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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 13:41 GMT
#194
Matt, while you're here - what do you make of gonzaw? He seems to be making stuff out of nothing, but it could just be provoking conversation.

I guess normally at the start of day 1 he has setup shit to ramble on about, which he does not here.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 13:45 GMT
#196
If you're interested, check out Liar where he was scum. Incredibly verbose there too
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 13:49 GMT
#198
That's gonzaw for you. Speculatively I'd say he was one of those players you're probably only going to be able to catch later on when you can piece together his actions/motivations.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 14:24 GMT
#201
totally null on the first, 2nd just indicates he's never bothered to read and understand OPs before, gonzaw's clever enough to use that trickery if he wanted
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 14:32 GMT
#203
The first one is actually kinda annoying, the question about numbers of scum/SK has already been asked about and clarified by host in-thread.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 14:34 GMT
#204
On July 12 2012 13:48 NoSmurfHere wrote:

Show nested quote +

What numbers of mafs are there potentially? iirc 2 or 3 are only possible mafia counts in C9++ and 3 is more likely. Is it the same here?


Yes.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 14:35 GMT
#206
On July 12 2012 04:17 NoSmurfHere wrote:

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 04:09 austinmcc wrote:
Can we know what system you're using to roll the setup?


It's loosely based on this:

Click for C9++ Wiki page

However many of the roll chances have been modified to reflect the strength of town usage of power roles on TL being greater than on mafiascum. I.E, the chances for vigilante and mason in particular are drastically reduced while the chance for roleblocker is increased.

Also the mafia determiner has been changed to include framers and reduces the possibility of a 2 man scumteam (though that is still possible)

At some point if I am convinced that my determiner is balanced I will release it. However I've been tweaking it game to game and examining all the setups that it generates. Luckily I haven't had to throw one out yet so chances are strong that almost any version of the randomizer I've used is reasonably balanced. I just want to find the most balanced one for use on TL.



and also this

sorry, should have consolidated my last couple of posts
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 14:52 GMT
#209
yes, gonzaw is ballsy

In a game full of TL Mafia's best players he led the PM "town circle" as scum in Liar Mafia
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 14:59 GMT
#211
yea, i kno rite <3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 15:02 GMT
#213
It could have been a cunning scum plan :<

While you're here, any early suspicions, given your eagerness to get people to post their thoughts?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 15:26 GMT
#218
On July 13 2012 00:14 talismania wrote:
@marv I'm putting together a compendium of the reaction posts so I can look at them altogether. From skimming this morning from where I left off yesterday nothing really stuck out. Actually that's a lie - first I thought austin's response was scummy because it just aped what you and matt had said. But then like literally all these other players I've never played with said the exact same thing as he did with similar looking/composed posts.

@matt what about you? You shit on it just like everyone else.


that's the problem when a plan is so obviously bad... everyone wants to shit on it, so it's hard to gauge varied reactions when they're bound to all be similar
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 15:49 GMT
#222
i explained why it was bad as well mattchew. get over yourself :>>

"People shouldn't be 'forced' to make effort, the making of the effort willingly is what helps gives us our reads on people."
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 15:57 GMT
#225
Having a quick flick through a few filters, Keirathi comes across as sounding incredibly neutral.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 16:40 GMT
#235
On July 13 2012 01:34 talismania wrote:
I said in my first post "If roleblocker does exist but doesn't want to come out then I kindly request he not use his power at all until it makes sense." I mean that. I mean don't use it unless it makes sense, which means probably don't use it early on.


Ah yes. As opposed to the roleblocker using his power when it doesn't make sense.

Fun thought game: when someone proposes not doing something, consider the opposite that he is proposing against.

"Don't do x stupidly!"
"thank god! I was thinking of doing it stupidly"

"Don't lynch townies!"
"gosh, that's where my thinking was wrong!"

"Don't use roleblocker unless it makes sense!"
"wow! I was thinking of using it willy nilly for no good reason!"

Generic advice-giving with no real purpose as the opposite case is silly anyway. No?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 16:46 GMT
#238
Katina blocked SK KP night 1 in Emergency.

I think RBer (should we have one) should use his RB role how he sees fit rather than listen to general advices about it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 16:56 GMT
#243
Early leader in the scummy stakes: Vivax.

Let's talk about metaaaaaaa.

On July 12 2012 18:30 Vivax wrote:

Speaking of meta, sciberbia doesn't look good based on that.I was with him in two games and I feel like he's being different in this one.
s0lstice already pointed out the missing fast posts we're used to see from scib at the start of the game.

That alone is forgivable given the posted reasons. But the overall gut feeling is still bad cause of the overall style.


Vivax says sciberbia doesn't look good for meta, also quotes s0lstices meta reason on scib. Gut feeling/overall style, more talking about meta.

On July 13 2012 01:49 Vivax wrote:

No, he doesn't have to be townie.
But I initially voted for him cause he didn't post anything, then he posted the metagame info and I found it good enough to unvote him.

I remember sciberbia for more concise, compact posts, and I remember him posting really early. He already explained why he didn't post early in this game, so what remains are the posts that subjectively look different to me. But I prefer to not rely heavily on meta, my play changes often aswell and I don't have as much experience.


Anyway, I don't like Matt's filter, it looks like he posts rather meaningless content, no active scumhunting in it, rather commenting on what other players already said.

He also acts a little differently than in LVI.


Reason for unvoting strongandbig: because he talked about meta. Then talks more about sciberbia's meta. Later in the post he talks about Matt's meta.

But in the middle of this post he says "but I prefer to not rely heavily on meta". That's literally all he's posted about! Scummy contradiction, heyo!

##Vote: Vivax
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 17:00 GMT
#246
<3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 17:05 GMT
#249
I don't vote someone for being themselves.

See LVI where I did not vote Vivax.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 17:18 GMT
#251
How would you say Matt is acting differently to LVI?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 17:52 GMT
#255
On July 13 2012 02:46 Vivax wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514&user=129423

Matt's filter in LVI.

You accused me of using too much meta, so feel free to read and quote it for yourself.
Weird that you asked about it cause you were in the same game.


That's not how it works. You claim he is posting differently. Now explain it to me and the rest of the thread.
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