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On July 20 2012 09:11 Probulous wrote:You will not be notified if you have been blocked, only that your action has failed (if you have one). My apologies I forgot to add this to the OP, I know it is a little different so if you want me to notify people if they are blocked, please say so in thread. I feel like a dumbass right now 
Letting the blues know if they're blocked or not would be helpful if you could do it.
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Jingle since your leading this I want to ask you a question.
If YourHarry flips scum, what information do you think we will gain from that conclusion?
What if YourHarry flips town. What will be your opinion on Calgar, Hap, et all?
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So basically your saying no real information comes out of a YourHarry lynch. We're shooting for a mafia and if we miss we're back to square one?
I'm just asking because I'm trying to link things together. Trying to see what we can pull out of this lynch should it be successful or not.. And I can't really see anything.
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Its d2. We should have enough to go on to lynch for mafia scum not just for the sake of getting rid of clutter.
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Well I hope your right on this Jingle. For your sake.. being 95% sure and all. Being the person who's mostly been controlling this game, I really hope your right.
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Jingle I think you could be scum. Despite your Jailer breadcrumb / claim crap. But before I make a (possibly wrong) case, I want to see more information.
Since you're 95% sure that he's scum, I'm sure your comfortable with this. As tomorrow when he's lynched and flips scum I'll be able to believe your actually jailer.
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Lol you kidding me?
Basically you're saying I'm more suspicious as scum for settling on your lynch, than you are for leading it?
Nice way to get out of taking responsibility for your cases.
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Yes I agree that maybe Hairy is town. I never said he was either alignment. But I'm saying that you have been leading the game thus far. And that if Harry turns out to flip town it's going to look bad on you. And I'm telling you I want to see how he flips since you have been so strongly saying he's mafia. And what, now after a tiny bit of pressure you go from "95" to saying Harry is "maybe a few boxes of tinfoil short of a good conspiracy theory"?
To me it looks like your controlling this game. And soon as someone casts suspicion on you, you make a case on them.
I want to see him lynched after your grandoise case against him. Because it will tell me a lot about your alignment.
But, I'm sure being someone who doesn't want people to know about his alignment, you switch to a vote on me?
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A "blatant trap"?
All it is is that we have different play styles Jingle. You make WIFOM cases on people. You make cases based off of what they may or may not have meant in their posts. I prefer to make judgements of alignment based on reactions. It was the reason I stuck with wanting to lynch tube after I saw how when pressured he totally changed his play style. To me, this tells a lot more about ones alignment than whatever you may perceive to be as a "slip" or whatever.
I know what colour I'll flip to. And since you've been the person controlling the game, if Harry flips green I'll conclude that your either mafia, or bad town leading us down a hole.
Anyway, what is your reaction to my pressure? Hmm? Soon as one of your town full of sheep (thus far) tries to call you out you switch your vote to him. This does 2 things. For one, it makes it so Harry won't get lynched (therefore you don't have to be responsible to the case I'm making against you). And for two, you're trying to kill off me (as someone who could push for a lynch against you) just to keep the town full of people that'll only sheep you.
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So the case on me is that I suggested Jingle might be just leading town down the shitter?
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If Harry is lynched it will at least tell us SOMETHING about who is town and who isn't in this game. If I'm lynched what will it tell you when I flip town? We'll be back to D1. No correlations, or connections, or anything. Do you really want to throw your D2 lynch away like this?
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I want you to answer it Jingle. Since your the one leading another bandwagon on another townie here. Don't draw the attention away from yourself. If I'm going to get lynched and when I flip town I want everyone to know and be sure that they should think twice about what your alignment really is.
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I'll be happy to respond to your case if it'll save us from wasting a lynch. Give me a moment here.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 21 2012 04:29 JingleHell wrote:Since the beginning, drwiggl3s has lurked. Scummy. He's showed up in controversial moments to give us great pearls of wisdom. Like these. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 05:46 drwiggl3s wrote:On July 17 2012 05:39 tube wrote:
the points against me are that im being an active lurker and thats supposedly our best lynch
how am i supposed to respond to that other than "i just felt like posting" because i didnt want to be inactive
from my point of view im not attracting suspicion to begin with Hmm.. Usually Mafia feel the need to post and "fit in" as they have an inherit sense of guilt. Do you think making non-productive posts makes you look more town? Seems like it has the opposite effect. I'd suggest you share some of your reads with us. What you think about other players etc. If you are town and really do want to get the heat of you.. If you're mafia than keep doing what your doing  Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 08:53 drwiggl3s wrote:Glad you could join is Fulla  In my experience (LVI) it seemed that the first lynch did not turn out to be scum. But that's just down to odds right.. However, one player who posted short reads, accusations, one liners (Bill Murray in that game) ended up being Mafia Boss and was shot N1. Food for thought I guess. Kind of hard to extrapolate good data or trends for D1. Truly food for thought. Day 1, he voted for Tube well after that dust had cleared. Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 03:42 drwiggl3s wrote:Ah ebwop Vote ##tubeOn July 18 2012 03:38 tube wrote:
you're using the same argument that obvious backtracked on
theres literally no difference between the way i was talking before and the way i am now except i use punctuation and capitalization
how do you even get coached in mafia why does everyone keep suggesting this There was a huge difference. But since that post and everyone calling you out on it, YOU have since back tracked and modified your play and posting style to the way it was before. He visibly disassociated himself from the Obvious mislynch, which he seems to be capitalizing on now. Here, he makes a scummy statement about killing Calgar purely for the information. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 03:34 drwiggl3s wrote:
For my reads right now, I wouldn't mind testing the waters with a Calgar lynch. Getting one of the major players out of the way and see what he flips. This could tell us a lot about iamperfection as well as others who are resistant (or soft defending) a Calgar lynch. And now his recent posting binge. Asking great questions, like what kind of info people might be able to glean from current situations once they resolve. Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 02:35 drwiggl3s wrote:
Jingle since your leading this I want to ask you a question.
