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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 18:21 GMT
#264
On July 13 2012 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 03:18 Mattchew wrote:
On July 13 2012 02:52 marvellosity wrote:
On July 13 2012 02:43 Mattchew wrote:
Marv I want to disagree with you so bad, but I was wrong about something JUST LIKE this is MTG mafia... hmm

I don't like the way sciberbia has been posting... it all seems forced as hell like the way he says

On July 12 2012 13:31 sciberbia wrote:
gonzaw asked for some thoughts on Risen, strongandbig, and Mattchew. Obviously there is not much to go on yet, but here are my thoughts so far


He clarifies that he's only saying this cause gonzaw asked, kinda reads to me like hes paranoid about not answering a question in the thread


What do you want to disagree with?

your read on vivax


What's to disagree with? I mean, you might not think he's scum, but what I wrote was true... bangs on about meta, says he doesn't want to rely on meta.

Yes I disagree that he's scum. But its similar to Zealos, and I was wrong there. I wasn't disagreeing with your content just your conclusion
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 18:27 GMT
#266
On July 13 2012 03:23 marvellosity wrote:
What do you see in Vivax that makes you think he might be town?

his effort and his not giving a fuck style
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 18:28 GMT
#267
EBWOP not giving a fuck who he pisses off style
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 19:02 GMT
#272
On July 13 2012 03:37 talismania wrote:
it's half-assed because of the form it took. what I've pushed before is "everyone make case" or "everyone list impressions" and the like. I was trying to think of a way to beat the day one doldrums somewhat and thought of that on the spot and posted it. I figured no one would agree to it but at the very least it would stir the pot.

are you actively lurking or is it a coincidence that you respond quickly when you are mentioned and then are quiet in other times
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 19:55 GMT
#278
The moment you think marv is scum, is the moment you should realize hes town.

Also, marv and gonz, what do you think of scib
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 21:04 GMT
#291
On July 13 2012 06:00 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 04:02 Mattchew wrote:
On July 13 2012 03:37 talismania wrote:
it's half-assed because of the form it took. what I've pushed before is "everyone make case" or "everyone list impressions" and the like. I was trying to think of a way to beat the day one doldrums somewhat and thought of that on the spot and posted it. I figured no one would agree to it but at the very least it would stir the pot.

are you actively lurking or is it a coincidence that you respond quickly when you are mentioned and then are quiet in other times


Err what?

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On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax


the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said?



Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 03:04 talismania wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
if you mean this

On July 13 2012 01:39 DropBear wrote:
Vivax I am very confused as the reasoning behind your voting so far. Why did you choose strongandbig initially?

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 18:30 Vivax wrote:
@ NSH

It's cause of a habit. I just tend to expect links in underlined words <_<.

Back to the topic:

##unvote strongandbig
Very informative post about marv there.

Wanted to vote Milton next but he posted.
He tries to make himself pretty transparent by posting his games. It's a good sign, but nothing decisive.

Speaking of meta, sciberbia doesn't look good based on that.I was with him in two games and I feel like he's being different in this one.
s0lstice already pointed out the missing fast posts we're used to see from scib at the start of the game.

That alone is forgivable given the posted reasons. But the overall gut feeling is still bad cause of the overall style.


What do you mean by an informative post? Cos he made a case he must be town or something?

What are the differences in sciberbia you talk about?



then I don't see you calling him suspicious, but just asking him questions. Implied suspicion I'll give you, but not calling him out as being suspicious by any means.

Also good to know you're just as angry as in bastard 2 :-)


Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 03:37 talismania wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
it's half-assed because of the form it took. what I've pushed before is "everyone make case" or "everyone list impressions" and the like. I was trying to think of a way to beat the day one doldrums somewhat and thought of that on the spot and posted it. I figured no one would agree to it but at the very least it would stir the pot.


Those posts are reasonably close together, and his response to me was the only one where he had been mentioned. Granted, its just the last 3 posts in his filter before you made this accusation, but it seems like a pretty baseless accusation.

Pre-Post edit: sorry I'm replying to this late. I've been working through the 75 posts that were made while I was asleep/at work making notes.

it was a gut-feel, knee-jerk post... just poking at him cause I felt that way
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 22:05 GMT
#299
Gonzaw I strongly (pun intended) believe the strong is town and I do not want to lynch him today. He says stupid stuff, like "Sorry bro, but that's kind of the nature of the game I guess - any post could be made either by scum or by town? " but he also posts about his gut reads, which while they can be faked, I don't think he did. I think gut reads are very townie
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 22:13 GMT
#300
Lets kill talis, Keirathi or scib

Talis cause he's proposing anti town plans and then backpeddling super fast

Keirathi cause he's posting super carefully, and his reads seem forced

scib cause he seems hesitant to post, and he posts this (it was spoilered)
Obviously, we should be lynching every day until we have good reason not to. I will push to get my scumreads lynched, but I will prefer any lynch to a No-Lynch.

