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@Milton: That case is bad, very bad.
You are just telling people what I did.
Yes I defended talis from pressure on D1, yes I said I wouldn't want him lynched on D1, yes I voted Vivax
....so? Why does that make me scum? Are you willing to state why the fuck I'm scum? You are just explaining what I did and somehow using it to show I'm scum, and also using confirmation bias to do so? That's not how it works
It's possible that he was defending his scumbuddy
He noticed that sciberbia was connecting him and talismania, and thus voted tali in order to try and break that connection.
There are confirmation bias and you can't base a case on this at all.
Yes, me and talis being scum is not impossible, neither is you and sciberbia being scum, nor Risen and Dropbear being scum, nor talis and solstice being scum, etc.
I'm sure if you go with the "Okay let's assume X is scum....let's see what I find that is consistent with that so I can explain why it is" mindset you won't do shit since you can do that with ANY player in the game.
Moving on to N2, he makes cases against both S&B and tali, stating that the case against S&B is the one he favors. This is a really safe play by scum. It puts his effort behind an S&B lynch, while still leaving him open to bus tali if the situation called for it.
Ehmm...no
Read N2 again, I'm clearly backing off pushing S&B at that time and having mixed feelings about him. At all I'm leaning more on "bussing" talis than acccusing S&B or anything else.
Are you scum Milton? Your play this past day seems to indicate so to me
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On July 20 2012 05:19 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 05:13 gonzaw wrote:
Also Mattchew, you don't need to post "what are your thoughts about my case?" 100 times, it only makes you seem like you are active when in fact you are just repeating the same thing over and over when people already fucking read your case since it was 1 post long and it's not that hard to find in your filter.
I want them to write opinions, in you know, the thread
I thought everybody voting me and making huge "he's bussing talismania" posts would be enough?
Your case is "bad" (the 1st half of it is uber bad, really, it's confirmation bias at its finest), the only "remotely interesting" thing is what you wrote about my behaviour on D2 regarding talis, but everything else is bad and you haven't even posted ANYTHING that makes me scum other than that.
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EBWOP:
"Ehmm...no
Read N1 again, I'm clearly backing off pushing S&B at that time and having mixed feelings about him. At all I'm leaning more on "bussing" talis than acccusing S&B or anything else.
Are you scum Milton? Your play this past day seems to indicate so to me"
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Fucking hell I put more effort in this game than in any other and this is how I'm rewarded
Fuck it I'll just lurk any game from now on, ever since Bang Bang I had a feeling that "oh he posting a lot doesn't make him town because he does the same thing as scum.....yeah let's ignore everything he said and lynch him" sentiment that happens in UG as well would transfer.
*calms down*
*breathes*
This isn't helping at all, but damn I'm angry.
Anyways, I've already posted everything I could, I seriously don't know what else to do.
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what the, what is this?
lol
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On July 20 2012 06:24 sciberbia wrote:
@s0Lstice
Honestly right now I wish I found Mattchew scummy but I just don't buy that any of the evidence you listed is that scummy. I feel like parts of your case were quite a stretch, such as the fact that he didn't die last night implies him as mafia. And why doesn't the fact that he actually contributed significantly to the talis lynch count for anything? I just really don't see why we should lynch Mattchew.
I still think gonzaw has a good chance at flipping scum. Miltonkram has made me more suspicious of him today, but on the whole, his filter isn't all that suspicious. I'd hate to lynch Keirathi today. Really the only lynch I feel like I could really get behind is gonzaw.
You know, I'm starting to get a little bit suspicious of this "I'm ignoring everybody, I think gonzaw is more likely to flip scum" yet you never address anything I posted.
Hmm...makes it unlikely based on your previous play but I can't ignore any possibility
Why haven't you commented on ANYTHING I've written so far? You even just shrugged my defense saying "nah" and nothing else.
People, before switching your votes to Mattchew instantly like this, could you give some reasoning?
Granted, it's 20 minutes before deadline, but can you guys at least read what I posted about him?
I never like people switching votes without reasoning.
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On July 20 2012 06:40 sciberbia wrote:
Well it looks like we are lynching Mattchew?
I really hope you guys are right about him. My only solace here is that both s0Lstice and gonzaw seem really sure about mattchew and they can't both be scum.
Can you read my posts and state what you think of them?
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Okay, EVERYBODY post your reasoning for voting Mattchew today:
Milton, Keirathi, I didn't really see you wanting to vote Mattchew today, why the insta vote switch?
Milton already posted a little bit, but could you post further reasons?
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Wow, I was just informed I passed a test I didn't think I'd have a chance to pass, and now it seems I won't get lynched and Mattchew will instead.
If he flips scum this will make my day :D
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On July 20 2012 06:40 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 06:40 sciberbia wrote:
Well it looks like we are lynching Mattchew?
I really hope you guys are right about him. My only solace here is that both s0Lstice and gonzaw seem really sure about mattchew and they can't both be scum.
Can you read my posts and state what you think of them?
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On July 20 2012 06:45 Mattchew wrote:
When I flip town will you guys please please lynch gonzaw
This would be a good time to post who you think is my scumbuddy
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On July 20 2012 06:47 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 06:46 gonzaw wrote:On July 20 2012 06:45 Mattchew wrote:
When I flip town will you guys please please lynch gonzaw
This would be a good time to post who you think is my scumbuddy I think your scum buddy is pretty easy to find if risen is actually a cop, or its risen
Who is it? I don't see who is "pretty easy to find"
Keirathi? Dropbear? Milton?
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On July 20 2012 06:50 sciberbia wrote:
@s0Lstice, @gonzaw
How confident are you in this lynch right now?
I have 2 thoughts right now:
1)I'm not getting lynched so I'm pretty confident in any lynch that's not mine
2)Yes, I'm pretty confident Mattchew is scum, he's the guy I'm most confident lynching, specially after Milton changed his mind quickly like that (ehmm, I'm not really sure what to think of that. If Matt flips scum I doubt he's scum though)
@Milton: What made you change your mind about me and Mattchew so suddenly?
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On July 20 2012 06:52 Miltonkram wrote:
I was looking through Mafia LVI, like s0Lstice advised, and I noticed that Mattchew was a lot more active posting reads against/for any and all players. He did that as medic, a role that has a reason keeping it's head down. I'd imagine a VT Mattchew would be more open with his reads.
Mattchew has largely kept his commentary on the players he is tunneling. This is a good scum tactic that keeps him from ever contradicting himself or slipping. His play for credit in the talismania lynch was also pretty damn scummy.
What made you change your mind about me?
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On July 20 2012 06:55 sciberbia wrote:
@keirathi, @miltonkram, @risen
Are you sure you guys aren't just being influenced by gonzaw's loud defense and you just feel less guilty about mislynching mattchew?
Are you sure mattchew is actually more likely to be scum?
I'm interested in this because nobody ever gave a fuck about me until 20 minutes ago. Everybody ignored me yet now they listen to me about Mattchew.
I'll make my mind about it once Matt flips though.
I still want to see what you think of the things I wrote and my "loud defense" (it's not a "defense" it's a "contribution") scib
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Kiss my butt Mattchew 
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So, solstice+Milton+Keirathi+Risen basically confirmed town
Dropbear scum then? Unless there's that "super Framer that frames buddies who happened to frame S&B", or sciberbia is scum
If one of you 2 is mason CLAIM NOW, we'll lynch you if not. Dropbear first scib second.
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EPT
