I REALLY dislike how many votes Harry is getting it just makes me think of an exact bandwagon repeat of the obvious lynch. If he was scum I'd at least expect a struggle other scum trying to defend him or accuse others. Or if not scum jumping in and bussing him for town cred.

As far as I know jingle is confirmed town? So I will just vote whatever he says. He's a much better player than me anyways.

I'm at work so I can't contribute much this is from my mobile. I'll be back 30 min before deadline for a better read and vote.

I still think my current vote is scum hopeless or hapless sorry I forgot? The guy trying to lynch me for nothing. But I'll back jingle.

Last thing the eerie silence about Harry getting lynched makes me think mafia are just sitting back laughing letting it happen. Can we vote someone else please?

Fulla

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July 20 2012 20:57 GMT

#906

@wiggles it is dodgy that you basically said "fine I will go with this lynch BUT if he flips town jingle we should lynch you".

As jingle said its like you're trying to close the deal on the lunch and setup jingle for when he flips town.

Fulla

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July 20 2012 21:30 GMT

#919

Wiggles

Scenario - If Harry is town, jingle is jailor and you are scum.

It would make perfect sense for you to
- lynch Harry
- NOT kill jingle at night go for someone else
- Say he must be lying about role as jk next day as scum would have killed the jk obviously and get him lynched

Would that not be a perfect plan? By the way you acted?

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 20 2012 22:48 GMT

#934

Mod said he was going on holiday or something right? So guess we'll have to wait for the result.

Fulla

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July 20 2012 23:53 GMT

#953

On July 21 2012 08:45 JingleHell wrote:
Fulla and Tube, you really need to explain your votes.

Simple, wiggles had more than enough votes so I just left it.

I'd like to add I think hopeless if scum with him, I will post more on that tomorrow.

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 20 2012 23:57 GMT

#956

Yes of course it's 1am here I need sleep

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 21 2012 15:02 GMT

#992

Earlier on I thought tube was just a noob and being overly bashed for little reason. Considering his utter sudden silence and last second voting patterns as everyone else has pointed out I'm leaning more towards scum now.

Vigi kill, I thought there was a low chance of a vigi now? 2 blues I don't know what the usual blue count is, I recall someone saying in newb mafia there tends to be alot of greens.

Anyways, I guess Jingle will have to pray there's a medic or hopefully he'll guess and protect the right target.

SCUM I think it's tube & hopeless. (notice how hopeless is also trying to protect him).

I say vigi shoot/lynch tube, then me or hopeless in either order.
I'm satisfied with that and we win.

Unless there are other suspects?
Speedbump/Mufa can anything said about them/him?

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 21 2012 15:27 GMT

#994

I just did.

I gave my reasons about hopeless from the start, nobody seemed to care.

Fulla

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July 21 2012 15:50 GMT

#996

On July 21 2012 23:49 JingleHell wrote:

Show nested quote +

I more have the impression you bussed him, but without contributing your vote. Given you were around at the time, making posts like this one:

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That almost looks like a better version of what wiggles tried to do to me.

Of course, Tube also looks completely shady right now, as Hapa outlined.

I go mostly on gut feeling, not so much on reads. Not good I know sorry.

When you was going for Harry, I really wasn't liking it. In my gut it just didn't feel right I didn't feel he was scum. I urged you not to lynch him. Fortunately you changed.

When you brought the case against Wiggles It sat right with me, his actions, your case I agreed with everything. I brought a few points, he just said he refused to speak to me or you. Fair enough whatever.

I chose not to vote as I said it wouldn't have made a difference, but also I wanted it be clear that wiggles was not 100% going down. My keeping my vote off, it's gives scum that slight believe in a chance to save him.

Which were we saw tube suddenly jump in and put a vote on perfection. Now question, had I voted on wiggles immediately and it was looking 100% wiggles was a gonna. Would tube have done that, I don't think so.

So my actions I atleast believe contributed to catching tube. Thoughts???

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 21 2012 15:58 GMT

#997

It's almost Saturday night I'm going out, probably be hugely hungover tomorrow. So I'll give a last case on why I think Tube & help are scum together.

I don't have much time, so no quotes sorry, but I'll outline my analogy, thoughts and whats generally going through my mind.

- The game starts off, tube begins getting heavily suspected.
- I confess I myself thought people were over reacting.
- Hopeless however goes even further way further he says give tube a day to sort himself out and starts heavily trying to get me suspected, in others words going after a 1 out of 4 lurker, (1 of which was a scum). Why so diligent on 1 guy? What about the other 3?
- Not only that but he keeps implicating it further basically building a case out of nothing. Hoping others will latch on.
- He was trying to divert attention from tube and get me suspects basically.

This is even worse in my eyes, which sealed the deal:
- Next we have tube acting very suspiciously now.
- The ONLY person who defends him again is Hopeless, he cleverly tried to make him a confirmed townie, along with Jingle and Calgar. Which if you believe that you'd probably hmm point maybe hopeless is town too?

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 21 2012 16:04 GMT

#998

Anyways, I'm not as a stubborn idiot as I probably come across, if people can convince me hopeless is town I'd glady listen, but from my perspective everything he has done thus far has been scummy.

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 21 2012 23:30 GMT

#1015

I've been accused/questioned, so I've written a defense but no answers. So first off why am I suspicious?
Tell me what you want me to answer and I can help.
It would help if I wasn't ignored

Also, so how many blue roles usually are there? We can pretty much assume there's no medic, is there usually 3 thou. So we might have a vigi to help?

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 22 2012 17:37 GMT

#1033

It seems to have a went a bit dead...

@Iamperfection - who do you think is/are scum? What are your thoughts?

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 22 2012 18:17 GMT

#1035

I've tried building a case but it just gets ignored.

If someone would point out why I am wrong or they disagree I could rethink.

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 23 2012 14:33 GMT

#1060

Honestly don't see why I'm so suspicious. Low post count, I've tried to give reads, I try to only post when I can contribute something, I prefer a no bullshit approach, in the TL mafia guide it says that's the best way to help town, less posts + your reads + no nonsense.

I'd just be rehashing whats others have said, which is unnecessary clutter.
Everything I have said I have thought has contributed, if not tell me why?

I'd like to point out i tube several pages ago, now you are ALL agreeing yet saying I'm suspicious?

On the other hand it doesn't bother me to much, I still think it's both Tube and Hopeless, if/when it turns out that I'm seriously going to laugh. I'm sure tube will flip scum his excuses are ridiculous.

##vote tube

@Speedbump - I'd be very happy to hear your analysis, nobody else has just only tell me I'm suspicious each day.

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 23 2012 22:02 GMT

#1068

Not even trying to defend?

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 23 2012 22:17 GMT

#1070

On July 24 2012 01:16 calgar wrote:
I’ll ask you though, fulla, why/how did you read Harry as town initially? He had very few posts until the kill obvious one-liners which is what made you go back on your initial read. This is the biggest criticism I can come up with for your play.

Initially (very early on) he was a bit dodgy with what he saying, like everyone else he was raising my eyebrows.

Then he went up against a confirmed JK Town, I found it completely bizarre!!! I didn't think a scum would do this, especially with everyone jumping on the lynch Harry bandwagon so fast and no team mate trying to divert attention to someone else.

If you read my posts at the time, I was urging caution and suggesting to lynch some else. Fortunately Wiggles screwed himself over so we found him.

Fulla

United Kingdom519 Posts

July 30 2012 20:30 GMT

#1239

@Calgar I think you're last defense was a bit too long.

As Hapa said should have purely and only focused on the essential 2-3 points and nothing else.