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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 19:42 GMT
#1398
[b][green]WBG: can we get an updated vote count? And clarification on the Framer role (Can he make teammates return green to cop checks, or only make townies return red? And if he can make teammates return green, can he target himself?), please.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 19:43 GMT
#1399
EBWOP: Formatting.

WBG: can we get an updated vote count? And clarification on the Framer role (Can he make teammates return green to cop checks, or only make townies return red? And if he can make teammates return green, can he target himself?), please.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 20:44 GMT
#1411
Ugh, 2 hours until the lynch and I have no idea what to do.

1) Mattchew: His case against talis was weak. Scib's case was much stronger, but Matt tried to take credit for the lynch. I have no trouble believe Matt could/would bus his teamate on day2, especially just a few hours after a townie came out and made a big case. It's also a bit worrisome (and WIFOM) that towards the end of the day, sciberbia mentioned that he was going to be pushing gonzaw today, and then again not longer after sciberbia laid out his case, Matt follows in with a case again.

2) Gonzaw: I was willing to vote him at the start of the day because I legitimately read Risen's cop claim post as "I have a red check on gonzaw" (I assume s0l did too, since he hopped on the wagon too). His early posting after the claim was pretty ridiculous and I find it hard to believe that town gonzaw didn't realize Risen was claiming cop, but his posting later in the day really feels like desperation. Not that mafia don't get desperate when they are close to being voted, but I dunno. I can't shake the feeling that the talis connections are being blown out of proportion and that gonzaw is fighting so hard to save himself because he is town.

3) Risen: I think I've made it perfectly clear that I think there was no reason whatsoever for a real cop to claim. You had virtually no chance of getting shot that night if you hadn't said #whatacopout, so for someone "trying hard not to get shot", that seems like something suspiciously bad to be saying. But for all that, I'm just not sure a scum would play that stupid. Maybe they have some master plan such as this, but it seems like such a huge risk. I also don't like how he gave himself outs ("if gonzaw flips red, Matt is scum, if he flips green, keir/scib are scum"). Anyways I've pointed out my problems with him for most of my filter for today, which is significantly long.

4) Milton: Holy shit this post looks bad. As much as the cases against gonzaw look scummy, theres no way I would say he's spewing shit and half-baked opinions all over the thread. The roleblock claim is weird, but I can't necessarily think it is scummy if there's the possibility that marv was RB'd and shot night 1.

scib/s0lstice/s&b/drop are all conditionally townie to me atm.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 20:47 GMT
#1414
Also I just want to say again that Mason: I hate you.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 21:07 GMT
#1421
On July 20 2012 06:05 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 06:03 Miltonkram wrote:
@ s0Lstice
I've considered the Mattchew lynch. There are things about his play that don't sit well with me, but I've given him the BOTD because his case against gonzaw was pretty good. If you can drum up support, I'll consider him.


>.>

<.<

Agree 100%.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 21:17 GMT
#1424
s0lstice: err, I just made a post with my thoughts about Matt. Yes, I would vote him.

I won't let a NL happen though if it can be helped at all.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 21:17 GMT
#1425
On July 20 2012 06:14 gonzaw wrote:
When is the deadline?

5pm CST, aka 43 minutes.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 21:24 GMT
#1429
On July 20 2012 04:43 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: Formatting.

WBG: can we get an updated vote count? And clarification on the Framer role (Can he make teammates return green to cop checks, or only make townies return red? And if he can make teammates return green, can he target himself?), please.

My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 21:34 GMT
#1437
On July 17 2012 04:51 Keirathi wrote:
1) "Gonzaw's parrot" -

+ Show Spoiler +
gonzaw

Townie Reads: Vivax, solstice, scib, tali, me; Risen, me; austin,

Scum Reads: Risen, S&B, matt; austin, S&B, me, drop, risen; S&B, tali, austin; Tali, Drop, solstice, matt, risen, me;

Null Reads: marv, austin, Risen;;

Arguments against: Drop, Risen, Milton, matt; matt, Risen; Matt, Risen,

votes: Drop, me, vivax;;tali

(Note: the ;'s indicate changing from day to night and vice versa)


That's just a quick list and I probably missed some. You could claim that literally anyone was gonzaw's parrot and you'd be mostly correct. As far as I can tell, tali has only really made pushes for Drop and austin, so its a pretty weak argument imo.


@Milton: this is a snippet from my post about sciberbia day2. Check the spoiler. Yes I have tried to keep up with him.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 21:37 GMT
#1444
As much as I'm unsure about today, I feel a little stronger about Mattchew than gonzaw.

Unvote
Vote: Mattchew
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 21:40 GMT
#1453
On July 20 2012 06:37 Keirathi wrote:
As much as I'm unsure about today, I feel a little stronger about Mattchew than gonzaw.

