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I don't like it at all that Risen hasn't shown up, he even promised to show up here:
On July 13 2012 08:42 Risen wrote:
Hey so I'm driving to vegas atm and then working out once I'm there. Sorry I dropped off the map. My vote won't be staying where it is. Reading while driving is stupid but from what I've scanned austin looks sketchy as shit with his town read on me. I'll be more thorough tonight when I'm able to sot down and read. Afaik we have a good day and a half left right? Or is it just a day
...but damn, there's something that doesn't make me comfortable with lynching him 
I don't really know how to explain it, but I actually think his "I don't like making reads right now" post may work in his favour (mostly because of the way he said it, like I don't think he'd say that if he was scum the way he did it at that point in time).
But it's damn hard to figure out if he's town or scum (for now I kind of feel about him what I felt about Greymist in the MTG game, he could go either way, did "scummy" things but some tiny teeny things give me a gut town tell).
I wouldn't oppose his lynch as a talis/Vivax/solstice lynch, but I'm not that comfortable with it, or rather I don't really feel confident in it at this point (although its D1 so maybe it's the best thing to do anyways).
However I don't like that above post at all, but it's possible he's just late or something.
I agree with marv that Keirath has not been involved in anything since a long time. I did notice some "townie" stuff he might have done (calling Dropbear out for calling him town, coming out of nowhere to defend Milton); but I get a more "noob scum" feel from the rest of his post (differently than other players like solstice for instance, where I get a "noob town" feel from their post but may have done some little "scummy" stuff), so I don't really take those into account.
Hmm, I think I'll keep my vote on Keirath for now, him doing nothing since posting those reads like a day ago doesn't convince me to unvote him.
@VIvax:
I'll post more about Keirathi and Dropbear soon, they offer quite interesting connections. Gonna try to interprete Dropbears mistake and draw conclusions.
Since lynch time is closing in pretty fast I'd like those opinions soon, also on Risen as well.
On July 14 2012 02:43 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target. He posted 1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck. 2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy. My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here. 3. On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.
Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing: On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players. still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali. He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him. I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense. I'll defend Milton for you  He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started. Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play. In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much? There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations. Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter. You should be less obvious in defending your buddy. SCUM TEAM
Vivax
talismania gonzaw, scum don't usually do this. so i don't want to vote dropbear.
Scum don't usually defend other guys and accuse people....?
Could you be a little bit more specific?
What about the rest of his posts?
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On July 14 2012 03:14 Vivax wrote:Thanks for reminding me, gonzaw. I'll start with an exquisite collection of quotes from various filters: Starting with My top scumread, Risen+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2012 10:38 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 10:34 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 10:00 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early. Thank you captain obvious. Instead of posting tautologies, do you have an opinion on said subject? (i.e do you think I'm extremely eager townie or do you think I'm scum looking for easy targets to push?) In hindsight this came out more aggressive than I meant it :/ It's cool. It's nothing compared to what I handled from igrok my last game. Anywho, I was just pointing out I found it odd you would try and push people onto "lurkers" so early on. I don't think anything about you. There's nothing to go on right now. I don't think that post was in your favor, though. Written in 8th page of the game, when there was a fair bit of discussion already going on. He just tried to not attack gonzaw after trying to discredit gonz's previous post, enemies are bad for scum players. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2012 15:18 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 15:14 sciberbia wrote:
@keirathi, @Dropbear, @Risen
Do you guys have any suspicions yet? Maybe you could comment on my post about risen/marv or about gonzaw's accusations of risen/strongandbig/Mattchew? This thread is too quiet for my liking -- please share some of your thoughts. I think it's too early for anything. I don't really like to make reads without any connections (this might be a bad thing to do). I just think it's easier for me to make cases when I consider people as members of a team, not as individual scum members. More apologies for not doing anything in the 9th page of the game. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2012 15:22 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: He could also just be a townie doing pro-town things. This is the most likely option. He wrote this about....Drooopbear.When? After writing this: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2012 15:22 Risen wrote:
For example: this could be DropBear bussing/giving his teammate a way to backtrack on his plan or it could be scum calling out a townie. I'm not saying I even have a scumread on drop as he seems to want a pro-town environment, which is something I'm all for, but this is something that could be used to confirm a connection in my mind at a later point in time. We have a scumslip, gentlemen. It's obviously normal that you first list the scum options for a player when your actual opinion of him is that he's town. This is an argument-intention inconsistency I spoke about before. It wouldn't happen to a townie intending to conclude with his belief that the player is actually town. He actually noticed it too late, adding the town option in the following post.
##Unvote
##Vote Risen
What about Dropbear and Keirathi?
On July 14 2012 03:49 sciberbia wrote:
I find the cases against Risen unconvincing. Sure he hasn't posted all that much, but is that really alignment indicative? I see it as much more of a busytell than a scumtell.
Also, does anybody else not like how Vivax went from 0 to 60 on Risen just as the bandwaggon on Risen was gathering steam? I'm really not sure if I find Vivax or Keirathi more suspicious right now.
This raised some alarms to me as well.
I'm not that sure about Vivax being town (even though I said he wasn't likely scum because of him being too cheerful early on :/).
I'm not that sure about talis either since I'd expect him to be more invested in discussions instead of accusing Dropbear and disappearing.
I still think Keirathi is scummy...although some stuff (like that last post where he urges Dropbear to reconsider Vivax being scum) made me doubt that.
Well, I'm going away and I'll be back 1 hour before the deadline, hopefully I can make up my mind by then.
