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On July 21 2012 04:47 drwiggl3s wrote: A "blatant trap"? All it is is that we have different play styles Jingle. You make WIFOM cases on people. You make cases based off of what they may or may not have meant in their posts. I prefer to make judgements of alignment based on reactions. It was the reason I stuck with wanting to lynch tube after I saw how when pressured he totally changed his play style. To me, this tells a lot more about ones alignment than whatever you may perceive to be as a "slip" or whatever. I know what colour I'll flip to. And since you've been the person controlling the game, if Harry flips green I'll conclude that your either mafia, or bad town leading us down a hole. Anyway, what is your reaction to my pressure? Hmm? Soon as one of your town full of sheep (thus far) tries to call you out you switch your vote to him. This does 2 things. For one, it makes it so Harry won't get lynched (therefore you don't have to be responsible to the case I'm making against you). And for two, you're trying to kill off me (as someone who could push for a lynch against you) just to keep the town full of people that'll only sheep you. Yes, a blatant trap, which you're continuing to try and set for me, and in doing so, shoving your foot deeper into your mouth. Your plan backfired. A lurker can't suddenly come out of the woodwork without drawing heavy attention to motive, and the only plausible motive for your current play is to get me lynched. And now you're in survival mode because it was spotted and called out. | ||
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On July 21 2012 04:58 drwiggl3s wrote: So the case on me is that I suggested Jingle might be just leading town down the shitter? Would someone else like to answer this? He actually managed to stop my sarcasm generator from getting power temporarily. | ||
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2: You're not a prolific poster, you say And that it's only town (who naturally don't feel a sense of worry or guilt as much as mafia) to post more freely and make these "slips" you are even accusing me of. Except again, you're not posting that freely. Until just now, you've been fairly careful and cagey, hiding behind safe blanket statement things like outlined in the first portion. Everyone makes slips, and you're going into hypothetical "Scum me would be smarter than townie me" territory. Factor in that you're calling me scummy based on play that that quote of you calls a town trait... yeah, that sounds scummy to me. 3: You were ignoring the case, and instead suggesting lynching for information. That sounds scummy no matter how you cut it. You didn't care about the details either way, but you were fine with the notion of a bandwagon happening under someone else's guidance "for information". 4: You're suspicious of me for playing in what you called a town manner in your own defense, and trying to say things in advance of the flip that will make me look bad if he flips green, and you would look good, because you said those things. The townie play would be to try to defend him if you think my case is so terrible, not to allow him to be mislynched for information without the slightest attempt at defense. The only rationale for the way you played it is if you already have info on how Harry will flip, and want to set the stage to make me look bad, and you good, to secure a mislynch on me tomorrow. | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:39 drwiggl3s wrote: 1 & 2) I think posting that "Hey I think the guy you think is confirmed town/ jailer could actually be scum if he lives to D3" qualifies as "posting pretty freely". I don't, it falls into what I've said about obvious attempts to set a trap for me. 3) I was not ignoring the case or suggesting to lynch for information. Did you just read my explanation? I was trying to get someone to come out from being a lurker and defend him, possibly netting us two Mafia if Calgar went on to be lynched. I even gave you my reason as to why I didn't throw my vote on Calgar that early. And let me guess, someone wrote "gullible" on the ceiling? 4) How would that make me look good? I'm not trying to take over the game here, you're the one that's in control since D1 are you not? All I was doing was telling straight to YOU that I think you could be scum depending on how today and tonight turns out. Don't you agree that if you live past tonight it will be seen as suspicious? I never said I was for lynching Harry for information, I said I can settle on that case because it will tell me something about you (especially if you live to D3). What part about that don't you get? You shouldn't be trying to tell me I'm scum. You should be trying to tell the town. And you do that by waiting to see proof of scumminess, not by trying to establish it prior to something. The implication that you have foreknowledge of a flip suggests you're scum. | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:55 drwiggl3s wrote: 1) I'm not trying to set a trap for you. The whole reason for me telling you this out right was to see your reaction and to see how confident you actually were with your read on Harry. It can be said that your decision to vote switch to me was because of my "apparent sudden scuminess", or self preservation. Trying to discredit me or get me lynched as scum just like your trying to lynch Harry for actually speaking up against you and being honest about suspicions I'm sure others must have against you. Remember my "Shades of gray" post earlier? Guess what, things change, especially when new information comes to light in the form of a lurker rearing their head to make dodgy posts. 