Unvote
Vote: Mattchew


##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew

Fix'd
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 21:44 GMT
#1464
On July 20 2012 06:41 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, EVERYBODY post your reasoning for voting Mattchew today:

Milton, Keirathi, I didn't really see you wanting to vote Mattchew today, why the insta vote switch?
Milton already posted a little bit, but could you post further reasons?


I already posted why.

Keirathi wrote:
1) Mattchew: His case against talis was weak. Scib's case was much stronger, but Matt tried to take credit for the lynch. I have no trouble believe Matt could/would bus his teamate on day2, especially just a few hours after a townie came out and made a big case. It's also a bit worrisome (and WIFOM) that towards the end of the day, sciberbia mentioned that he was going to be pushing gonzaw today, and then again not longer after sciberbia laid out his case, Matt follows in with a case again.


I also gave some thoughts about you in the same post. I'm guessing you just missed it. But today is almost certainly going to come down to you vs Matt, and I feel stronger about Matt than I do you.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 21:57 GMT
#1487
On July 20 2012 06:55 sciberbia wrote:
@keirathi, @miltonkram, @risen
Are you sure you guys aren't just being influenced by gonzaw's loud defense and you just feel less guilty about mislynching mattchew?

Are you sure mattchew is actually more likely to be scum?


I haven't really found gonzaw scummy all game until today, and most of that was because of his early play after Risen claimed cop.

I did, however, think Mattchew was scummy yesterday, and nothing he did today made him look more townie.

I still think you are tied in with him too hard because he's been buddying you and copied your reads.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 22:00 GMT
#1497
On July 20 2012 06:58 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 06:57 Keirathi wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:55 sciberbia wrote:
@keirathi, @miltonkram, @risen
Are you sure you guys aren't just being influenced by gonzaw's loud defense and you just feel less guilty about mislynching mattchew?

Are you sure mattchew is actually more likely to be scum?


I haven't really found gonzaw scummy all game until today, and most of that was because of his early play after Risen claimed cop.

I did, however, think Mattchew was scummy yesterday, and nothing he did today made him look more townie.

I still think you are tied in with him too hard because he's been buddying you and copied your reads.

Wow this is so scummy


How?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 22:03 GMT
#1513
Thank fucking goodness.

I'm wary as fuck of sciberbia right now.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 22:10 GMT
#1528
On July 20 2012 07:07 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 07:04 s0Lstice wrote:
Risen is not confirmed town. stop that

Yes, yes, I threw my partner under the bus at the last second even though I could have no lynched. URIGHT


Is that so impossible to do? Buy yourself some town cred, and all.

However, there's no way in hell you get lynched tomorrow, and probably not the day after. If you live that long, you are a person to be looked at again.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 22:12 GMT
#1531
On July 20 2012 07:08 gonzaw wrote:
Hye S&B!

Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 20:39 strongandbig wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:28 gonzaw wrote:
Framers only frame townies to get a red check (never heard of framers being able to frame their own buddies to get them to check "town"...that's what Godfathers do).



This is egregious. Every time a framer has been mentioned in a thread since I've started playing TL mafia, someone has mentioned the possibility of framing their teammates; there's no reason to assume the opposite so blithely.

It's just, like, enough is enough - at a certain point we have to assume that this is malicious. I just can't decide what the odds are that Gonzaw would actually do as much work as he is claiming and posting without even reading the OP.


Do you plan on backing up this statement now? I'd like you to convince me there is a Framer that can get a buddy of his to turn green to a check, if you know what I mean


I'm not really sure where you're going with this?

WBG came into the thread and said framers can do both, but can't self-target.

If Risen is cop, then S&B and s0lstice are 100% clean.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 22:14 GMT
#1535
EBWOP: Wait...

S&B && S0lstice 100% confirmed town, UNLESS Risen is a townie fake claiming cop.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 22:15 GMT
#1539
On July 20 2012 07:14 gonzaw wrote:
Can Framers frame a scumbuddy so cop checks on him come back green?

I'd like wbg to answer this question now (if he can) since it can confirm 2 townies to us 100% (solstice+S&B)


He already did.
On July 20 2012 06:35 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 04:43 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: Formatting.

WBG: can we get an updated vote count? And clarification on the Framer role (Can he make teammates return green to cop checks, or only make townies return red? And if he can make teammates return green, can he target himself?), please.


Framer can do both. He cannot target himself.

My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 22:17 GMT
#1544
On July 20 2012 07:16 gonzaw wrote:
Oh nevermind, I guess we can't have confirmed townies then

...UNLESS THE FUCKING MASON CLAIMED!!!!


ARGHGHGHHGG

What. Yes we can.

Matt was a GOON. That means if the last scum is a framer, they couldnt target themselves.

So there are 2 options:

1) Risen is a cop, and both of his checks are legit.

2) Risen is the 3rd mafia.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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