If YourHarry flips scum, what information do you think we will gain from that conclusion?
What if YourHarry flips town. What will be your opinion on Calgar, Hap, et all? And generally setting things up so that no matter how Harry flips, he's in a good position. Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:50 drwiggl3s wrote:
Jingle I think you could be scum. Despite your Jailer breadcrumb / claim crap. But before I make a (possibly wrong) case, I want to see more information.
Since you're 95% sure that he's scum, I'm sure your comfortable with this. As tomorrow when he's lynched and flips scum I'll be able to believe your actually jailer. Thoughts?
I'll be responding to the above case in points.
1) The "Pearls of Wisdom". Those were day 1 posts. I was trying to encourage others to talk, and to be helpful. There it's clear when I responded to Fulla's question regarding how often mafia actually get lynched day 1. The first post you quoted against tube was me trying to be constructive. Instead of calling him out for his scum slip saying that he "just felt like posting" I tried to explain why this makes him look scummy to us. And I encouraged him to share some reads with us to get more information out of him. Just because I don't post as much as you do doesn't mean I don't actively think out my posts and try to figure out what reaction I can expect from a player. So yes they are "Food for though" despite not spamming up an entire page like you need to.
2) I've already made it clear that I was tunnelling onto tube for his change of play style. I told you that I think people's reactions are a better determining factor of their alignment than their posting. I thought that tube was a better lynch due to his big change in play style once the heat was on. This over obvious who made some controversially possibly scum posts. Despite this being newbie mafia, I believe the mafia are still competent enough to not make obvious scum slips. And that it's only town (who naturally don't feel a sense of worry or guilt as much as mafia) to post more freely and make these "slips" you are even accusing me of.
3) My post on Calgar was to state I support his lynch. I however didn't follow it with a vote as their were already votes on him (I'll explain in next sentences). My reasoning for this was it was early in the day, and I wanted to see who came out of the woodwork to defend Calgar. For example, I was looking to see if a lurker came out to defend him with some off the wall case, or if someone else really tried pushing for someone else. The reason I didn't vote for him immediately was I didn't want it to seem that it was impossible to save him. If that was the case than a lurker who is mafia might not risk the exposure to save someone who is already likely to be lynched.
4) As far as "setting" stuff up goes. I wanted to make it clear that I am suspicious of you and that I was going for a Harry lynch not because I fully believe in the case against him, but because I think it'll shed light on the most active players in this game. Namely you. If he flipped town I was going to make a case on you D3 if you ended up as a "confirmed jailer" and yet STILL alive after N2. That was the point I was trying to make. I wasn't setting myself up to "look good" or trying to kill a confirmed townie. I was just saying that if you lead the lynch on a townie, you should be held at least somewhat accountable. And IF you survived N2 as a confirmed town / jailer, it'd make me VERY suspicious if that is your actual alignment.
I hope this is satisfactory. But I'm up for follow up questions or anything else.
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1 & 2) I think posting that "Hey I think the guy you think is confirmed town/ jailer could actually be scum if he lives to D3" qualifies as "posting pretty freely".
3) I was not ignoring the case or suggesting to lynch for information. Did you just read my explanation? I was trying to get someone to come out from being a lurker and defend him, possibly netting us two Mafia if Calgar went on to be lynched. I even gave you my reason as to why I didn't throw my vote on Calgar that early.
4) How would that make me look good? I'm not trying to take over the game here, you're the one that's in control since D1 are you not? All I was doing was telling straight to YOU that I think you could be scum depending on how today and tonight turns out. Don't you agree that if you live past tonight it will be seen as suspicious? I never said I was for lynching Harry for information, I said I can settle on that case because it will tell me something about you (especially if you live to D3). What part about that don't you get?
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Can anyone else comment or respond to the case that's been made on me.
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1) I'm not trying to set a trap for you. The whole reason for me telling you this out right was to see your reaction and to see how confident you actually were with your read on Harry. It can be said that your decision to vote switch to me was because of my "apparent sudden scuminess", or self preservation. Trying to discredit me or get me lynched as scum just like your trying to lynch Harry for actually speaking up against you and being honest about suspicions I'm sure others must have against you.
2) How was my posting on Calgar not at the very worst a good try to get more mafia to come out? Was this post any worse than your stupid "bread crumbing"? It was an honest attempt to scum hunt. And no, it wasn't "gullible". You yourself didn't even realise my intention behind posting that until I explained it to you. All you seem to know to jump on is scum "slips" or threats against yourself. You aren't actually participating in scum hunting that isn't full blown and throwing huge piles of WIFOM at each other.
3) I made it clear that I will make the case and tell the town if D3 should come and you're still alive and Harry is flipped as green. I wasn't implying I had knowledge you don't. I wasn't even posting when you weren't there. I posted straight after you did to say directly to you that I'm suspicious of you. And your reaction was to vote for me DESPITE having "95%" FOR SURE case against Harry. I wanted to gauge your reaction (one of self preservation), and it has given me more proof that if you live past the night, that you're actually scum and playing us all for fools.
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