2012 18:36:27] Erik: Talis: "toad if I'm reading between the lines correctly here you're saying that you mason'd CountDropula as he requested and he revealed that he had a red check on me?" [09.08.2012 18:36:35] Erik: how does he know I masoned you? [09.08.2012 18:37:52] Erik: awww [09.08.2012 18:37:55] Erik: screw what I said [09.08.2012 18:38:02] Erik: about talis, not sure if I can trust my source [09.08.2012 18:38:19] Erik: if even talis is able to figure out my role name on hiw own [09.08.2012 18:41:14] Erik: I have no idea what's going on anymore. Let's ignore the red check. No idea if it's a mason trying to get a final ML by fakeclaiming or really a DT right now... [09.08.2012 18:41:25] Erik: mason = mafia [09.08.2012 18:41:58] Count Dropula: No. [09.08.2012 18:42:13] Count Dropula: Lynch zeph [09.08.2012 18:42:21] Erik: yeah I guess [09.08.2012 18:42:48] Count Dropula: He is stupid. He soft-outs himself with every post [09.08.2012 18:44:02] Count Dropula: Town masons are useful. Scum masons are easy [09.08.2012 18:44:29] Erik: that's not what I was saying [09.08.2012 18:44:33] Erik: it was supposed to be: [09.08.2012 18:44:41] Count Dropula: Besides, we know VE will be behind zephs stage exit [09.08.2012 18:45:12] Erik: I have no idea what's going on anymore. Let's ignore the red check. No idea if it's a mafia trying to get a final ML by fakeclaiming or really a DT right now... [09.08.2012 18:46:06] Count Dropula: Ignore. We lynch zephirdd. [09.08.2012 18:46:13] Erik: yeah [09.08.2012 18:47:17] Count Dropula: It doesnt matter what you think of me, what I think of you. [09.08.2012 18:47:26] Erik: ok I'm assuming you're a vet, I don't know which one but you're probably one [09.08.2012 18:47:37] Erik: how many millers are usually in a game with millers in your opinion? [09.08.2012 18:51:32] Count Dropula: I have already revealed myself I don't know if the logs help. Maybe I missed something in there because he was talking in fancy-english all the time and maybe you find something of importance. He said that he's told me something, that he played SSB-64 mafia and that I should look at something he posted taking into consideration that I'm the hiropro of that game, which probably is about the same thing as the Toad from AC, damn these BC games I can't recall what he said in detail so I'm going to check it again and try and re-read some filters. Now that both Talis AND the DT flipped green I wouldn't be that much against a VE lynch. So far I did not go for him simply because I considered both Talis and WBG to be way more reasonable as mafia. Have to check that out as well. Hassy is back to a complete blank read. | ||
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This time I'll stop overthinking everytime, as clearly that didn't turn out to well and instead just do what my guts tell me to do. Who's up for VE? :p I'm also willing to listen someone else if I trust them. | ||
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Just a random mention. I still think we should lynch VE | ||
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On August 12 2012 21:52 marvellosity wrote: why are you so bad as to not be able to read and respond to basic points? because I chose not to answer that question? | ||
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honestly speaking, I don't know what to make of VE considering the posts in his filter dealing with Zeph. There's some weird stuff in there that looks fishy but he's on zeph a lot later on. I think the posts dealing with zeph from d1 and d2 done by VE are all weird to some degree and it feels faked. Take the conversations he's having with other people as example and you'll see that VE is way more "in your face" when talking about Talis or when talking about bug / eran. But the later posts (I guess about d3) all are pretty good looking for VE. Good be a bus but betting it all on a bus takes a huge act of faith in a situation like this I guess. That's why I said I'll probably do what my guts tell me to do this cycle :p | ||
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I think I already said enough the last couple of days and we desperately need everyone to join the discussion so gogo. | ||
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On August 13 2012 21:09 marvellosity wrote: mostly right now we need people to sheep me/talis I thought you wanted me to post more and explain more although I'm kinda confirmed town. So if you didn't want me to post more because you wanted to read me you wanted me to post more because you're trusting my judgement (at least a tiny bit?) or why else would you want me to post on something that you (apparently?) agree with. And now it's all about sheeping you instead? That's kind of a change of mind, isn't it? | ||
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Now that I know he never risked being modkilled and it was all okay with BC he is for sure back on my scumradar for the same reasons he was back then, however I'm still not that sure about him. | ||
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On August 14 2012 20:52 marvellosity wrote: Just been re-reading now I'm more with it. VE didn't flip godfather O.o which means i'm confused about who would be, because VE would be gf before anyone else in the game except maybe bugs. Ugh. Toad I don't know what's wrong with you. Maybe some paranoid hangover from LV where I duped you, is that it? Or are somehow you're gf?? it's about the GF part and as you finally mentioned it's not making sense right now.
besides that: If the mafia RB gets to be GF (GF chooses to be checked as VT), what would the DT get back on a check? "VT + name" or "VT + RB + name" ? | ||
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I was pretty convinced one out of Hassy / VE has to be mafia, probably even both yesterday. However, if both are mafia that means there's still a GF running around somewhere else which gave me some headache and was one of the reasons I stated I'm not that sure on hassy anymore. I'd still say it's way more likely that Hassy's just a mafia mason and we have a GF running around somewhere else but assuming that to begin with should take some balls imo and suprisingly it didn't at all. Anyways, see you tomorrow, going back to my place now. | ||
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On August 14 2012 21:25 marvellosity wrote: yeah I was pretty baked by the time the flip came. As for VE. What was the credible altnerative? talis made a huge (and good) case, plus I added my thoughts on VE too. The plain fact of the matter is that no-one believed he was town enough to speak up for him. Also roleblocker can't be godfather surely? Yeah I get that and lynching VE was the best, if not the only choice we had. Still I'm just suprised that noone had at least some tiny doubts about it. Not saying people should have acted paranoid and tried to lynch someone else but everyone treating this as a 100% confirmed lynch without the slightest form of a doubt was weird. | ||
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On August 14 2012 21:33 marvellosity wrote: I'm always scared shitless of lynching VE, but i'm not gonna show town that ^^ like we're both agreeing, it was kinda basically the only alternative. Plus town VE before he gets lynched usually fucking dishes out the reads and info for before he dies, as the day goes on. As the day went on and he didn't do it, it became more obvious he'd flip mafia. See, that's exactly the reason I'm not trusting you, you're just like Zephirdd somehow. You manage to write those posts and they all read nice and dandy but at the same time you somehow manage to have this one phrase, word or whatever else in a lot of your posts that makes my spidersenses tingle like crazy. That part just reads an awful lot like you're not part of town at all. I would expect a townie to say something like "but I'm not gonna show people that" instead of "town" or something else like that, go figure. This just really sounds like you're unconsciously dissociating yourself from "town". | ||
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On August 14 2012 21:53 Toadesstern wrote: See, that's exactly the reason I'm not trusting you, you're just like Zephirdd somehow. You manage to write those posts and they all read nice and dandy but at the same time you somehow manage to have this one phrase, word or whatever else in a lot of your posts that makes my spidersenses tingle like crazy. That part just reads an awful lot like you're not part of town at all. I would expect a townie to say something like "but I'm not gonna show people that" instead of "town" or something else like that, go figure. This just really sounds like you're unconsciously dissociating yourself from "town". and no I'm not telling people to shoot you or lynch you based on something like that, but I'd rather not have them think you're clearly a townie either because I don't think it's that clear at all. But that's it for me for today, as mentioned on my way now. | ||
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On August 14 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote: i'll quite happily sit back, do jack shit, and let town burn, if you want, toad. That's not it. It's just that the reasoning for lynching WBG and Prplhz came down to "they should be better than what they showed us". The reasoning for lynching Zeph and VE always has been "they're weird, not necessarily scummy yet but they somehow manage to get these weird phrases in their posts that really sound like they're not town and they do that a lot. Not sure what to make of it though". At least that has been the reasoning for me (check my mason-logs, I mentioned it a couple of times when talking about Zeph I think) when judging them and you're starting to give me the same feeling VE and Zephirdd gave me, unlike WBG, prplhz and Talis did. Keep doing what you're doing If I'm wrong neither of us is going to get shot and we're both happy, aren't we? :p | ||
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