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Okay I'm back
Fuck I don't know if I have the time to reread all these last few pages.
Very quickly: Is the voting close or not? Is NL already set (as I imagined it would) or is there a candidate for lynch?
Is my vote needed right now? Because if so I'll skim these pages very quickly instead of reading them thoroughly
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On July 14 2012 06:37 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:36 gonzaw wrote:
Okay I'm back
Fuck I don't know if I have the time to reread all these last few pages.
Very quickly: Is the voting close or not? Is NL already set (as I imagined it would) or is there a candidate for lynch?
Is my vote needed right now? Because if so I'll skim these pages very quickly instead of reading them thoroughly Yes it is. Go read my case on Vivax. Then go read the case on DropBear. Choose who you find scummier and vote. Here is votecount as it stands. Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:34 Risen wrote:On July 14 2012 06:27 Risen wrote:
DropBear(3)
talismania
Miltonkram
Keirathi
Vivax(3)
Risen
sciberbia
DropBear
keirathi(2)
strongandbig
gonzaw
s0Lstice(2)
strongandbig
austinmcc
Risen(2)
Vivax
s0Lstice
austinmcc(1)
marvellosity
sciberbia(1)
Mattchew
From high votes to low.
I thought this was majority lynch...?
Or is it plurality lynch?
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Can keirathi still be lynched?
Also wtf marv and mattchew are still voting solstice/sciberbia? Or is that vote count outdated?
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On July 14 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote:
There's 20 minutes to deadline and you make a fucking post asking taht when you can just read the OP? Get a grip
It's majority
It stoke me some doubt since Risen was all "vote Vivax/Dropbear" which made me think it may have been a plurality lynch.
If it's majority then sorry to tell you but we'll NL if things keep up like this.
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On July 14 2012 06:41 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:40 gonzaw wrote:
Can keirathi still be lynched?
Also wtf marv and mattchew are still voting solstice/sciberbia? Or is that vote count outdated? Marv is on austin. Look at my posted vote count!
Yeah sorry I was in a hurry and saw "solstice(2)" and thought marv was one of them.
Shit.
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On July 14 2012 06:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:42 gonzaw wrote:On July 14 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote:
There's 20 minutes to deadline and you make a fucking post asking taht when you can just read the OP? Get a grip
It's majority It stoke me some doubt since Risen was all "vote Vivax/Dropbear" which made me think it may have been a plurality lynch. If it's majority then sorry to tell you but we'll NL if things keep up like this. Yes AND YOU HAVEN'T VOTED What's wrong with you???
What the hell is wrong with you marv? Get off my back and stop nitpicking everything I say.
I already voted Keirathi.
Shit I don't have time to read the thread, I just skimmed and saw some posts from Vivax and at least he seemed active (didn't read its content), but Dropbear isn't even here.
Fuck it I hate majority lynches, but here it goes:
##Unvote: Keirathi
##Vote: Dropbear
Hopefully I reread the thread quickly before the lynch but I doubt it.
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This is fucking balls, I don't want a NL at all costs, but I doubt Dropbear will get more votes
I kind of want to lynch S&B to be honest, I've skimmed these last few pages and he just wasn't active in conversations at all even when active and just posted
ARg fucking hell
On July 14 2012 06:50 Risen wrote:
Gonzaw comes in with a scummy as shit post trying to save Viv, but it's not looking likely!
Vivax 6, DropBear 5! THIS IS IT FOLKS!
And you get off my fucking back this is not easy, I have to blindly vote one of those 2 without even reading what they posted
Well fuck this shit if Vivax flips town it should be a monument of how shitty this day seems
##Unvote: Dropbear
##Vote: Vivax
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Fuck fuck fuck
Let me check a post I saw that sums up my thoughts exactly
On July 14 2012 05:11 marvellosity wrote:
oh god I've never been this unsure on day 1 of where to shove my vote (normally at least there's someone easy!). Just read the thread since I left and it's very confusing. Gonna have a dash through the filters and see what I can find.
This, so much this.
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Vivax may very well flip town, but fuck a NL is bad as shit (I don't care if I'm "scummy" because of this it's the truth).
Well, might as well start reading the thread after all.
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There are 2 minutes left, if someone changes their vote to Dropbear I think I'll change it as well.
I wish there was more time
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Well fuck this shit whatever
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Mattchew fuck you, your vote is still on sciberbia
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What a shitty day.
Only Vivax flipping scum would lighten it up but I doubt it at this point, specially since S&B/Keriathi/etc all voted Vivax without much incentive (at least from what I read, maybe I missed something when I skimmed it)
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On July 14 2012 07:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 07:07 Risen wrote:On July 14 2012 07:05 gonzaw wrote:
What a shitty day.
Only Vivax flipping scum would lighten it up but I doubt it at this point, specially since S&B/Keriathi/etc all voted Vivax without much incentive (at least from what I read, maybe I missed something when I skimmed it) You think you'll feel bad? I'm probably going to die if Viv flips town to a vig shot.... Oh hello, LIII.
lol.
I'll lol if both Dropbear+Vivax are town, and then I'm accused of "doing a Risen" by changing the lynch from Dropbear to Vivax 
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Hmm, I'm getting the feeling you are town Risen, you are too invested in the game and really care about the lynch, and you are very active at it and act too "cool" around it.
Don't know what Vivax was saying about you being scum, might need to reread.
But to be honest these last few minutes tired me, I'll wait for the flip and rest a little bit before rereading the thread from where I left off.
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Nobody is talking now?
This whole late-D1 stressed the hell out of me, christ.
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