2) How was my posting on Calgar not at the very worst a good try to get more mafia to come out? Was this post any worse than your stupid "bread crumbing"? It was an honest attempt to scum hunt. And no, it wasn't "gullible". You yourself didn't even realise my intention behind posting that until I explained it to you. All you seem to know to jump on is scum "slips" or threats against yourself. You aren't actually participating in scum hunting that isn't full blown and throwing huge piles of WIFOM at each other. I refuse to buy this. You might be able to convince me you're into active scum hunting if you weren't attacking me for active scum hunting. 3) I made it clear that I will make the case and tell the town if D3 should come and you're still alive and Harry is flipped as green. I wasn't implying I had knowledge you don't. I wasn't even posting when you weren't there. I posted straight after you did to say directly to you that I'm suspicious of you. And your reaction was to vote for me DESPITE having "95%" FOR SURE case against Harry. I wanted to gauge your reaction (one of self preservation), and it has given me more proof that if you live past the night, that you're actually scum and playing us all for fools. I'm quite confident that if you flip green, your wish to see me flipped will come true, you can just serve as the test instead of harry. Isn't that altruistic of you? | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:06 drwiggl3s wrote: Well yes I said I'm fine lynching either me or Harry. But I said I'd rather we go with Harry who I know may or may not be actual scum, than myself who I know is town. Well, if your primary intent is to use a sacrifice to somehow prove I'm scum, use yourself. It's only polite. And the best test of whether I'm really scum hunting or not. After all, if me shifting to you is only a self preservation instinct, and harry might be scum, and you're so definitely town (according to you) then a harry lynch (led by me) might actually just let me mislead everybody. After all, hypothetical scum me could just be throwing Harry to the wolves to earn sufficient town credit to win the game! That, plus my (clearly faked) JK claim could add up to some brilliant strategy with at least as many layers as an ogre. | ||
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The only WIFOM I'm throwing around is YOUR WIFOM that you're trying to use against me. I'm just trying to summarize it. And if you flip green, I WANT people to lynch me to get me out of the town's way, wiggles, so no need to worry about that. You still seem very worried about lynching for info, by the way, which is still scummy as all fuck. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:20 drwiggl3s wrote: I am not throwing ANY WIFOM at you Jingle. I was stating my thoughts and why I did what I did. I haven't even made a case against you at this point as I said I wouldn't until we see what happens past the night. The only theoretical content I mentioned was this "Lynch for info"? did you not say you were 95% sure that Harry is scum? I want to kill scum. Self lynching myself would just be purely for information that you may or may not dissuade the town into ignoring. This is heavy WIFOM. On July 21 2012 05:23 drwiggl3s wrote: . And IF you survived N2 as a confirmed town / jailer, it'd make me VERY suspicious if that is your actual alignment. At least, considering that you were apparently very convinced I could be right about Harry. And again, if you weren't, you should be presenting evidence on his behalf. Not trying to change how someone looks after the lynch. On July 21 2012 02:44 drwiggl3s wrote: So basically your saying no real information comes out of a YourHarry lynch. We're shooting for a mafia and if we miss we're back to square one? Talking about lynching for info like it should be a priority over lynching for red. On July 20 2012 03:34 drwiggl3s wrote: For my reads right now, I wouldn't mind testing the waters with a Calgar lynch. Getting one of the major players out of the way and see what he flips. This could tell us a lot about iamperfection as well as others who are resistant (or soft defending) a Calgar lynch. No matter how you dress it up, this is suggesting lynching for info... And, of course, I'm pretty sure that each time you respond, more chunks of my original case against you disappear from what you're responding to. Without me or anyone else sounding even slightly convinced. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:35 drwiggl3s wrote: Yes that would be a good plan but your suggesting that there's nothing Jingle can do at night (as jailer) to confirm himself. Couldn't he role block someone we consider to be town and if they vouch than we know he's actually jailer. Can anyone else say something as well. I don't want to only talk to Jingle and Fulla who said Oh? What happened to this attitude? On July 21 2012 05:03 drwiggl3s wrote: I want you to answer it Jingle. Since your the one leading another bandwagon on another townie here. Don't draw the attention away from yourself. If I'm going to get lynched and when I flip town I want everyone to know and be sure that they should think twice about what your alignment really is. | ||
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Your countercase is a joke without a punchline, you cherry pick tiny chunks and ignore all the inconvenient bits, and make things up. Of course I'm not satisfied. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:45 drwiggl3s wrote: What did I ignore? You said the case on Harry is a dark shade of grey did you not? All this says to me is you were giving yourself some wiggle room should he flip green. You even mentioned how maybe he is honestly scum hunting with his case on you... seems like you were just giving yourself room to negotiate should he flip green and the town ask you wtf? Actually, I was just discussing the fact that there is no way to be 100% certain until someone flips. Your interpretation is certainly amusing, since you keep suggesting that you're not trying to use WIFOM to get out of this situation you're in. | ||
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