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On July 20 2012 12:56 YourHarry wrote: To summarize: Jingle should have thought that vanillas also receive "roleblocked" notification (based on game XX). Therefore should NOT have thought that I was role hunting. Moreover, he continued to think I was role hunting even after our mod clarified that there was a confusion about "roleblocked" notification. I am going to the gym. Will be back in an hour or so. This is JingleHell's 4th game. His beliefs on roleblock notification aren't only influenced by game XX. I suggest looking at what the rules were regarding roleblock notification in his previous two games. On July 20 2012 13:02 YourHarry wrote: Before I leave, really quickly: Evidence why Jingle is Jail Keeper 1. No one has counter claimed. But this is semi-open, so there may not be Jail Keeper to counter claim 2. There is no reason why Jingle should have left the breadcrumb and claim JailKeeper if he were a scum. It would be very risky and almost had to depend on absence of Jail keeper. Small caveat. Jingle's initial breadcrumb did not actually say he is a jail keeper, it said JAILER CALGAR. Course of action If he is a Jail Keeper, he should be NK'ed soon enough anyway. When I come back, I am going to outline my case against calgar, who I think should be a lynch today. These are two HUGE caveats. How on earth can you suspect him after bringing these up yourself? As far as I know, that's your entire case. Hell, your points for Jingle are stronger tha your points against him. | ||
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@ iamperfection: On July 21 2012 01:18 iamperfection wrote: i might regret this but The one thing i dont like about it is that he tries to cast suspicion on you. In my view looking at it you are basically mod confirmed townie in my view now. The only other possibilty is their would have to be a roleblocker on the scum team. However, combined with your ability to play the role of aggresive townie and the actual circumstance of the bread crumb i highly doubt your lying and combined with probulous basically confirming that their is a role block role i think its safe to assume your town. What i dont like about is why would the scum team continue to rally against you. It seems kind of silly to me to try and waste effort to try and cast doubt on you. Maybe im giving the scum team to much credit but in my view thier efforts are better spent else where. So basically harrys accusation are so dumb in my view that he might be town because the scum team as whole i would think would recognize it would be a lost cause to go against you. The problem is that YourHarry isn't really going after JingleHell. He's just pointing some vague suspicion at him (roleblock stuff) while pushing a case against Calgar. Watch how his attitudes to JingleHell change: On July 20 2012 01:05 YourHarry wrote: OH WOW. I THINK WE HAVE TO KILL JINGLE HELL........ JINGLE WHY DID YOU DRAW MAFIA.......... I WILL BE BACK LATER TO CLARIFY MY THOUGHTS On July 20 2012 01:09 YourHarry wrote: But....... Calgar today, i think. Jingle tomorrow maybe. Hapha, I do understand that the absence of counter claim is the cause of doubt in my case against Jingle. Until that happens, I am in no way suggesting Jingle lynch, at least not today. All this over the last day. That should speak for itself. | ||
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On July 21 2012 01:25 JingleHell wrote: Hapa, meta case please? He's annoying as town, but not this terrible. And frankly, on the incredibly off chance he flips town, I still wouldn't call it a wasted day to ditch him. Any time there's a lull he makes the dumbest possible case? Maybe in the first half of D1 you can argue for that, but that's about it. Frankly, I find it incredibly fishy that someone who's under suspicion would try to defend Harry. Meta case was posted D1 here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398¤tpage=20#384 I'm hesitant to do anything past D1, since he's displayed awareness of his meta after this was posted. I think his D1 behavior should speak for itself though. As for iamperfection - I'm trying to wrap my head around how he voted for YourHarry a couple of pages ago to please us, and now is defending YourHarry with his vote still on him. | ||
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##unvote YourHarry ##Vote drwiggl3s Furthermore, I'll be re-opening my suspicions on tube tomorrow for this vote. (Mafia bandwagon to the rescue?) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398¤tpage=44#870 | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:32 YourHarry wrote: OMG this is a miracle, but I am OK for lynching anyone else but me of course. I think I still prefer Hopeless, but wiggles has been lurking and is trying to benefit from my lynch. ##Unvote ##Vote drwiggl3s You should send him a thank-you card, he just saved your life xD | ||
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On July 21 2012 08:45 JingleHell wrote: Fulla and Tube, you really need to explain your votes. As I mentioned a few hours ago, the timing of Tube's post is pretty rediculous: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398¤tpage=44#870 Jingle had just confronted wiggles for the scumslip, and Tube comes crashing in (without any analysis) with a vote on iamperfection, the person with the most votes at the time. Furthermore, Tube hadn't posted ALL of day 2 - a mafia sitting back and lurking while the town teared each other limb from limb? He only came back when his buddy was under fire. FOS Tube | ||
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On July 21 2012 13:13 Hopeless1der wrote: --SNIP-- Day 1, wiggles was pushing tube as his scum read. I sincerely doubt he would have tried to bus that early in the game. This is a much weaker conclusion, but the case on tube seemed like a legitimate attempt to get him lynched. I'm not 100% convinced that tube is town, but he's now going to be one of the last players I consider as a potential scum. --SNIP-- While wiggles did build a case on Tube, its important to note the timing and situation in which he did so. Wiggles votes for Tube when the bandwagon train is firmly on Obvious.660 (3 votes for obvious, vs 1 vote for a bunch of other people) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398¤tpage=22#423 They then get into an "argument" when Obvious.660 is set to lynch. After the night, drwiggl3s never mentions Tube again, even after grilling him for so long. This points to the "argument" being staged in a safe situation for both mafia. But the most incriminating evidence against Tube is his D2 vote and his complete lack of posting on D2. Tube was willing to post plently on N1, then immediately got quiet when suspicion was flying around Calgar and YourHarry. Furthermore, he comes in right when Jingle points out drwiggl3s scumslip and bandwagon votes iamperfection. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398¤tpage=44#870 <--- the vote, be sure to read the context around it | ||
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On July 21 2012 23:57 JingleHell wrote: Hapa, what do you think about that directly contradictory posting by Fulla? Can't tell if its bad-townie or mafia-oriented. He hasn't posted enough for me to make a read either way. If he continues with his low postcount (despite his earlier promises to do otherwise), he'll be my target of suspicion (after Tube of course). | ||
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On July 21 2012 23:57 calgar wrote: Careful, you know where this got me last time around lol  Oh noes D= We do have 2 days of information this time around though, so I'm pretty comfortable with the vigi taking a shot on our body of information. | ||
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On July 22 2012 02:39 iamperfection wrote: also im going to the casino for the rest of the night wish me luck. Good luck sir, may they not rob you for all you're worth =D | ||
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D2 started out on the wrong track, but fortunately we pulled a good lynch out of it at the end. Let's find us another scum D3. @ Calgar - I'm on the same page with you on iamperfection, but I thought you mentioned before the D2 lynch that you were reading him as townie? Why the change in attitude? | ||
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"Intro Posts" - The sample intro posts you give, while similar in length, are far different in content. His mafia XIX post is policy bullshit and attempting to be diplomatic. His XXI post is pretty confrontationa. "Asserting Noobiness" - He asks a legitimate question in your first quote, and then draws attention to himself (asking to clarify accusations against him) on his second. This is far from asserting "noobieness" "Attacks on other player's logic" - Again, these are completely different attitudes. In mafia XIX, he directly attacks the person's logic and uses it against them. In Mafia XXI, he disagrees with your premise, but supports your conclusion. "Showing Indecision" - Completely two different posts - he's indecisive and fingerpointing in XIX ("unsure between fencer and anceltus"), but in XXI, he is aggressive and decisive in his desire to persue "active mafia." Do I support his rationale? No. But is the tone completely different? Yeah. "A promise to return to action" - I don't think these are scumtells on their own. Plus, he did come back from the casino and delivered some Admiral Ackbar. On that subject, I find it unlikely that mafia iamperfection would come home drunk from a casino and post admiral ackbar in his defense. | ||
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@ SpeedBump - please elaborate your thoughts on iamperfection. I know you're catching up, but "gut feeling" isn't enough to get someone lynched. | ||
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