Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 16 2012 18:03 syllogism wrote:

Sinani? Who is that? Which discussion?

On July 16 2012 18:11 syllogism wrote:

Really? That's the last person I would expect him to be, how do you figure? Anyway, you don't usually mind role playing (or trolling? which is it?) so do you just have a problem with sinani in particular doing that?

On July 16 2012 20:50 marvellosity wrote:


What's the supposed benefit? Mafia manipulation of the lynch (by dint of their large numbers) would be at an absolute minimum due to the fact they don't know who each other are.

And, more importantly, I've only been lynched once before and I don't plan the 2nd time to be a random lynch D:

On July 17 2012 02:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Palmar since you're here you and I are going to play a lighting round.

Marvellosity
Blazinghand
Rastaban
Supersoft

Scum or town, go.

On July 17 2012 02:27 syllogism wrote:

Do you honestly agree? Be very honest. Also, what is the nice catch you are referring to?

On July 17 2012 04:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm going out, be back in a few hours.

If Palmar shows his face hold his feet in the fire until he answers my post.

On July 17 2012 23:19 syllogism wrote:
Palmar do you seriously think I'm mafia?

On July 17 2012 23:15 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar why do you think BH is town?

On July 17 2012 23:21 syllogism wrote:
Well you are bad at mafia then

On July 17 2012 23:26 rastaban wrote:

Don't you think though as town he would have blocked the one on RoL when he learned Kurumi was mafia?

On July 17 2012 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
Ok. Why are you voting Kurumi when he's getting nuked?

On July 18 2012 00:55 sandroba wrote:


You've said that already, but why????

On July 18 2012 04:43 syllogism wrote:

Hey Palmar if you are town, wouldn't you also be "reviewing" any judgements I make in this scenario of yours? By the way you still haven't told me why you think I'm mafia, which is quite suspicious given that you wouldn't push to lynch me lightly on day 1.

On July 18 2012 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Do you think Layabout is scum? If so, why aren't you voting him with me, your strongest town-read?

On July 18 2012 05:36 HiroPro wrote:
Palmar, do you still have a null read on austin?

On July 18 2012 06:12 Bill Murray wrote:

yeah, since i've posted sooo much for you to get a read on
if you're pushing a d1 policy lynch that's just ridiculous
policy =/= alignment

On July 18 2012 08:36 Probulous wrote:


I'd be much happier with a Gonzaw lynch.

On July 18 2012 10:35 layabout wrote:
Not game relevant:

I think i am going to take a break from TL mafia. I had looked forward to this game for some time but now it's happening i can't bring myself to care. At some point during the last game something inside just snapped. There were a number of reasons for it and i was going to make a thread but then real life kicked in and i haven't had the time. Yesterday was my first day back to myself and i spent most of it away from my computer and most of my computer time on Blacklight: Retibution.

In spite of this i hate nothing more than asshats that don't play or people that are exempt from trying/playing because "It's player soandso" so i will try.

After i die i will bugger off.

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I began writing a long post but i am tired and it reads like dogpoo.

Following sandro since the last time... well it worked out pretty well for town.
##vote gonzaw

I am not sure how he can think that both foolishness and syllogism are scum. He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint.

On July 19 2012 07:08 syllogism wrote:

Assuming? Sounds off for town palmar. The rest of this post too. You have been pretty distant for someone who should consider sandroba 100% confirmed town by now and me close to that (to you).

On July 17 2012 23:26 Palmar wrote:
Well prove you're not. I admit, there is not much to do other than lynch kurumi at the moment, and I also know that if I'm right you've been pushed into a very uncomfortable position due to sandroba's status atm. Any judgements you make will be reviewed by sandroba who is almost guaranteed to be town.

On July 19 2012 08:21 syllogism wrote:
Pretty sure palmar is mafia as well. Some of his posts are very reasonable and I even agree with the a lot of content, but his tone and attitude is off. He is also putting in as little effort as possible and basically ignoring me and sandroba despite even at one point calling sandroba confirmed town. Yes this is a very lazy "case" and he probably won't be a lynch candidate tomorrow.

On July 18 2012 09:26 Katina wrote:
bugs, you should really know better than to try to switch the vote train off of two people who were discussed at in length. You have caused a shitstorm now, and the votes aren't any better than they were 24 hours ago. The people voting for austin at this point:

supersoft
wherebugsgo
Bill Murray
sandroba
syllogism
risk.nuke
gonzaw

Looks like a pretty good mafia list. I wouldn't mind 4 or 5 of you dying.