I'm not a big fan of lynching lurkers. Obviously, lurking hurts town, but I don't think lurking is all that alignment-indicative. Seeing as our goal is to lynch scum, I will only give slight preference to lynching the lurker over the active player, everything else being even.

as he has not pushed a single read yet
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 22:13 GMT
#301
##vote sciberbia
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 22:43 GMT
#303
On July 13 2012 07:24 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 07:13 Mattchew wrote:
Keirathi cause he's posting super carefully, and his reads seem forced


Thats because they were kind of forced. I was specifically asked to make reads, so I responded with the two single scummiest things I've noticed.

But I have a method to the way I play this game. Take a look at this. I take notes like this for a reason: so I can recognize patterns in people's play, rather than harping on one or two scummy things they've done. That's why I'm hesitant to make hard reads early.

So you know that you do this as town, whats to stop you from doing so as scum?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 13 2012 00:06 GMT
#322
@bowling, drinking lots, if i do post it will be drunk

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 13 2012 15:35 GMT
#379
On July 13 2012 16:52 Keirathi wrote:
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On July 13 2012 16:46 DropBear wrote:
I want to firmly stand by Keirathi, he is one of my strongest town reads right now.


Err, what?

How do you have a town read on me when literally everyone else has a scum read?

SO TOWNIE IT HURTS

still reading
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 13 2012 16:57 GMT
#395
On July 14 2012 01:33 gonzaw wrote:
Ehmm...is it me or does the day END IN FREAKING 5 HOURS!!!!??


Seriously people, these votes are a mess, there are 6 people with votes on them and the guy with most votes has 3 (marv will you keep your vote on solstice?).

So please people consolidate the votes unless you want:
1)A NL
2)A rushed last-minute wagon on someone (to prevent NL) that will most likely end up being town.


I already said I think Keirath is scum and should be today's lynch. But I wouldn't mind a Dropbear lynch either (because of reasons stated earlier).

In mind with S&B's recent posting I wouldn't mind his lynch either, I don't like how he sporadically comes into the thread to shit things up and doesn't seem to care about being part of any discussion.

At least I want some freaking discussion about the lynch.

Is anyone else voting dropbear?

yet you want consolidation?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 13 2012 16:57 GMT
#396
woops talis posted in your style, thought that was you
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 13 2012 17:18 GMT
#407
I am going to sheep marv, on solistice most likely
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 13 2012 17:43 GMT
#415
On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:
I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target.

He posted

1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck.

2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy.

My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here.

3.
On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.


Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing:

On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players.


still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali.

He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him.

I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense.

I'll defend Milton for you

He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started.

Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play.

In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much?

There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations.

Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter.

You should be less obvious in defending your buddy.

SCUM TEAM

Vivax
talismania


gonzaw, scum don't usually do this. so i don't want to vote dropbear.


There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 13 2012 18:17 GMT
#424
On July 14 2012 03:10 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 03:00 DropBear wrote:
On July 14 2012 02:18 Mattchew wrote:
I am going to sheep marv, on solistice most likely

Is there any particular reason for this?

Actually, I'm wondering this as well, specifically, why is marv your choice?

town read and he's smart

gonz is town too imo but his day 1 reads are usually meh at best no offense
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 13 2012 18:30 GMT
#425
On July 14 2012 02:49 gonzaw wrote:

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 02:43 Mattchew wrote:
On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:
On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:
I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target.

He posted

1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck.

2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy.

My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here.

3.
On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.


Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing:

On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players.


still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali.

He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him.

I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense.

I'll defend Milton for you

He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started.

Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play.

In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much?

There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations.

Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter.

You should be less obvious in defending your buddy.

SCUM TEAM

Vivax
talismania


gonzaw, scum don't usually do this. so i don't want to vote dropbear.


Scum don't usually defend other guys and accuse people....?
Could you be a little bit more specific?
What about the rest of his posts?

Scum don't usually defend people with good reasoning, like i think drop did.
Also, he is aggressive and willing to take on the loudest person here (you) which means he's not afraid of the attention, another thing scum is unlikely to do
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 13 2012 18:30 GMT
#426
Imma read into risen now
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 13 2012 19:57 GMT
#457
how much time till lynch
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