On July 19 2012 12:20 Katina wrote:


It doesn't matter if your vote was stolen, just vote.

Why would we give up an easy kill? It will narrow down the scum count, that's what we need to win as town. If Kurumi doesn't die people are just going to derp around and be unfocused because he IS still alive. With him dead that's one less distraction and we can focus on the other scum such as:

Mattchew
Foolishness
Palmar
Blazinghand
Syllogism
Bill Murrary

On July 20 2012 00:23 HiroPro wrote:
Palmar, you don't think gonzaw's behavior can be explained by him simply having not enough time? What he's done this game is pretty different from what I would expect as his scum play - you were in Liar Game. He was a fairly dominant person in that game also even as scum.

On July 20 2012 00:24 syllogism wrote:
Haha Palmar nice try, lets ask what sandroba thinks about that post of yours I was referring. He thinks you are mafia as well, but you are of course ignoring him because discrediting him isn't actually possible

On July 20 2012 00:30 syllogism wrote:
Palmar while you are here, explain, in your own words. Why you think BM is mafia

On July 20 2012 20:05 Kurumi wrote:
By the way I'd rather you see me as town in your plans of people being linked, so you know where to go from there when I flip >_>
Sandroba isn't scum... But presence of two messengers (I think?) makes me uneasy.
Sandroba, I am going to ask you that question again.

How did you know that Sandroba?

On July 20 2012 23:56 risk.nuke wrote:

Does anyone think this makes sense.

On July 20 2012 20:30 Palmar wrote:
@Bill Murray, your stance on the Kurumi/Sandroba thing is insane.

Knowing scum has to eliminate every single town, and town has to eliminate every single scum, you can make the argument that kurumi was extremely smart and understood that at some point in the game it might be beneficial if scum thinks you're scum, might even save an otherwise lost game.

However, that's stretching it alot, and assuming Kurumi knew about this rule before someone posted it, (I didn't) and was capable of recognizing the possible strength of such a position. Obviously sandroba being town fucked completely with whatever plan he might've had if he was town.

However, the simple solution is kurumi fell for a trap and is scum.

Which is why we hang him. The simple solution is usually right.

On July 22 2012 00:54 supersoft wrote:
palmar, respond on the issue i raised about your activitylvl.
We are going to reach a point of time in the game where i need some informations.

On July 22 2012 02:26 Katina wrote:
Why do you think I should be shot? You have yet to give any reasons to why you think I'm Mafia. You have done close to nothing this game besides popping in every now and then, and giving a brief hit and run then off again. You know who is known for hit and runs? Mafia, have you not seen the old Mafia movies??. Your uselessness this game has astounded me.

The same goes for Mattchew as well. Lack of contribution or care for find Mafia, close to no reads with almost no explanation or reasoning.

On July 20 2012 00:20 Palmar wrote:
I'm also reconsidering my stance on Katina being scum. I assumed she must be town because of how confrontational she was with me and foolishness. But for some reason she seemed to think Bugs was scum at one point (other most likely wrong reads in that list include supersoft and of course sandroba wtf.)

I have a hard time believing even she could be this wrong.

Also, I'm not included in that list. At the time I was active in the thread and there wasn't much interest in attacking me. I wonder if she forgot about me, or left me out due to popular opinion:



Looks like she remembered me later though, and funny enough, she remembered me at a time where I was not active in the thread at all, however, due to syllo's accusations, a few people had entertained the idea of me being scum.

perfect opportunity to slide me back into her suspicion list.



At least she fixed sandroba out this time. Popular opinion important right?

On July 22 2012 03:32 supersoft wrote:
ah very well. Palmar do youi have any powers?

On July 20 2012 07:34 sandroba wrote:
Man this is fun.

I messaged Zealos yesterday before the day post. He never revealed he got pm. I just got confirmation that the pm was sent and Zealos has posted twice since then. So yeah fun times.

On July 21 2012 03:36 sandroba wrote:
My PM to zealos actually started like this: No rest for the wicked. Don't trust any message that doesn't start with this phrase.
Which he omitted when he claimed the message. I thought it was a pretty obvious mafia message.

On July 23 2012 21:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Q: Palmar can you pardon yourself?

On July 23 2012 23:16 supersoft wrote:


the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous